Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 advaitin , bhaskar.yr wrote: praNAms Hare Krishna I am forced to write this after seeing the floating mails about *self-realization* & its interpretation mainly quoting later commentators' works like bhAmati/vivaraNa and sporadic & selected out of context very few quotes from shankara's works & ofcourse with abundant sarcastic remarks on others who dont endorse these interpretations. Kindly dont think this is a castigatory mail against those interpretations, this is only an humble attempt to share my part of understanding of the subject matter depending upon works of my parama guruji Sri Satchidanandendra Saraswati, who in turn solely depended on our advaita paramAchArya Sri Shankara bhagavadpujyapAda's commentary on prasthAna traya. It is also to be noted that this is not an attempt to show how later vyAkhyAnakAra-s diluted the teachings of shankara but it's been written just to show how shankara deals with this topic in his own works. First of all, we should keep in mind what our advaita AchArya ultimately offers us with regard to self realization & socalled bondage of jIva, spiritual practice etc.. Sri GaudapAdAchArya in his kArika (2-32) categorically asserts : //there is no dissolution, no creation either; no one in bondage and no one who makes an effort to get free; no one longing for release and none that has become free. This is the ultimate truth. // bhagavadpAd while commenting on this kArika says when all duality is unreal and the Atman alone is real then it has been concluded that all this human procedure both mundane (loukika) and scriptural (vaidika) is wholly in the sphere of avidyA. There being neither creation nor dissolution the one truth is that there are no persons bound by saMsAra etc. This being the case, how can we say, jnAnOtpatti / Atma jnAna ( dawn of ultimate knowledge) is a time bound abrupt experience *even* for the jnAni who has realized the above in its entirety ?? All the shruti-s employ various means as devices and aim at conducing to the self enlightenment/realization that to vijnAnamaya, who is seemingly a transmigratory soul from the stand-point of the unwise (avidyaka vyavahAra). It is improper to say in vyavahAra brahman has the avidyA, no problem with that etc. etc. vyavahAra starts only with jIva bhAva/pramAtrutva, dragging brahman, the ultimate reality of vEdAnta to this region & enveloping it with avidyA is quite absurd & contrary to shruti declaration. Because, shruti says Atman is great, unborn, free from old age, free from death, immortal, fearless...He who knows this indeed becomes verily this fearless brahman (bruhadAraNyaka upanishad) etc. From the above, it is quite evident that the *socalled* jIva in avidyA vyavahAra is bound which wants *socalled* liberation from the avidyA saMsAra...it is to be noted here that if we accept that there are two separate entities called jIva & brahma, then only the distinction of ruler and the ruled is true and it invariably follows that jIva who is in bondage seeks release from this bondage etc. Shruti also endorses this empirical view and declares " the helpless individual Atman is bound on account of being an experiencer of fruit of action. But by knowing that ever shining one (paramAtman) however, he will be freed from all bonds " (svetAshvara upanishad). Shruti statements like this teach us in a clear manner that knowledge of the true nature of Atman alone can release the soul, thereby it is implying that it is *avidyA* only that binds the jIvAtman. prashna upanishad further confirms this the cause of saMsAra is *avidyA* and nothing else, once it gives way the realization automatically happens..bharadvAja gratefully says here after worshipping pippalAda " Thou art indeed our real father for thou hast taken us across our *ignorance* (avidyA) to the other shore. Shankara, by following these upanishadic purports, clears his stand on the doctrine of mOksha/Atma jnAna/self realization in the long running *tattu samanvayAt* sUtra bhAshya wherein he asserts " this nature of saMsAra (mundane life) the ephemeral experience of pleasure and pain of changing degress by assuming different bodies due to gradation of meritorious and unmeritorious deeds of beings subject to defects like *avidyA* is well known from shruti-s, smruti-s and reasoning. Accordingly the shruti reaffirms this nature of saMsAra as described above when it says *there is indeed no freedom from the oppression of pleasure and pain for a being so long as it is embodied* (chAndOgya shruti) and since contact of pleasure and pain is denied for the liberated one by shruti *pleasure and pain indeed do not touch one who is without a body* (chAndOgya shruti) it can be inferred that unembodiedness called mOksha is not an effect of meritorious deeds which are known through the vEdic injuctions " From the above it is quite evident that accroding to shankara self realization is nothing but removal of ignorance. Shankara does not say here removal of ignorance is mere vrutti vyApti & it requires further one step phalavyApti to attain the ultimate...neither he declares here this *self realization * is an event and abrupt experience in a split second of time like a shock :-))...On the other hand, in this same sUtra bhAshya he further confirms the *immediate release* as soon as enlightenment dawns (again dont pick me for saying *as soon as* enlightenment dawns etc...it is language limitation that we have to say that figuratively).. He says : Moreover, shrutis like these point out that mOksha accrues *immediately* after the dawn of knowledge of brahman and thus precludes the necessity for anything else to be done in the interval before release. From the above it is clear there is no *time gap* between two fold vrutti vyApti and phala vyApti and gradation of knowledge is NOT shankara's baby :-)). Without giving any importance to these teachings of shankara, people often think that final release or self realization is an effect & it is an abrupt, peculiar, special experience of some noble souls in an exalted state...If this realization presumed to be the disappearance or destruction of the *actually existing* jIva nature in an abrupt flash experience, and that nature is being an agent of action and reaping the fruit & experience the state of non duality in a particular time frame, then it would be against all reason to say that the *nature* is removable by the performance of some rigorous act of religious discipline is it not?? That is why shankara says in sUtra bhAshy " vidyA is not of a nature to be enjoined and the result of vidyA is not the effect of anything *done*... It is already getting lengthy let me conclude this. Finally, according to shruti/shankara vEdAnta, brahman is the ultimate reality of this universe, which can be known only through upanishads. It is the self liminous witness (sAkshin) & it is not an adventitious thing and the very self of all..There is no pramANa or means of right knowledge which can reveal it through the means of *flashy time bound experiences* in an exalted state of some individuals since no pramANa needed to prove its existence...People unable to understand this truth have propagated the theory of Atma sAkshAtkAra, brahmAkAra vrutti etc. etc. for which they simply imagine that the practice of some severe meditation & flashy experience of *self* etc. etc. required...shruti crying at the top of its voice that parabrahman is nirvikAri (without any modification), niravayava (without any limbs), nirAkAra (formless) nirguNa (attributeless)..despite knowing all these we are floating theories like brahmAkAra vrutti, Atma sAkshAtkAra etc. etc. without finding any adequate references from shankara's prasthAna trayi bhAshya. I shall stop here & I hereby confirm that this is not an attack on personal beliefs of noble souls here in this list...this is what just I thought when I read *bhAshya viruddha* (against bhagavadpAda's commentary on prasthAna traya) assertions.. Kindly pardon me if at all I hurt anybody's sentiments. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Reference : (01) Shankara's sUtra bhAshya & bruhadAraNyaka bhAshya & mAndUkya/ kArika bhAshya translated by my parama guruji Sri Sri Satchidaanandendra Saraswati in Kannada (02) vEdAnta darshana, shankara hrudaya ... independent works in Kannada by my parama guruji. (03) Salient features of Shankara's vEdAnta in English by my parama guruji (04) How to Recognise the Method of vEdAnta in English by my parama guruji. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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