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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

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, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs@> wrote:

>

> Dear Tony,

>  

> From the highest perspective you are right. But Bhagavan

often gave teaching statements at a lower perspective to be regarded

as true, in order to help people stuck in the position they were

in. Absolute statements might be given at a later stage. There is no

doubt that Iswara (Almighty God), an adjunct of Brahman for

governing the world (samsara) plays a very powerful part in our

lives, until we reach the ultimate stage which you quote and

Bhagavan describes.

>  

> All regards,

>  

> Alan .

 

Namaste Alan,

 

Except for people who are not mentally developed, the concept of

Iswara is really redundant for non dualists. There is no Iswara doing

anything even if we accept a certain amount of validity to illusion.

 

Praying to Iswara results in a good feeling perhaps, but Saguna only

provides the energy not the will to act or act.

 

Within the illusion of the 3 worlds there is more chance of a Deva or

Angel Spirit being of some use than the concept of Iswara. Remember

Krishna and the two birds on the bough, one is observing only---that

is Iswara doing nothing..........Ramana talked at the level of mind

of his interviewees, that doesn't mean it has to be accepted as

gospel by seekers........

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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs@> wrote:

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> Dear Tony,

>  

> I love your postings but you tend always to take an absolute

standpoint . The term Devotee has been used consistently right

through The Guru-Pupil relationship, with Bhagavan's consent. It

means we are devoted to the Guru and his Teaching. In the Bhakti-Marg

one can use Dualistic terms.

>  

> Love,

>  

> Alan

>

> --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Tony OClery <aoclery@> wrote:

>

> Tony OClery <aoclery@>

> Re: From Padamalai by

Muruganar

>

> Thursday, 15 January, 2009, 7:58 PM

, Alan Jacobs

> <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > From Padamalai P.26 V 18

> >

> > From Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations

> >

> > GIVE ME YOUR BURDENS

> >

> > Abandon the drama of the world and seek the Self within.

Remaining

> within, I will protect you, ensuring that no harm befalls you.

> >

> > -oOo-

> >

> > *Note:

> >

> > Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the

Guru)

> from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's

> Utterances, which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature

> seeker it is translated by Robert Butler the Tamil scholar, who I

am

> pleased to tell you has now joined this site. We look forward to,

and

> welcome, his participation.

> >

> > This book is Published by Ramanasramam.

> >

> Namaste,

>

> If one is a true devotee of Ramana's teachings then one cannot call

> oneself a devotee at all as that is dualistic. Ramana taught there

> levels of creation...1. Somebody a 'God' created it all.2 It rises

> with our perception of it and 3. Ajativada--- --it never happened

at

> all. Ramana said 3 is the truth but that most could't grasp

> that...>

Namaste,

 

Ramana said a lot of different things to different mindsets. One

should never interpret Ramana's silence, tolerance or anything else

for as verification of one's personal viewpoint. Ramana's words are

absolutely clear as to what the thought and what he tolerated...Chees

 

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