Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 advaitin , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: Namaste to all sAdhaka-s, This is the second part of the post. As I mentioned in the 1st part, a lot of disagreement occurs because people focus on specific texts or teachers instead of looking at the tradition as a whole. There are only a few things that are absolutely indispensable as far as advaita-vedAnta is concerned. IMO, these are: 1. Truth is non-dual, as represented by the equation: Atman = brahman 2. The upaniShad-s (and the texts & tradition based on the upaniShad-s) show this truth and teach us how to realize it. The first is the advaitic truth, the second is what defines the saMpradAya. Beyond this, the tradition allows for multiple approaches & diversity of views. All sAdhanA occurs in the realm of vyavahAra, and this realm is the realm of relativity. There is enough place here for multiple approaches. In fact, multiple approaches are needed because sAdhaka-s have differing abilities and temperaments. Of course, this does not mean that anything is acceptable. Rather, multiple approaches are accepted *as long as they are within the framework of the Sruti* and are useful from the perspective of sAdhanA. And certain things are more important or more useful than others. For example, what is the status of dualistic bhakti towards ISvara? Shyam_md, a strong proponent of bhakti, vehemently defended the idea of ISvara in one of his previous posts. But the fact remains that ISvara is sublated at the paramArtha level. Even at the vyavahAra level, one can very well follow a model that has no role for ISvara. dRShTi-sRShTi-vAda is one such model. There can be others. Ramana Maharshi has said that there can be any number of creation theories and Sruti itself gives many such theories. Can one say that only sRShTi-dRShTi is correct, or only dRShTi-sRShTi is correct? Actually, both of them are ultimately sublated, but both have their utility when it comes to sAdhanA. So is dualistic bhakti absolutely essential? No. Is it helpul? Yes. In fact, not just helpful but very very helpful for most people. IMO, nirvikalpa samAdhi must be taken in the same spirit. It may not be necessary, but there is no doubt whatsoever that it is extremely useful. Here let us have a look at the vedAnta-sAra of sadAnanda (Sw. Nikhilananda's translation): Verse 181. evaMbhUtasva svarUpacaitanya sAxAtkAraparyantaM sravaNa manana nididhyAsana samAdhi anuShThAnasyApexitatvAtepi pradarshyante " Till such realization of the Consciousness which is one's own Self, it is necessary to practise hearing, reflection, meditation and absorption (samAdhi). Therefore these are also being explained. " Note that the text mentions samAdhi also along with sravaNa, manana & nididhyAsana! Verse 197 defines nirvikalpa samAdhi: nirvikalpakastu jnAtR^ijnAnAdi vikalpalayApexayAdvitIya vastuni tadAkArAkAritAyAshcittavRtteratitarAmekIbhAvena avasthAnam " Absorption without self-consciousness (nirvikalpa samAdhi) is the total mergence in brahman, the One without a second, of the mental state which has assumed Its form, the distinction of the knower, knowledge and the object of knowledge being in this case obliterated " Is not the above the same as advaita-siddhi? Verse 199 goes on to say: tatashcAsya suShupteshcabhedasha.nkA na bhavati " Therefore there is no apprehension of it (nirvikalpa samAdhi) being identical with deep sleep " verse 200 is the show-stopper: asyA.ngAni yama niyama Asana prANAyAma pratyAhAra dhAraNA dhyAna samAdhayaH All the 8 limbs of aShTA.nga yoga! From verse 201 to 214, the text describes the 8 limbs Now lets come to Verse 214 anena vighnacatuShTayena virahitaM cittaM nirvAtadIpavadacalaM sadakhaNDacaitanyamAtramavatiShThate yadA tadA nirvikalpakaH samAdhirityucyate " When the mind, free from these four obstacles (defined earlier as torpidity, distraction, attachment & enjoyment), rests unmoved, like the flame of a lamp sheltered from the wind, *as one with the Absolute Consciousness*, it is called the Nirvikalpa Samadhi " Again, is not the above the same as advaita-siddhi? If one still holds that it is not the same as advaita-siddhi, the only alternative is to say that nirvikalpa samAdhi is a non-dual 'experience' that is not stable, and that the yogin comes out of it in some time. The knowledge of Atman = brahman is required to make the yogin 'abide' in the non-dual brahman, which would be advaita siddhi. This is what Sri SN Sastri said in a recent post, and what many advaitin AcArya-s have said. But that does not take away from the utility of nirvikalpa samAdhi as a part of sAdhanA. It only means that advaita-siddhi is a kind of permanent nirvikalpa samAdhi. Last but not the least, the fact is that yogAbhyAsa is one of the greatest spiritual " products " of Hinduism. bhakti et al are found in many traditions worldwide. But how many traditions have the profound sAdhanA that is yoga? maharShi pata~njali deserves our greatest respect for having systematized the vedic meditational practices into the magnificent discipline of aShTA~Nga yoga, which is entirely compatible with vedAnta. To dismiss pAtanjala yoga as a dvaita Sastra is to hopelessly miss its point. It is silly to dismiss bhakti towards ISvara merely on the grounds that it is dualistic. Equally, it is silly to dismiss pAtanjala yoga on the grounds that it is a dvaita Sastra. I am sure Sunder-ji and Subbu-ji will agree with me. dhanyosmi Ramesh --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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