Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Self-Knowledge

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Re: Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Self-Knowledge

 

 

advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

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> List Moderators' Note: Durgaji doesn't say that Ishwara is Nirguna and that is

your own interpretation. The moment when a word is spelled out to explain from

anyone including you, duality prevails! You are just repeating and starting

another cycle of oranges and apples!!

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> > advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

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> Namaste Durga,IMO.

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> Ishwara is not NirGuna as it is a personal god. The Maya sakti that you saying

is Nir Guna can only be Saguna. Nir Guna is inexplicable, and if Nir Guna

projects an appearance. that is duality so can only be Saguna.....It is easier

not to try and limit or describe Nir Guna and leave it as

inexplicable.....Otherwise one gets to the point of 'It never happened'. On can

only understand that concept after much effort and meditation etc.....Cheers

 

Namaste,

 

This is what Durga said: Which is an oxymoron.

 

" Ishwara is defined as brahman (nirguna), plus

the maya upadhi (the world, or the creation) " .

 

I know my interpretation of ParaAdvaita/Ajativada is unpopular amongst many who

are still into Bhakti or have residual beliefs from Bhakti. In fact many would

say that my interpretation is Buddhistic or that I am a Nastika or something.

What the moderator said above is true, once we try and describe NirGuna--duality

prevails. That is why the old masters were wise in referring to it in the

negative because that is all one can say about it neti neti NirGuna.

It seems that many cannot let go of the corner on the envelope of surrender, and

it is comforting in some way to not accept literally what NirGuna actually

means. Many continue to try and draw a connection between NirGuna and the Saguna

manifestation, when there isn't one. For if NirGuna projected the 'appearance'

of the world then it would require a mind and that is duality. As it is

impossible for NirGuna to have duality then it can never have happened at all.

That is the 'natural state' that Ramana refers to; A state above appearance

which is consciousness also.

 

Where does the appearance go to in Nirvikalpa Samadhi?...Cheers Tony.