Fwd: Turkey Time and cognitive dissonance carnalitas

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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

, " bluazure " <firesong3@>

wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I have been following the threads for the last few months .And now

> enter the group with this response to Tony's thread on Ahimsa . And

> it is this ,Eating meat has nothing to do with my true

nature ,eating

> meat I will still be as I am ,not eating meat, I will still be as I

> am . Is my nature based on a behavior? Am I relying on limited

actions

> to behave according to some idea about non violence? This Self

nature

> is not dependant on some idea about consuming food , seeing who I am

> first, shows me that I am not somebody relying on some moral code or

> action but that I am the heart that is whole and complete .Having

> known who I am,I will eat what I eat and can decide not to eat meat

> and not worry about what others eat and I can care that other beings

> are not treated cruelly and Still be as I am.As Bhagavan

says, 'Seeing

> is being' it is not a practice or idea . When I am,I do not

think " Now

> I am practicing ahimsa, they are not " , there is no commentary

about

> ahimsa.

>

> These are codes and conditions to help ease the mind into quietness

so

> that the seeker can realize his true nature.They are karmic actions

> used so that the mind becomes clear and can inquire.An example is,

> when the seeker is told that the world is unreal ;this is a device

in

> order that the seeker enter into an introspective state and inquire

> directly into being.

>

> Shankar (As Tony has referred to in another post with his YOU Tube

> testing) not only says that the world is real, but that it is

unreal.

> When we superimpose on the undifferentiated Self and make the idea

of

> a " meat eater " real, thinking that others on the spiritual path

> shouldn't be doing this, which is called a measurement or labeling

> (somewhere I have read that Maya means to measure). You see a meat

> eater and your knowledge of Ahimsa springs up and you think about it

> in terms of Ahimsa and your knowledge of 'spiritual people' with

> cognitive dissonance arises.Atma Vichar is not practicing Ahimsa yet

> non violence comes in the form of wisdom and shanti which are

revealed

> in Atma Vichar.

>

> By the way it is common for Tibetan Buddhist to eat meat and I have

> heard that the Dalai Lama's physician advised him to eat meat at

some

> time.Are they practicing ahimsa? They are mostly loving and

generously

> kind :)They even wish all the beings in hell peace , I don't see

them

> having Cognitive dissonance.It is known that Bhagavan hit Dandi

Swami

> with a force so hard that it snapped his walking stick in two, was

he

> practicing Ahimsa ? Certianly he was trying to break up a fight,I

> don't think he thought too much about it afterwards. The thinking in

> Cognitive dissonace is equivilant to thinking about thinking. Direct

> beingness is without such cares.

>

> Prem and Shanti ,

> Marco .

 

Namaste,

 

Is not this whole post just an example of intellectual verbose

cognitive dissonanc carnalitas??????????If there were mental olympics

this would be in the top gymnast class.

 

It is the level of awareness that is effected by meat eating

attitudes or non discrimination or cognitive dissonance carnalitas.

Humans are different from other animals in that their natural

evolution was interfered with in some way thousands of years ago

and 'sub-humans' and 'mixed hominids' were mixed again to produce

the 'human being' in at time of almost complete depopulation on the

planet.

 

This has the effect of leaving modern humans with more animal traits

than as if there had been a natural evolution. The previous life of

every human is in their samskaras any way including previous animal

lives. It is these samskaras or intstinctive drives that interfere

with the development of Daya or compassion, and hence

prevent 'realisation'. They are an impediment accompanied with

cognitive dissonance carnalitas..........Humans are 1. animal. 2.

aspiring human.3 human. 4.'divine human'..Intelligence and IQ are not

related to this only the state of awareness in the

vijnanamayakosa...........Cheers Tony.

 

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