Fwd: Kosas Never Lie. Madame Blavatsky

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GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

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> GuruRatings , " Gary Falk " <dukeofdharma@> wrote:

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> > GuruRatings , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > Speaking of snippets of gossip...(close your ears, pure ones!)...I seem

to recall that when I went to Gangaji's satsang in Black Mountain, North

Carolina, sometime around 1996 or so, someone raised the Andrew situation and

asked whether or not Papaji had " lied " about Andrew being enlightened, and

eventhough I don't remember the exact exchange, I do remember Gangaji saying

that " all gurus lie. "

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> > > > Which didn't surprise me at all, since I have had a very lying guru of

my own, and I could easily see the " skillful means " or " crazy wisdom "

rationalization for all sorts of seemingly undivine behavior on the part of

those whose heads we mistakenly place a notch or two above our own.

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> > > > Garyji (who lies 24/7 according to some experts, hahaha)

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> > > The only difference between you and a so called guru is one has seen the

essential emptiness of self....the other hasn't.

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> > > toombaru

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> > Well as Durgaji and Matthew and possibly others have pointed out, merely

getting a glimpse into the essential emptiness of self doesn't make one either

" enlightened " or a guru.

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> > I can vouch for this based on my direct experience of satchitananda or

existence/consciousness/bliss, which lasted probably about all of 3 or 4 or

maybe 5 seconds, if that.

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> > The self is empty, in the very same way the ALL dharmas are.

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> > It's really not that big of a deal.

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> > Would I lie?

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> > Garyji

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> Namaste Gary,

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> How do you know that the few seconds wasn't just one of the sheaths energy to

anandamayakosa? If it was a mergence with the Sakti at an awareness level...then

that may be a step..On one occasion I returned from meditation and was in a non

dual state for about an hour, but it wasn't really non dual as I experienced and

remembered it...Tony.

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Namo! Namo!

 

Now that I think of it, that's probably just what it was.

 

Yes, there was still the subject-object-action threesome, so really, ultimately

it was still just another obstruction, although it was a VERY memorable

experience.

 

But like ALL experiences, it wasn't the real thing, or real no-thing, as it

were.

 

And needless to say, like all expereriences, it had the mark of

impermanence....yeah, it lasted not much more than 5 seconds, although it has to

rank right up there with my very favorite spiritual experiences of all time,

that's for sure.

 

 

Garyji

 

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