Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Here is a Posting from a relatively unknown book 'More Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi' published by Bangalore Centre for learning but available at Ramnasramam. It ir from the records of N.N.Rajan covering the period from 1940-1944 . P.28-29 Q. What are the roles of fate and free will in our life? ............. .. Bhagavan: Fate cannot arise without the free will, which is the origin. It causes its effect and shapes the destiny. Virtuous thoughts and actions bring favourable results. Likewise undesirable ones cause bad effects. First the mind should be made pure to avoid adverse reactions. Free-will should be exercised judiciously. When unfavourable destiny is at play, the mind also will not be pure. Mind goes the way of destiny. Virtuous thoughts bring in favourable destiny. Free-will and destiny are interlinked, in a limited way the fate can be altered by the force of free will. But,the present fate is due to past actions. The actions are already over and done with. How are you going to erase them now? ......Only spiritual wisdom and discrimination will solve the problem. Through Self Enquiry come to the decision about the real 'I'. Then there will be no problem. In the enlightened state, the seeker himself is no more. Fate and free-will become null and void. One is established in a state which transcends them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Here is a Posting from a relatively unknown book 'More Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi' published by Bangalore Centre for learning but available at Ramnasramam. It ir from the records of N.N.Rajan covering the period from 1940-1944 . > > P.28-29 > > Q. What are the roles of fate and free will in our life? > > ............ .. > > Bhagavan: > > Fate cannot arise without the free will, which is the origin. > > It causes its effect and shapes the destiny. > > Virtuous thoughts and actions bring favourable results. > > Likewise undesirable ones cause bad effects. > > First the mind should be made pure to avoid adverse reactions. > > Free-will should be exercised judiciously. > > When unfavourable destiny is at play, the mind also will not be pure. > > Mind goes the way of destiny. > > Virtuous thoughts bring in favourable destiny. > > Free-will and destiny are interlinked, in a limited way the fate can be altered by the force of free will. > > But,the present fate is due to past actions. > > The actions are already over and done with. > > How are you going to erase them now? > > .....Only spiritual wisdom and discrimination will solve the problem. > > Through Self Enquiry come to the decision about the real 'I'. > > Then there will be no problem. > > In the enlightened state, the seeker himself is no more. > > Fate and free-will become null and void. > > One is established in a state which transcends them. > Namaste, The bone of contention I have with this is there is no time, everything happens at once. So only our attitude can be adjusted as it comes from a non time mind level. As far as karma is concerned we also live on a chaotic accident plane so not everything is karma as such...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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