Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , Insight <insight@> wrote: > > > > Tony: Namaste,IMHO, > > And the truth is 'it never happened', no personal God doing > anything, helping anybody. Inexplicably whilst being non realised > we see the son of a barren mother, whether this means other beings as > Devas can help--I don't know. > > > Joyce: What's " it " ? For there to be > an it there has to be something in mind to > negate - so your position is to establish > something, this " it " , create it, make it exist, > and then negate " it " - > > > Tony: I know one thing for sure, > there is no God guiding anything. The quicker people wake up to that and > take > personal responsibility the better off they will be. Prayers only > soothe the mind of the person praying they have nowhere to go. If > there is any idea of 'God' it is karma within illusion only..Tony. > > Joyce: You're making a statement of certainty - > a nice antidote to the uncertainty of I don't > know which is uncomfortable. To be honest, you can't know > for sure there is/isn't > any force folks call " god " because you don't know the full picture > - I have never met/read anything > by/ anyone who does (which I find very inrtiguing) > - just statements of certainty or > uncertainty about trivia, mostly learned from somewhere. > If one is in a dour mood, feeling somewhat cynical, then > there is no-god...or if one is feeling somewhat ecstatic, > then its possible to be Gods Best Friend - depends on the > mood or, hope and fear. > > > Tony: I would regard it as a negation of all mind and all bullshit as > opposed to 'solid all the way down' bedrock truth....... > > Joyce: Condemnation/petulance isn't negation - you can only > negate what you establish so you'd first have to > establish the existence of mind > (you're doing well with the bullshit:-) > > > I'd put you, along with Eric, in the > Fundamentalists Camp :-) > Namaste Joyce, You are an interesting case presuming you believe in the soothing fairy tale that there is a 'God' somewhere doing something, like listening to your prayers and problems. So once you have decided this fundamental delusion, you then make rules about it. So anyone who negates it is a fundamentalist. To be a fundamentalist one has to believe in something fundamental. I am the opposite to that I don't believe at all!!There is no foundation or building block to me at all. For all this talk of attachments, ideas, not being attached, all attributes belong to a mind that ultimately never happened. The only thing I will concede in this delusionary illusion is that the karma plays a role in our lives and what people call 'God' is just Prarabda Karma. And to do that I have to extend a certain amount of validity to the barren woman's son.......That's all..... Now there is an unbecoming an unborn as Buddha would say and that is the concept of inexplicability or NirGuna-NirVana. True Buddhists mainly of the Theravada type do not believe in a Personal God even today....ONS..Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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