Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: , " karla " <docdanes@> wrote: > > Of course I have to throw my two cents in, for a Hermit, I do write a lot. My social life and I don't have to leave my environment. I think a person who has reached a certain level of development, does give off an energy, a vibration or something that has a positive effect on the people around them. It may not be worship but a desire to be in the presence of a Guru and respect for that person for what he had to offer those who sought his help. Namaste Karla, But this is all within illusion, and delusion. It is a delusion in the first place to think that another person can be ultimately different from you...that is dualism.-the basis of all religions. Being in the aura of somebody else doesn't cut it----one has to cut it oneself. At the level of the animal and human animal the Guru and having Darshan are fine and par for the course...No matter how much an energy is given off from a person, it really is coming from within oneself,,,,and the feeling doesn't last as we all know.... I may sound negative to some but it is just neti neti --not thism not this...It is may sadhan to deny everything that is manifest as being real. Devotion or Bhakti is fine but only those that have realised are Bhaktas the rest are caught in emotion,,,,and results in becoming a dweller of Brahmaloka so to speak not realisatin---due to the duality. I only talk like this on forums that are dedicated to the great non dualists as per Ramana..........Cheers --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: , " karla " <docdanes@> wrote: > > I am of the opinion that you speak from ignorance. Yes, this is an illusion, but it is a very real illusion to most and full of emotion and life experiences. While we walk on this earth it is necessary to deal with the problems that confront us. If we understand that the real reality is behind the veil, it is easier to approach life without the emotions of fear, anger, self gratification etc. We can connect with the love and peace and walk through the hardships of this life knowing this is temporary and not really that important. That we are not alone, and we will be taken care of. Your thoughts are scattered. Dualism, Illusion, the bases of all religions. I try not to judge religions too much. For most, religion helps to form the initial understanding of right from wrong and an understanding that we are not alone. Maybe not worrying so much with what is going on with everyone else, you can devote more time to looking inside of yourself for a better understanding of what is going on in the world around you. Others frequently reflect back to you what you are yourself. You see in the world around you what maybe a defect in yourself. I know I am being a little harsh. But, I really think some time quieting your mind would help, I sense a little hostility in some of your posts. Try to watch a sunset with a quiet appreciation and joy. Love and Light, and I really mean it. k Namaste, There is no hostility in my posts that is your perception of my directness...Truth in the main is always painful to attachments. Right and wrong can be taught without religion as they were for millions of years. For as Shakespeare said...there is no right nor wrong but thinking that makes it so. I actully don't care what people do as long as they don't scare the horses. What you express is illusion and really delusion, there is nothing behind the veil looking out for you. This is the learning process that anything other than you ie.God, Devas etc are only as real as you think that you are........ There is nothing going on in the world. 1. We start out life thinking we are making things happen. 2. Next we realise that things are actually happening to us and we are not making anything happen. 3. The final truth that nothing is happening at all. May mystics, sufis, and others have burnt at the stake of martyred for uttering these truths.......Even Jesus was condemned for blasphemy. Then we have martyrs like Mansour and others. It is not necessary per se to deal with lifes problems. If you don't deal with them they will still be there. We have to rise above them so to speak and let them take care of themselves........ There is nothing truer than the expression 'Ignorance is bliss'..for rising above knowing is bliss and the final impediment to realisation. .....Cheers Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: , andreas farsatis <born010405@> wrote: > > Namaste, >  > this morning i had a sincere Satsangh here in tiru > with Ganeschan,he pointed out how extraordinary compassionate was >  Sri Ramana, and also said that wisdom and realisation would be worthless without > compassion,and that compassion is the very essence > of true spirituality.. >  > Does that mean anything to you Tony? >  > In His compassion and Grace, >  > Sandosham. >  Namaste, Compassion in the end has to be overcome as it is an emotion and a aspect of the mind. Ramana's compassion was no doubt tolerance as well. One must remember the body/mind complex of Ramana still had its karmas to complete. Compassion is not pollyanna emotion, but recognising that 'All is One' and not doing harm..By realising all is one the ego is reduced----that is the reason for compassion. Sometimes compassion can be painful..........It is all delusion to be overcome anyway................. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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