Fwd: Anna hating her Life--Time to stand out in the rain all night.

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

 

> Trust me the guy does damned good shoving his own food down his mouth, I just

have to play cook & waitress and dresser and depends

> changer, housekeeper.

>

> It strange, just this morning I mentioned to Kim, my Middle East Peace friend

& driver (since I have no car) that my x was in the hospital for another

ablation, I told him I would have died 9 years ago, under the first surgery. He

said it's a matter of survival,

> yes, I often wonder how the Palestinians survive in that hell hole

> of a life that is forced upon them by Israelies (with U.S. help.)

>

> And I sure as hell do not want to survive to be an old woman, with

> her kids needing to change me, where my life is eating, drinking,

> shiting and sleeping. (And no more fornication ;-) (HA! That's all it is

really, anyway, the rest of it is ________.)

>

> I suppose it's always a matter of perspective if one lets it. Someone

> is always better off and someone is always worse off. Depends on which side

of the fence one is sitting on, the grass is greener thing.

>

> All this and we all end up toast or worm food anyway.

>

> ~A

>

Namaste,

 

Yes I think there has to be a time when attachment to the body and its desires

becomes a nuisance........I think If I was that old and useless I would stand

out in the rain all night...In old India they use to walk into the fire and end

it all....UG Krishnamurthi just stopped eating altogether...suicide is a Western

Idea full of concepts and ideas replete with heroic attempts at prolonging the

existence of the food body, even though it is decaying. A much more civilised

way would be to say goodbye and take some pills...that's what I probably would

do...depends on the state of the body at the time. A better way would be a deep

meditation and don't come back......Cheers

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > > Trust me the guy does damned good shoving his own food down his mouth, I

just have to play cook & waitress and dresser and depends

> > > changer, housekeeper.

> > >

> > > It strange, just this morning I mentioned to Kim, my Middle East Peace

friend & driver (since I have no car) that my x was in the hospital for another

ablation, I told him I would have died 9 years ago, under the first surgery. He

said it's a matter of survival,

> > > yes, I often wonder how the Palestinians survive in that hell hole

> > > of a life that is forced upon them by Israelies (with U.S. help.)

> > >

> > > And I sure as hell do not want to survive to be an old woman, with

> > > her kids needing to change me, where my life is eating, drinking,

> > > shiting and sleeping. (And no more fornication ;-) (HA! That's all it is

really, anyway, the rest of it is ________.)

> > >

> > > I suppose it's always a matter of perspective if one lets it. Someone

> > > is always better off and someone is always worse off. Depends on which

side of the fence one is sitting on, the grass is greener thing.

> > >

> > > All this and we all end up toast or worm food anyway.

> > >

> > > ~A

> > >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Yes I think there has to be a time when attachment to the body and its

desires becomes a nuisance........I think If I was that old and useless I would

stand out in the rain all night...In old India they use to walk into the fire

and end it all....UG Krishnamurthi just stopped eating altogether...suicide is a

Western Idea full of concepts and ideas replete with heroic attempts at

prolonging the existence of the food body, even though it is decaying. A much

more civilised way would be to say goodbye and take some pills...that's what I

probably would do...depends on the state of the body at the time. A better way

would be a deep meditation and don't come back......Cheers > >

>

>

> I like the deep meditation method myself, Tony. American Indians also went

off into the wild when *useless*.

>

> See this is where it gets tricky in our culture. There's a whole economy

structured from keeping old folks *alive* as long as they can. In the first

assisted living place and lady I worked with was in active death stages,

however, the nurses (I'm sure were told) did not give her any pain management

though she was clearly in distress, once they did, after I had an argument with

one, and a discussion with my employer (I work for the patient's best interest,

after all) she was given whatever medication and she died soon afterward. An

empty two rooms in a very upscale, costly facility.

>

> The other side of the equation is as long as a patient wants to continue life

(I've seen 85 yr olds survive next-to-impossible surgery and *live* for a few

months longer. For what end?

> Not for me to say.

>

> Life is precious. Even if Americans would live much better and create a

better society if *survival* of the fittest wasn't our

> mantra. If our culture wasn't so fearful of death; yet totally

> immersed in causing death worldwide by our arrogant and ignorant

> exploitation of resources and people.

>

> ~A

 

Namaste,

 

Human Life is not precious it is a delusion....There are 6.5 Billion on the

planet what is precious about that? What is precious is Ahimsa, and Daya not

religious mores, doctrines and principals. In the end even those clinging to

life will wish for the comfort of death. Attachment is the problem and always

the problem, as life is an addiction and people don't want to give it up.They

have thirst for life or Tanha!! Also fear comes in as most don't know what is

going to happen to them after death.Nisargadatta Maharaj says , " Destiny is the

result of causes,mostly accidental and therefore loosely woven. Confidence and

good hope will overcome it easily'.

 

The best escape is realisation......

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

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> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

>

> snip

>

> > The best escape is realisation......

>

>

> After realization, the *realization* is: there is no escape for/from life

until death.

>

> Or as it has been said: chopping wood and carrying water.

>

> Om Shanti Om.

>

> ~A

 

Namaste Anna,

 

There is no personality after realisation....you have realised what you always

were and the body will do the things the body does, without your ego

consciousness...................'Life' is just the sentence one gives oneself in

a body that's all...Cheers Tony.

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

>

> > >

> > > ~A

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Human Life is not precious it is a delusion....There are 6.5 Billion on the

planet what is precious about that? What is precious is Ahimsa, and Daya not

religious mores, doctrines and principals. In the end even those clinging to

life will wish for the comfort of death. Attachment is the problem and always

the problem, as life is an addiction and people don't want to give it up.They

have thirst for life or Tanha!! Also fear comes in as most don't know what is

going to happen to them after death.Nisargadatta Maharaj says , " Destiny is the

result of causes,mostly accidental and therefore loosely woven. Confidence and

good hope will overcome it easily'.

> >

> > The best escape is realisation......

> >

>

>

> Bullshit... your wife and children are not precious? grandchildren?

>

> every one has a family. and some loved ones. or nearly everyone.

>

> I reiterate: THERE IS NO ESCAPE. And that is liberation.

>

> How is it for you, this realization? I mean in your daily real life.

>

> How do YOU translate it?

 

Namaste,Anne,

 

It the nature of duality to be attached and grieve and all the other conditions.

My wife and children and grandchildren are precious to this body only....One has

to understand that is what is going on and that the real you has nothing to do

with relations or relatives.

Anna you may be too much involved with the remnants of organised religions and

their ideas........as Niz says there is no such thing as a true

idea..........Cheers Tony.

 

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