Fwd: Lovelock tells it as it is. (Capt. Paul Watson, as well...)

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GuruRatings , " dan_ananda " <dan_ananda

wrote:

 

[Note: Paul Watson is original co-founder of Greenpeace, and,

currently

leads Sea Shepherd Conservation Society]

 

" Paul Watson " <paulwatson@>

 

What are you asking Andy?

Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:32:28 -0700

 

 

Dear Andy,

I don't think that it is realistic to mount an anti-climate

change

campaign at this point because climate change is an unstoppable

reality.

That is what my latest commentary was all about. The answer to your

question is that I think an anti-climate change campaign is not

practical.

You say " None of us want to do anything about it. "

The answer is that the only thing you can do about it adapt to

the

fact that climate change caused by global warming is happening and it

is

not only out of control it is not possible to bring it under control.

However if you or anyone else have a realistic idea of how a campaign

might be organized, I am certainly open-minded. Unfortunately all of

the

things you want to convince people to change should have been done

years

ago and it is not practical to expect them to change in the near

future.

We are on the threshold of the collapse of human civilization.

That

is the reality and the price we will be paying for the crimes

committed

since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Perhaps you could tell us how you envision a climate change

campaign. No one is responding because there is no possibility of

organizing any effective campaign to prevent the coming of what is

already here.

Just what is climate crisis organizing? Kyoto is a failure. Do

you

think the masses of humanity are going to stop driving cars and

listening to their I-pods? And even if they did, it is to late. And

even

if the West did, China will not. The rich want to get richer and the

poor want to get rich. Humanity ie. all of us are our own worst enemy.

As Leonard Cohen once wrote; " We are loss among our suffering

and

our pleasures are the seal. " We don't want answers, we want

entertainment. HAve you not realized yet that humanity is simply

ecologically insane.

The one positive thing about global warming is that historically

speaking global warming has seen the evolution of more diversity of

plant and animal species. Not a bad trade-off really. The collapse of

human civilization in trade for greater diversity and a brave new

world

after the era of the rise and fall of the to intelligent for its own

good primate - the hominid.

 

Captain Paul Watson

 

(also, read Watson's " Embracing Global Warming " ):

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> CUTTING greenhouse gases and switching to sustainable development

are

> unlikely to prevent disasters caused by climate change, one of the

> world's respected environmentalists has warned.

>

> Professor James Lovelock, an independent environmental scientist,

> claims that even the most pessimistic outcomes predicted by the UN's

> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change fail to recognise the

speed

> with which global warming will progress.

>

> In a speech he was due to give yesterday, Professor Lovelock

> describes how he has arrived at an " apocalyptic view " of the future,

> in which 6 billion to 8 billion people face diminishing food and

> water supplies in an increasingly intolerable climate.

>

> The panel's final report on the extent of global warming concluded

> that average global temperatures could rise by as much as 6.4C by

the

> end of the century if carbon emissions continue to increase. A rise

> of four degrees was most likely, the panel said.

>

> But Professor Lovelock said the panel's report " gives the impression

> that global heating is serious but the worst consequences are

> avoidable if we take appropriate action now. Sadly, even the most

> pessimistic of the climate prophets of the IPCC panel do not appear

> to have noticed how rapidly the climate is changing " .

>

> He believes computer models used by panel scientists underestimate

> the magnitude of climate change by failing to consider the world as

> an entity in which living organisms inextricably feed into the

> environment.

>

> Professor Lovelock refers to a study he published in Nature in 1994,

> which attempted to model a " live Earth " , where ocean and land

> organisms have a strong bearing on climate.

>

> The study revealed that if atmospheric carbon dioxide levels reached

> 500 parts per million (ppm), global temperatures would rise rapidly

> by six degrees. The panel's calculations suggest about a two-degree

> rise for the same CO2 levels. The atmospheric level of CO2 stands at

> 380ppm, rising 2ppm a year.

>

> " We are at war with the Earth and as in a blitzkrieg, events proceed

> faster than we can respond … For this reason alone, it is probably

> too late for sustainable development, " he said.

>

> Professor Lovelock is similarly gloomy over cuts in carbon dioxide

> emissions, and " implementing Kyoto or some super-Kyoto is most

> unlikely to succeed " .

>

> Guardian News & Media

>

 

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