Satchitananda, Dharmas, Animal Souls, Mike, Durga Simon.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,All, IMHO,

 

One will find Ramana, on several occasions, states that Ajativada is

the ultimate truth but that many people will not be able to absorb

it.

 

Having said that if one examines the teachings of any Guru even,

Gaudapada, Sankara, Ramana etc, one will find dualistic, partially

dualistic, non dual, and ajativada levels of discourse. Because one

must bear in mind that the mind of the questioner or audience is

reflected in the Guru's words.

He wouldn't talk to primary school kids the same way as post

graduates at University, although everything is true at their level.

Its the old full bucket cannot understand a full pond concept, for

it is full already. So one can always find a quote to support an

argument at any level.

 

That is why the 'Self' is emphasised because it is Saguna and has

attributes that humans can identify with. Otherwise some people

would lose their spirituality if they entertained the truth without

preparing the mind, through meditation.

 

This is probably because one can only abide in the Self whilst one

is in body. Once the body drops dead it all disappears and only the

NirGuna Brahman concept is left. This happens spontaneously on

Moksha so there is no point in teaching something to people who

cannot absorb it for the end result is the same anyway.

 

Speaking within illusion about souls, or entities is a better word;

Animals souls do reincarnate as do all forms, that is spiritual

evolution. The idea of 'Group Souls' comes from the 'species mind',

which is also in humans. However with humans they have egos that can

overide their nature and dharma, whereas animals almost never do. So

the impression of individual to group souls is given. If animals

only had group 'souls' instead of a potential egos and awareness

sheaths, they could never progress and ALL spiritual evolvment would

cease. That isn't even logical!!

 

Finally Ramana says it is easier to absorb for those that cannot

absorb Ajativada, if one imagines the universe arises as we perceive

it. Also I return to the question if the world disappears on

bodiless moksha as the sages say; it can never have happened for

Brahman cannot be divided, as appearance requires

mind................ONS..Tony.