Still a doubt

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Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote:

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> " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: Friends, Namaste,

> I am back with a doubt again.

> The Advaita Vedanta says the mind projects the world because of

self ignorance. And

> Once Self Knowledge takes place the world �disappears or

vanishes�.

> My question is:

> Is the world so projected by the mind is the same for all minds

or individual mind projects its own individual world? What is the

substratum where such a world is projected or superimposed? Is the

substratum same for all minds or the substratum differs from mind to

mind?

>

>Vasishta does not seem to bother about the distinctions between the

private hallucination and the common one, as he emphasises only the

idea that a a mumukshu should

> be concerned only in understanding the fundamentals. In Ramana's

talks there is clear inference in many places that the eka-jivavada

theory is being d to. T.M.P. Mahadevan in his exposition of

Pancadasi says that the author s to both the theories.

 

Namaste R-Ji,

 

Ramana says that the Ajativada is the ultimate truth but the most

difficult to appreciate. He therefore advises people to entertain

the hypothesis of Drishti-Shristi Vada. The question you are posing

is much tied up with the ego or I thought, for it never wishes to

negate itself or its existence. One may not be aware of the creation

in deep sleep for it doesn't exist in full. What exists is the one

thought of ignorant bliss. The mind has withdrawn from the other

level of materiality and they have collapsed as not having existed

as in waking up from a dream.

So the problem stems from not being realised, and still entertaining

the 'I' thought. The I is believing that everything in creation is

existing whilst it was asleep. This is not so for the 'I' is an

illusion even in creation. So an illusion is making judgements on a

delusion!!

Does the personal dream state exist and the same dream continue when

one wakes up in the morning? No of course not, so each level has its

own temporary delusional validity that's all.

 

The question one should ask oneself is; Can the 'I' remember what

happened in the deep sleep state? Was it awake in the deep sleep

state? Can it narrate what it remembered?

The fact that all disappears in the deep sleep state just reinforces

the oneness of all even in illusion. So the doubt is just the 'I'

thought grasping at straws, the thief in the palace that's all, it

feels threatened.........ONS...Tony.

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

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> Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani@> wrote: Friends, Namaste,

> > I am back with a doubt again.

> > The Advaita Vedanta says the mind projects the world because

of

> self ignorance. And

> > Once Self Knowledge takes place the world �disappears or

> vanishes�.

> > My question is:

> > Is the world so projected by the mind is the same for all

minds

> or individual mind projects its own individual world? What is the

> substratum where such a world is projected or superimposed? Is the

> substratum same for all minds or the substratum differs from mind

to

> mind?

> >

> >Vasishta does not seem to bother about the distinctions between

the

> private hallucination and the common one, as he emphasises only

the

> idea that a a mumukshu should

> > be concerned only in understanding the fundamentals. In

Ramana's

> talks there is clear inference in many places that the eka-

jivavada

> theory is being d to. T.M.P. Mahadevan in his exposition

of

> Pancadasi says that the author s to both the theories.

>

> Namaste R-Ji,

>

> Ramana says that the Ajativada is the ultimate truth but the most

> difficult to appreciate. He therefore advises people to entertain

> the hypothesis of Drishti-Shristi Vada. The question you are

posing

> is much tied up with the ego or I thought, for it never wishes to

> negate itself or its existence. One may not be aware of the

creation

> in deep sleep for it doesn't exist in full. What exists is the one

> thought of ignorant bliss. The mind has withdrawn from the other

> level of materiality and they have collapsed as not having existed

> as in waking up from a dream.

> So the problem stems from not being realised, and still

entertaining

> the 'I' thought. The I is believing that everything in creation is

> existing whilst it was asleep. This is not so for the 'I' is an

> illusion even in creation. So an illusion is making judgements on

a

> delusion!!

> Does the personal dream state exist and the same dream continue

when

> one wakes up in the morning? No of course not, so each level has

its

> own temporary delusional validity that's all.

>

> The question one should ask oneself is; Can the 'I' remember what

> happened in the deep sleep state? Was it awake in the deep sleep

> state? Can it narrate what it remembered?

> The fact that all disappears in the deep sleep state just

reinforces

> the oneness of all even in illusion. So the doubt is just the 'I'

> thought grasping at straws, the thief in the palace that's all, it

> feels threatened.........ONS...Tony.

>

Namaste,

 

Just to continue;

IMHO, The 'I' believing the world exists while it sleeps is an

attachment a grasping mechanism. For the 'I' identifies strongly

with the world and is reinforced in its belief of its own existence.

By believing that which it is attached to exists in deep sleep. This

is an anchor for the ego and an impediment to realisation. For it is

the mind believing in the mind instead of using a thorn to remove a

thorn.............ONS...Tony.