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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " shaunkiddzolo " <shaunkiddzolo@>

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Namaste,

 

Very simply the morphic field and morphic resonance are just

Sheldrakes

name for the local 'species mind' and the heirarchy of overminds,

progressing to the great overmind or Mahat.

Where else would karma and learning/instinct come from?

Sheldrake's Indian and Vedantic experiences are obvious in his

theories

but he names them in a Western Way that's all. Any yogi or student of

Indian Philosophy would instantly recognise them.......

Scientists say they cannot be measured or verified but then neither

can

the movement of sub atomic particles for they are influenced by the

act

of observing them...kind of in a morphic field.........Tony.

Re: Heisenbergs theory of uncertainty.

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " shaunkiddzolo "

<shaunkiddzolo@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " shaunkiddzolo "

<shaunkiddzolo@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Very simply the morphic field and morphic resonance are just

Sheldrakes

> > name for the local 'species mind' and the heirarchy of overminds,

> > progressing to the great overmind or Mahat.

> > Where else would karma and learning/instinct come from?

> > Sheldrake's Indian and Vedantic experiences are obvious in his

theories

> > but he names them in a Western Way that's all. Any yogi or

student of

> > Indian Philosophy would instantly recognise them.......

> > Scientists say they cannot be measured or verified but then

neither can

> > the movement of sub atomic particles for they are influenced by

the act

> > of observing them...kind of in a morphic field.........Tony.

> > Re: Heisenbergs theory of uncertainty.

> >

>

>

> Namaste

>

> No problem if " Morphic Resonace " is proposed as philosophical

notion.

> But surely that is not case with Sheldrake. Scientific theories try

> to explain observation and experiment.

>

> Even with Heisenbergs Uncertainty physicists were able to observe

> Quantum Phenomena like Quantum Entanglement in laboratory, for

> example. Quantum Mechanics is a scientific theory and the

predictions

> made by the theory are testable and verifiable.

>

> The same doesn't apply to Morphic Fields. Sheldrake even claims that

> he already has observable scientific evidence for such phenomena as

> animal telepathy, hundredth monkey phenomena etc... His

experiments ,

> evidence and claims were found to be scientifically flawed

therefore

> Morphic Resonance is Psuedoscience, Quantum Field Theory isn't.

 

Namaste,

 

When you can predict the behaviour and locality of any particle that

you are observing..I would believe you. However if it turns into a

wave that is something else, also unpredictable and essentially

unobservable.

 

If you are only looking for scientifically approved situations then a

site like this will hardly satisfy you.

 

Telepathy has scientifically experimented with, so has remote

viewing. If you owned an animal you would understand.

 

Species minds and levels of overminds to the Great Mahat are actually

quite logical if one believes in reincarnation, spiritual evolution

etc etc.

 

To say that morphic fields are pseudo-science and quantum theory

isn't is a oxymoron for you term it a theory not even an hyothesis.

 

So called science is dependent on grants and agendas, that is why

they don't accept that the water weathering on the sphinx is pre 10-

15,000 years ago. It doesn't fit in with the official religion of the

universities and their grantors.

 

However if you are into yoga or have read the Bhagavata Purana and

other stuff you would accept Sheldrake as just using different more

western terms.........Tony.

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

 

> >

> > However if you are into yoga or have read the Bhagavata Purana

and

> > other stuff you would accept Sheldrake as just using different

more

> > western terms.........Tony.

> >

>

>

> Of course I am aware of Eastern philosophy abut there is a fallacy

in

> extrapolating philosophical notions to scientific theories.

>

> There are certain notions like " Existence " whose explanation will

> always remain outside the realm of science. But to misrepresent

> science to fit into the Vedantic World View is a fallacy.

>

Namaste,

 

Just because of you ignorance doesn't mean it aint so. Vedanta and

other philosophies that have been preserved in India show that terms

used such as purusha, prakriti, siva/sakti, anu,paraamanu,tanmatras

etc

etc corespond to many of the western quantum mechanics and more.

In fact it was a common method to spiritualise and even objectify in

a

deity form, natural energies and science so it would be preserved

through dark ages. All of the mathematical equations in the Atharva

Veda are yet to be solved, although one was only recently.......Tony.

This rabbit hole goes very deep if you don't have your skates on.

 

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

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> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

>

> > >

> > > However if you are into yoga or have read the Bhagavata Purana

> and

> > > other stuff you would accept Sheldrake as just using different

> more

> > > western terms.........Tony.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Of course I am aware of Eastern philosophy abut there is a

fallacy

> in

> > extrapolating philosophical notions to scientific theories.

> >

> > There are certain notions like " Existence " whose explanation will

> > always remain outside the realm of science. But to misrepresent

> > science to fit into the Vedantic World View is a fallacy.

> >

> Namaste,

>

> Just because of you ignorance doesn't mean it aint so. Vedanta and

> other philosophies that have been preserved in India show that

terms

> used such as purusha, prakriti, siva/sakti, anu,paraamanu,tanmatras

> etc

> etc corespond to many of the western quantum mechanics and more.

> In fact it was a common method to spiritualise and even objectify

in

> a

> deity form, natural energies and science so it would be preserved

> through dark ages. All of the mathematical equations in the Atharva

> Veda are yet to be solved, although one was only

recently.......Tony.

> This rabbit hole goes very deep if you don't have your skates on.

 

Namaste,

 

I would like to add this to the debate from the Upanishads.

'Sarvaani imaani bhootani aakaashaadeva samutpadyante; Aakaasha hi

evo yebhyo jyaati; Aakaashahaha paranyanam'..'All beings are created

out of akasha;Akasha is supreme; Akasha is the ultimate source and

basis of things and beings'.

The quantum scientists are getting nearer to this with 'field' theory

but there is far more in Vedanta yet....Tony