A discussion on semantics and Nir Vikalpa Samadhis

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Harsha,

 

I am pretty well aware of the full spectrum of what Ramana taught as you well

know.. This I took from your url there.

 

p. 105: " Samadhi transcends mind and speech, and cannot be described. For

example, the state of deep slumber cannot be described; samadhi state can still

less be explained…..Consciousness and unconsciousness are only modes of the

mind. Samadhi transcends the mind. "

 

Therefore any 'experience' of samadhi cannot be Nir Vikalpa by definition. As

true Nirvikalpa is above mind, memory and experience.Many people I fear

experience blisses on the way back down so to speak, and many have a sameness or

samadhi with the universal energy and remember that feeling of unity and being.

That would be a Sa vikalpa samadhi, often apparently mistaken for Nir Vikalpa.

 

For one's ego will remember the last stage prior to Nir Vikalpa but one cannot

remember anything above mind. Even this appearance doesn't exist above mind for

it needs a mind to project it. So nobody can say they remember Nir ViKalpa, any

more than they can say they experienced Nir Guna...

 

There is a problem here with semantics obviously, but essentially there is mind

and only mind in illusion. And one can be in it or above it so to speak. So any

bliss or experience belongs to the realm of Saguna....even if it is samadhi with

the universal energy or sakti.

 

I cannot say I remember or have proof of an experience in true samadhi as there

is no mind or memory........

 

Also all this pertains to a Jnani who has a body, the Sakti uses the

vijnanamayakosa as the vehicle so is aware of everything in itself, as one. The

body/mind still carries out is inbuilt prarabda karma. The illusion and even

appearance drop with the body and that is the final truth.It never ever

happened.............Cheers Tony