Avastha triya sakshi.

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advaitin , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote:

>

> Avastha triya sakshi

>

>

 

> >

> > " Thus because in the dream the waking world does not exist at

all,

> because

> > in the deep sleep neither the waking and dream states nor their

> respective

> > worlds exist at all, it becomes evident that apart from the

states

> or devoid

> > of the states a separate world does not exist at all; what is

called

> 'the

> > world' or the phenomenon of the world is nothing but an

appearance

> that is

> > seen or observed within a state alone. " (P. 438 Adyhatma Prakasha

> Karyalaya,

> > 1986.)

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Dennis

>

>

> Namaste Dennis,

>

> Well, I would question the conclusion that

> D.B. Gangoli has come to. I don't think that

> his logic is correct.

>

> He seems to be saying that the emperical

> waking world (or the creation) is the creation

> of the individual's mind in the waking state, and

> I would say that is not true.

>

> The individual's mind passes through the three mental states

> waking, dream, and deep sleep, but from the POV of Ishwara

> those three states are taking place within the creation,

> within time and space, within duality, while the Self

> is that which is untouched by, and illumines it all.

>

> The world which is perceived in the waking state through

> the awake mind of the individual is not a creation of that

> individual's mind (if this indeed is what Mr. Gangoli is

> putting forth). (This was discussed previously in

> another thread).

>

> The world which the individual's mind perceives in

> the waking state is Ishwara's world. It is empirical

> reality and the individual's mind is part to the whole.

>

Namaste Durga,

 

Isvara is the sum total of all the Jivas. Hence an illusion.

 

To give some validity to it all for argument's sake, we are left

with the three theories of creation.

 

1. Some God created it--Isvara.

 

2. It arises as we perceive it.

 

3. Ajativada-it never happened at all.

 

Ramana says that #3 is the Truth, but that most people cannot

process that mentally, so he suggests using #2 as workable

hypothesis. So taking #1 is not near the ultimate truth.

 

The problem is in not taking into account that even in illusion the

mind is in fact universal. It is the 'I' that is totally unreal,

even though it appears to exist in all three states. In the deep

sleep states it exists only as a thought of nothingness, but the

memory of relaxation does survive when one returns to the 'waking

state'. When there is no 'I' there is no Isvara--no Jiva no Isvara.

 

What remains is the Saguna Brahman or Self.,,,and even that is

illusion.............ONS...Tony.