Fwd: Self-Realization

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Namaste,

 

I find this interesting for within illusion, the dream or astral

does operate as its own world as well as use impressions from the

waking state..........ONS..Tony.

 

 

 

advaitin , bhaskar.yr wrote:

 

 

What you say of dream state as an echo of the waking state is purely

from

the empirical viewpoint. One must know that after having a heavy

meal, one

feels dream hunger. That dreams are made of only the materials of the

waking state is only half truth. I hundred percent agree with the

views of

Sri Murthy that the waking and dream egos are entirely different,

there

being no interconnectedness between them. Dream state is a waking

state in

its own right. One cannot judge the dream state from the standpoint

of the

waking state, in view of the seeming permanence of the waking state,

which

experience is had even in the dream state.

 

praNAms Sri Shankararaman prabhuji

Hare Krishna

 

I whole heartedly agree with your observation prabhuji...infact, the

traditional advaita holds this view firmly based on shruti vAkya

which

equates both waking & dreaming state by saying saptAnga

yEkOnaviMshati

mukhaH (mAndUkya shruti)..indicating both states are *real* in its

own

realm...gaudapAda, also in his kArikA refutes the theory of waking

state's sway over the dreaming state....The general belief that

dreams

are the product of

impressions created in waking can be acceptable, as you said only

vyAvaharically. But if you strictly objectively analyse these two

state,

the assertion that " dream is mere *vAsanA-s* of waking state " is not

at all

a proven fact.

 

gaudapAda argues in kArika that if we say, waking is kAraNa (cause)

& it

is true (sat) & dream is the kArya (effect) & is false (asat),

it is

illogical to say true (sat/waking) has given birth to false (asat

/dream). Because we cannot say

true cause can give birth to false effect. Unless this problem

resolved we

cannot say true waking state's vAsana-s are causing the false or

asat

dreams.

 

So prabhuji, irrespective of who said what!! your observation is

very much

valid & within the scope of traditional teaching of our Acharya-s...

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

 

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