Fwd: Satchitananda and the dharmas, Mike, Simon, Durga plus animal souls.

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Michael Bowes " <aumshanti@>

wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,All, IMHO,

> >

> > One will find Ramana, on several occasions, states that

Ajativada

> is

> > the ultimate truth but that many people will not be able to

absorb

> it.

>

>

> mb

> Tony,

> That may be true; but just for the sake of discussion, why don't

you

> find one of those quotes and present it to us.

>

>

> snip

>

>

> mb

> Tony,

> Here's a repeat of what I quoted the other day. I use these

quotes

> because I personally know that they are true.

>

> Please note in the following verse that Shankara says that there

is

> NOTHING HIGHER than IDENTIFYING THE UNIVERSE WITH THE SELF.

>

>

> The following are verses 339 and 355 from the Vivekecudamani by

Sri

> Shankara:

>

> To realize the whole universe as the Self is the means of getting

rid

> of bondage. There is nothing higher than identifying the universe

> with the Self. One realizes this state by excluding the objective

> world through steadfastness in the eternal Atman.

> The Sannyasin, calm, self-controlled, perfectly retiring from the

> sense-world, forbearing, and devoting himself to the practice of

> Samadhi, always reflects on his own self being the Self of the

whole

> universe. Destroying completely by this means the imaginations

which

> are due to the gloom of ignorance, he lives blissfully as Brahman,

> free from action and the oscillations of the mind.

>

>

>

> mb:

> Tony,

> You claim that Shankara says that something else (ajativada) is a

> higher realization than IDENTIFYING THE UNIVERSE WITH THE SELF.

So

> please, since you evoke Shankara, why don't you come up with the

> quote???

>

Namaste,

 

Sankara doesn't contradict anything that I said for he says;' To

realise the whole universe as the Self is the MEANS of getting rid

of bondage.' Which covers what I said about spontaneous realisation

of NirGuna on Moksha etc

 

I can't find the quote right now but if you search Gaudapada and the

Mandukya Upanishad you will find it. He was Sankara's ParamaGuru.

If you search the refs on my wikipedia entry on ajativada, you will

also find them there.

 

The quote on Ramana is from page 182, Chapter 17...'Be as you are',

plus numerous other place I don't have at hand

immediately....ONS...Tony.

 

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