Fwd: Self Realization

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advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran

wrote:

 

 

 

Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: Hi Nair-ji,

 

I can appreciate your perception that we " see sleep and dream as

experiences

occurring in waking. " But this is not (as I understand it) how the

prakriyA

argues. Rather, the idea is that we do not perceive the dream or

deep sleep

with our waking senses so how can we claim that these states occur

in

waking? By analogy, we seem to see a separate world in the dream

but do not

claim (in the dream) that the waking state is part of that world

(but might

equally well do so). Just as we do not think that a particular

dream world

continues to exist once the related dream has ended, why should we

believe

that the waking world continues once we are asleep?

 

From

Sankarraamn

 

Dear Dennis,

There is validity in your qestion how

are we sure that the waking state remains intact in deep-sleep,

thereby questioning the validity of the judgement of the waking

state of dream and sleep. But, should not one come to that

understanding in the waking state itself, that is the waking state

is realized not to exist even in that state in that perception. That

knowledge can transpire only in the Witness. But there is the

difficulty that the Witness is free from any knowledge and

ignorance, and this understanding cannot happen to even the Witness,

as the Witness is not incompatible with ignorance. Only the

akhandakhara-vritti stopping all objectified phenomenal knowledge,

through the question, " Who am I, " which is not an intellectual

question waiting for an answer, further which may not be a state at

all, this understanding can happen. It is in this light I can

acquiesce in the pronouncement of Nairji that one should not be

stuck up with the

avasthathriya, but should look at the foundational thought, which

is not anyone state, but is a neutral platform from which one can

take a plunge to the self. But one will not reamin there as an

entity, as if one still continued to exist, it would be still

another state.

 

with warm regards

Sankarraman