enlightenment is WORD as are merely an impersonal happening

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All this is very confusing when Monism, the cult of Advaita, is the

personification of simplicity:

 

There is Atman, Samadhi ... alias Brahman, physics' quantum-gap, and

then there is Atman's fiction: thoughts.

 

Life and its universe is thoughts. Realization is just a thought, as

is my body and you and I.

 

Life is thus exactly like a movie or book in which ALL imaginary

characters are born to live and die BUT a few rare characters are

somehow " aware " that they are just words, like I, in a book, or

light reflecting off the movie-screen... we are all just

imaginary-characters like Mickey Mouse and Ramana and Ramesh ... just

playing our roles... exactly like the dead Clark Gable plays his role

in the very alive " Gone with the Wind. "

 

Peace

geza

 

 

 

advaitajnana , " Grant " <g-ssummerville wrote:

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> The other day I stopped to feed the llamas that live in the field

down the road. Watching them I remembered what you said, " When I'm

hungry I eat, when I'm tired I sleep. " The llama does all that, the

llama has no doubts.

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> The llama has no intellect. In his case there is no concept of

bondage. Therefore ...

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> He doesn't know he's liberated.

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> No, no. There is no concept of bondage, therefore there is no need

to be liberated from that concept. Since there is no concept of

bondage, the question of liberation or enlightenment is irrelevant.

All that happens is, a body has been " born " and will " die " in due

course. That's all. Millions of bodies are created and destroyed, and

that will be one of them.

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> How does that differ from someone who is enlightened and doesn't

know he is enlightened?

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> No difference at all. That is precisely what I am saying.

Enlightenment is merely an impersonal happening. We give it the taint

of a personal achievement. Therefore the question arises, " What is an

enlightened being like? " There is no such thing as an enlightened

person. Enlightenment is merely another event. There is a flood, a

fire, an earthquake; there is enlightenment, just one happening in the

whole process, all part of the phenomenal process.

> Enlightenment has significance only in phenomenality. Therefore, it

is still a concept. And in phenomenality the mind wants to know what

the original state of void is like. It is precisely like wanting to

know what the state of deep sleep is like. Nobody asks that, because

everybody has the experience of deep sleep. So the question, " What is

it like? " can only happen to a person who has never slept in his life.

Only he can ask, " What is that state of deep sleep like? "

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> It would be impossible to describe it to him.

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> Exactly. A more mundane example would be: how will you describe

colour to a man blind from birth? He can only know by touching or

hearing or tasting or smelling.

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