Fwd: Tony Cohen / Tolle interview

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Jodi " <jodianne2@> wrote:

>

> " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste ts,

> >

> > Thereby hangs the tail! You have it right leave the so

> > called 'creator' out of it..There is no creator creating anyway.

> > Humans displace psychologically all the time. Even in daily life

> > there is always that problem.

> > In my life I had energy or K experiences from a young age. I

thought

> > they were coming from a rock I was leaning against or whatever.

> > Even after I had lapsed out of religion and really only

> > believed 'God' was an energy, I got caught up again.

> >

> > One time I had a really signifcant energy K experience and didn't

> > understand it. I only had the feeling of it must be 'God'. So

> > displaced my Catholic indoctrination on to the experience, even

> > though I wasn't going to Church or anything, the indoctrination

> > samskaras were still there. This experience led me to buy a

family

> > Bible go to Mass a few times, take the kids, baptise this and

> > sacraments that for a couple of years.

> >

> > Then it wore off and I didn't return to 'Spirituality' for a

couple

> > of years then I got into yoga meditation, different philosophies

and

> > Vedanta. Eventually I progressed through the divestment process

until

> > I ended up with Ajativasa and Para-Advaita..

> >

> > However it took a long time to get rid of the programming that I

> > rec'd as a child, and even when I got into the Guru thing for a

> > while, I was still using the old Catholic ritual samskaras in the

> > Hindu fashion, and getting new ones, -----before I woke up to it

all.

> >

> > Humans do this all the time, displace the image of a Guru on to

their

> > own 'upper mind' and that hooks them in. Same with K experiences

etc

> > one can only fall back on one's original programming until one

can

> > get an awareness about it all.

> >

> > So I started out Irish Catholic...then lapsed and didn't have any

> > religion. Then had a strong K experience and went back to what I

> > knew, but it didn't stand investigation. Then I was into Eastern

> > stuff and got hooked into a Guru--so I was in the Hindu mode.

Then I

> > ditched that and ended up with Ajativada--took a lifetime

> > unfortunately, and in the meantime I was preaching each gospel

hahaha.

> >

> > I attribute my awareness rising to meditation..for as one

progressed

> > through the levels..the 'awareness' or awareness in the

> > vijnanamayakosa rises. Once one is in the true meditation of no

> > thought no mind there is no action of course...

> >

> > So it was a circle of being a child and not needing 'God', then

> > needing God or Religious ideas in different forms and then ending

up

> > like a child again and not needing the concept of God.

> >

> > I think Jesus said come to me as little children--indicating this

> > concept...........Cheers Tony.

>

> Hi Tony,

>

> I enjoyed reading what you wrote about your background above and

also

> in the subsequent reply to O in this thread.

>

> Because the terminology in your posts is often unfamiliar to me,

many

> times I don't understand what you write (although it's obvious that

> many others here do). Reading the above details, I have a better

idea

> of where you're coming from and will be able to fill in more blanks.

>

> Jodi

>

> P.S. No " go read this " or " go study this " suggestions from the

> audience re terminology please, that's really not up my alley--and

> besides my plate is very full presently.

>

> Cliche Woman

 

Namaste Jodi,

 

The terms are common yoga terms...awareness sheath, mental sheath etc.

I think the only thing that left a germinating vaccination against

total Irish-Catholic indoctrination was the fact that my Jewish

grandmother took me around meeting Jewish people and places. This in

the very least told me that there were alternatives. However I was

still programmed, and didn't understand the energies I felt. I was so

young I probably thought everybody had the same experience. Like kids

seeing auras, or spirits and not realising adults in the main don't

see them.

I realise now that the energies were cleansing pranas and not pure

Kundalini per se, as K is the universal mind and we are all part of

it. K or the rise of awareness can happen without hoopla

imperceptibly. However cleansing or k-prana is the active

manifestation that people seem to boast about. Like saying my floor

is really dirty and takes a lot of energy to clean it. Some leave the

floor dirty as they don't notice.....

 

I think my point Jodi was programming affects how we interpret

experiences...and there is much displacement...True religion or true

kundalini is the rise of awareness in the intellectual or awareness

sheath vijnanamayakosa..No need for 'God' or worship at all...How

after all did the first human to get realised do it? Only from in

himself or herself.............As there would't have been all the

overwhelming heights of superstition there is now with organised

realigion. There would only have been an awareness of oneself, humans

and the fact there were also 'Astral-Beings'...no invented concept of

a 'God' or 'Creator'...............Cheers

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