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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

GuruRatings , Insight <insight@> wrote:

>

>

> > Tony: Namaste,IMHO,

>

> And the truth is 'it never happened', no personal God doing

> anything, helping anybody. Inexplicably whilst being non realised

> we see the son of a barren mother, whether this means other beings

as

> Devas can help--I don't know.

>

>

> Joyce: What's " it " ? For there to be

> an it there has to be something in mind to

> negate - so your position is to establish

> something, this " it " , create it, make it exist,

> and then negate " it " -

>

>

> Tony: I know one thing for sure,

> there is no God guiding anything. The quicker people wake up to

that and

> take

> personal responsibility the better off they will be. Prayers only

> soothe the mind of the person praying they have nowhere to go. If

> there is any idea of 'God' it is karma within illusion only..Tony.

>

> Joyce: You're making a statement of certainty -

> a nice antidote to the uncertainty of I don't

> know which is uncomfortable. To be honest, you can't know

> for sure there is/isn't

> any force folks call " god " because you don't know the full picture

> - I have never met/read anything

> by/ anyone who does (which I find very inrtiguing)

> - just statements of certainty or

> uncertainty about trivia, mostly learned from somewhere.

> If one is in a dour mood, feeling somewhat cynical, then

> there is no-god...or if one is feeling somewhat ecstatic,

> then its possible to be Gods Best Friend - depends on the

> mood or, hope and fear.

>

>

> Tony: I would regard it as a negation of all mind and all bullshit

as

> opposed to 'solid all the way down' bedrock truth.......

>

> Joyce: Condemnation/petulance isn't negation - you can only

> negate what you establish so you'd first have to

> establish the existence of mind

> (you're doing well with the bullshit:-)

>

>

> I'd put you, along with Eric, in the

> Fundamentalists Camp :-)

>

Namaste Joyce,

 

You are an interesting case presuming you believe in the soothing

fairy tale that there is a 'God' somewhere doing something, like

listening to your prayers and problems. So once you have decided

this fundamental delusion, you then make rules about it. So anyone

who negates it is a fundamentalist.

 

To be a fundamentalist one has to believe in something fundamental.

I am the opposite to that I don't believe at all!!There is no

foundation or building block to me at all. For all this talk of

attachments, ideas, not being attached, all attributes belong to a

mind that ultimately never happened.

 

The only thing I will concede in this delusionary illusion is that

the karma plays a role in our lives and what people call 'God' is

just Prarabda Karma. And to do that I have to extend a certain

amount of validity to the barren woman's son.......That's all.....

 

Now there is an unbecoming an unborn as Buddha would say and that is

the concept of inexplicability or NirGuna-NirVana. True Buddhists

mainly of the Theravada type do not believe in a Personal God even

today....ONS..Tony.

 

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