Fwd: Mithya in Advaita

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advaitin , " hersh_b " <hershbhasin wrote:

 

Namaste Ram mohan Ji

>when we talk about the superimposition,is there an object " sky "

there at all?

>is it not mere space and that space there looks " blue " ?

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The argument was that an all pervasive substance (ether) exists and

we superimpose the mental construct of " dark-blue " color onto it (

quote.. " for non-discerning men superimpose on the ether, which is

not

the object of sensuous perception, dark-blue color " .). In other

words

ether exists and the dark blue color of sky does not really exist.

It

is a illusion. We see something that is not really there. According

to you even the sky does not exist but somehow we see only blue

space.

 

Physicists have tried to prove the existence of ether but failed.

Experiments by Michelson-Morley to detect the " ether-wind " failed

(http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/michelsonmorley.html). The only

possible conclusion from this series of very difficult experiments

was that the whole concept of an all-pervading ether was wrong from

the start.

 

However Maxwell and later Einstein have introduced the concept of

electromagnetic fields. If we replace ether with the all pervasive

electro magnetic field, we find a happy match of western science

with

our Sankhya philosophy of Prana and Akasha. As Vivakananda has

explained in his complete works (Raj -yoga, Sankhya and Prana

lectures), matter is energy in motion and we are all " whirlpools " of

energy in motion. He has said that if we take a piece of thread and

whirl it at very high speed, it can cut through matter. Hence it can

be shown that matter in energy in motion. In other words matter and

energy are interchangeable. His letter with Tesla showed that he had

expected Tesla to work out a mathematical formula relating matter &

energy, which he could not and was later formulated by Einstein. Now

Prana is force. All forces like electricity, magnetism etc are

derivations of prana. So matter is just Prana in motion. Now

Einstein's thought seems to match very closely Vivakananda's

thought.

I quote from his book called " Evolution of Physics " . In the chapter

on Field and Relativity, he says:

 

" There is no sense in regarding matter and field (i.e.

electromagnetic field) as two qualities different from each

other. ..

What impresses our senses as matter is really concentration of

energy

into a comparatively small space. We can regard matter as regions of

space where the field is extremely strong "

 

The " regions space where the field is extremely strong " is

the " whirlpools " of energy of Vivakananda.

 

My point in this discussion being that all pervasive ether can be

replaced by all pervasive electromagnetic field and the first part

of

the example (that there is an all pervasive substance) can be taken

as correct.

 

Now we come to the bone of contention. Is the blue color of sky an

illusion, a mental concept or does it have real, material existence.

Is it an mental idea or can it be seen as I see a rock and does it

have mass as does a rock. An object like a rock is " real " because it

has mass and I can see it. If I can see blue color and prove that

blue color has " mass " then blue color is not an idea, an illusion

but

a " real " thing.

 

In Classical physics, matter and energy were separate. Matter had

weight and energy was weightless. Consequently there we two

conservation laws. One for matter and one for energy. Modern physics

makes no such distinction. Energy has mass and mass represents

energy. The famous equation e=mc2 gives the relation.

 

The sun bombards earth with white light. Now I know that light is

an

electromagnetic wave. An electro magnetic wave creates a " field " . So

there is an " all-prevasive " field of electricity & magnetism. Blue

light is part of the white light. I can actually " see " blue light.

All I have to do is take a prism and put it in the path of the white

light of sun. I can then clearly see blue in the VIBGYOR spectrum.

 

I know that light has energy. Each color of light has a different

frequency. The higher the frequency, the higher the energy

contained.

Red light as lower frequency than blue light. Hence red light has

lower energy than blue light. Now if blue light has energy, it has

mass ( as shown by e=mc2).

 

Hence I have shown that I can " see " blue light and that blue light

has " mass " , just like a rock. Thus the color blue is not a figment

of

my imagination but " really " exists. I do not superimpose blue color

on the electromagnetic space all around me but that " blue " is really

out there, is a part of the electromagnetic space outside of me,

which I " see " as any other " real " object. Why do I see blue and not

any other color is explained by the fact that blue is absorbed more

by the gases in the sky, due to blue color having higher energy

level

and by the " scattering " effect. If my eyes/senses were like the

prism, I would see each band of light separately as a VIBGYOR

spectrum. My eyes can only see colors from violet to red. I cannot

for example see ultra violet rays. But that does not mean they do

not

exist. With the right equipment I can verify that they do indeed

exist.

 

Regards

Hersh

 

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