Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 GuruRatings , Sarlo <sarlo wrote: > > At 11:44 AM 7/25/07, Tony wrote: > > >There is a level above Advaita and that is Para-Advaita. > > > > Advaita sees oneness in Saguna. Para-Advaita is/isn't oneness/non-ness > >in non being or > >Nirguna..Tony. > > Ah well, the old " beyond, " or higher level game. > > Good old http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Shtick.htm sez: > > The " beyond " shtick is a standard dodge in the biz, another way of saying > " I am the greatest, Buddha and his ilk are barely worthy to kiss my feet, " > whereby mere oneness with the cosmos is a second-rate phenomenon and the > true prophet of God is the real deal. > > Variations on this theme include Maitreya Ishwara's " Beyond Advaita, " Vijay > Shankar's " Turiyatita, " the Hare Krishna's idea that Krishna is above all > this and so on. It is as divisive and self-aggrandizing as any sectarian > endeavour. (See " only begotten son, " and " last prophet of God " ). > > --submitted by me > > (Sarlo) > > To elaborate on one of them, especially since it doesn't involve a God: > " Turiyatita " was Vijai Shankar's game, which rested / rests(?) on the > ignorance of western seekers. Turiya, literally the fourth, is the name > given to the fourth level of consciousness, above the three oridnary modes, > waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep. It is called by a number because > nothing can be said about it. So to speak of going beyond this unnameable > ineffable fourth is clearly just a one-up-personship game. YMMV. > > Sarlo > > (Same as above) Namaste Sarlo, I can agree with that. My position is that the non duality of Sankara's Advaita is really still in illusion for it proposes unity with the Saguna Concept. This means it doesn't really entertain the fourth level or non level of NirGuna Brahman, which cannot be described as the term indicates.So to speak people are hanging on to the corner of the envelope when surrendering their ideatas; Not wishing to entertain that there could be absolutely nothing in relative terms. No God/Saguna or even an appearance to comfort the merging one. This truth nullifies completely the religions and philosophies for what is there to manipulate about?...........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > GuruRatings , Sarlo <sarlo@> wrote: > > > > At 11:44 AM 7/25/07, Tony wrote: > > > > >There is a level above Advaita and that is Para-Advaita. > > > > > > Advaita sees oneness in Saguna. Para-Advaita is/isn't > oneness/non-ness > > >in non being or > > >Nirguna..Tony. > > > > Ah well, the old " beyond, " or higher level game. > > > > Good old http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Shtick.htm sez: > > > > The " beyond " shtick is a standard dodge in the biz, another way of > saying > > " I am the greatest, Buddha and his ilk are barely worthy to kiss my > feet, " > > whereby mere oneness with the cosmos is a second-rate phenomenon > and the > > true prophet of God is the real deal. > > > > Variations on this theme include Maitreya Ishwara's " Beyond > Advaita, " Vijay > > Shankar's " Turiyatita, " the Hare Krishna's idea that Krishna is > above all > > this and so on. It is as divisive and self-aggrandizing as any > sectarian > > endeavour. (See " only begotten son, " and " last prophet of God " ). > > > > --submitted by me > > > > (Sarlo) > > > > To elaborate on one of them, especially since it doesn't involve a > God: > > " Turiyatita " was Vijai Shankar's game, which rested / rests(?) on > the > > ignorance of western seekers. Turiya, literally the fourth, is the > name > > given to the fourth level of consciousness, above the three > oridnary modes, > > waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep. It is called by a number > because > > nothing can be said about it. So to speak of going beyond this > unnameable > > ineffable fourth is clearly just a one-up-personship game. YMMV. > > > > Sarlo > > > > (Same as above) > > Namaste Sarlo, > > I can agree with that. > > My position is that the non duality of Sankara's Advaita is really > still in illusion for it proposes unity with the Saguna Concept. This > means it doesn't really entertain the fourth level or non level of > NirGuna Brahman, which cannot be described as the term indicates.So > to speak people are hanging on to the corner of the envelope when > surrendering their ideatas; Not wishing to entertain that there could > be absolutely nothing in relative terms. No God/Saguna or even an > appearance to comfort the merging one. This truth nullifies > completely the religions and philosophies for what is there to > manipulate about?...........Tony. Namaste, Before I'm misunderstood, religion or philosophy sans manipulation are aid to finding the way to realisation. Also within appearance or creation there is Love which although ultimately unreal is the Self or Saguna Brahman...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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