Fwd: Re-Creation theories.

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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

, <aumshanti@> wrote:

>

> ---- Tony OClery <aoclery@> wrote:

> > Namaste Anandaji,

> >

> > An excellent article, that I forwarded to my group advaitajnana--

thank

> > you. Now how I arrived at Ajati Vada was very simple, although it

did

> > involve some belief.

> > I knew that the Sages and Muktas had indicated that the whole

> > of 'creation' disappears on realisation and dropping of the body.

> > I also knew that Nirguna Brahman cannot be qualified. Therefore

any

> > qualification can only be an attribute, even if it is

only 'appearance'.

> > It therefore follows that 'nothing ever happened', not even the

> > appearance.

> > This is very hard to accept for Philosophers and Bhaktas, who

need

> > something to exist in 'some way' to justify their existence. It

is only

> > possible even because we are all the undivided unqualified

Nirguna

> > Brahman. So there are the three levels of Ramana, somebody

created it-a

> > God or Isvara, it arises as we perceive it--a kind of attribute

of

> > Saguna and finally the ultimate truth--Ajativada-nothing happened

at

> > all even appearance.--Nir Guna..............Tony.

> >

>

> Tony,

>

> Ajativada simply means " unborn " . What it means is that the One was

never born. And a person might also extrapolate that the One will

never die.

>

> But ajativada means - " unborn " . It doesn't even slightly resemble

the your notion that " nothing ever existed " , not even slightly.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> michael

>

Namaste Michael,

 

I beg to differ, for there has to be some description to convey the

concepts of Nir Guna and Ajati Vada, hence the words.

 

Nothing can ever have existed for an appearance needs a mind, and a

mind indicates the concept of 'God' or Saguna Brahman. The scriptures

indicate that a Jiva and Creation have no beginning but can have an

end. There is no beginning because nothing ever happened in the first

place.

 

In the end I can only fall back on the wors of the Sages who say it

all disappears on Dropping the body-Moksha........

 

There are three theories by Ramana for there are different levels of

minds and opinions that's all.........Regards Tony.

 

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