Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 advaitin , " sureshbalaraman " <sureshbalaraman wrote: > > shri ramakrishna ji : > > >>I do not agree with the classification in your mail, which puts fish and > eggs in rAjasik category. My understanding is that they are tAmasik nature > as they are 'gatarasaM' (lacking in their essence) as explained in 17.10, > with essence being interpreted as life, and using jiivanaM sarvabhuuteshhu > (I am the Life in all beings) of 7.9. This answers the ahiMsa point > mentioned in the above paragraph. Who is a Vedantic seeker who does not see life everywhere?<< > > IMHO,food classification plays an important role.But gunas transcends the food that we eat.Its a section of people,who have classified fish,eggs,animal flesh..etc as non-vegetarian and vegetables,rice,noodles,cereals,grains ..etc as vegetarians. > > Despite such classifications,gunas are not tied up to food classifications.A vegetarian equally displays tamasic as well as rajasic gunams.A non-vegetarian equally displays a saathvic gunam. > > As a Vedantic seeker of advaitham,where is the duality in all. > > I have taken liberty to participate in your discussion,with the other gentleman.Thanks. > > suresh. Namaste,Suresh, I for one am a lacto ovo vegetarian,,,,that is I eat cheese, 'unfertilised non battery eggs' and milk products. Fish is an animal, so not suitable to vegetarians. Animals have an entity in them, eggs do not, in the early stages. We can only do the best we can... Ahimsa should be the rule.. ...A vegetable reacts but doesn't have the nervous system to endure pain like an animal that has its entity already entered..We kill when we breath or walk, ask the Jains; So we can only do our best....don't eat anything with a face, or your friends.All is life or consciousness anyway but the evolved manifestation in illusion is different. Some foods are tamasic but nothing as tamasic as some people's characters..Hitler was a vegetarian so what does that mean? Meat eating is a learned experience and an addiction like any other addiction/attachment. ...Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Hitler was not a vegetarian. He routinely ate Liver Dumplings and also the occasional slices of Ham. He understood and appreciated the benefits of a vegetarian diet and commented on that, which is undoubtedly how this tenaciously persistent myth evolved, but using current terminology, he would be what we call a flexitarian - many of whom, we all know, like to call themselves vegetarians (on their good days) in spite of regularly eating fish, poultry and sometimes even pork.Also, I agree with Tony, as a long time vegetarian myself, I am always confused as to how many people like to de-anamalize fish into something without either a brain or the ability to feel pain. It is equall parts absurd and convenient for the psuedo-vegetarian, not unlike the way Hitler de-humanized the jews into something less than human before he killed them.Tony OClery <aocleryadvaitajnana Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:57:22 AM Gita and vegetarianism etc advaitin@ s.com, "sureshbalaraman" <sureshbalaraman@ ...> wrote: > > shri ramakrishna ji : > > >>I do not agree with the classification in your mail, which puts fish and > eggs in rAjasik category. My understanding is that they are tAmasik nature > as they are 'gatarasaM' (lacking in their essence) as explained in 17.10, > with essence being interpreted as life, and using jiivanaM sarvabhuuteshhu > (I am the Life in all beings) of 7.9. This answers the ahiMsa point > mentioned in the above paragraph. Who is a Vedantic seeker who does not see life everywhere?< < > > IMHO,food classification plays an important role.But gunas transcends the food that we eat.Its a section of people,who have classified fish,eggs,animal flesh..etc as non-vegetarian and vegetables,rice, noodles,cereals, grains ..etc as vegetarians. > > Despite such classifications, gunas are not tied up to food classifications. A vegetarian equally displays tamasic as well as rajasic gunams.A non-vegetarian equally displays a saathvic gunam. > > As a Vedantic seeker of advaitham,where is the duality in all. > > I have taken liberty to participate in your discussion,with the other gentleman.Thanks. > > suresh. Namaste,Suresh, I for one am a lacto ovo vegetarian,, ,,that is I eat cheese, 'unfertilised non battery eggs' and milk products. Fish is an animal, so not suitable to vegetarians. Animals have an entity in them, eggs do not, in the early stages. We can only do the best we can... Ahimsa should be the rule.. ...A vegetable reacts but doesn't have the nervous system to endure pain like an animal that has its entity already entered..We kill when we breath or walk, ask the Jains; So we can only do our best....don' t eat anything with a face, or your friends.All is life or consciousness anyway but the evolved manifestation in illusion is different. Some foods are tamasic but nothing as tamasic as some people's characters.. Hitler was a vegetarian so what does that mean? Meat eating is a learned experience and an addiction like any other addiction/attachmen t. ...Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 advaitajnana , " Mark C. " <mrc303 wrote: > > Hitler was not a vegetarian. He routinely ate Liver Dumplings and also the occasional slices of Ham. He understood and appreciated the benefits of a vegetarian diet and commented on that, which is undoubtedly how this tenaciously persistent myth evolved, but using current terminology, he would be what we call a flexitarian - many of whom, we all know, like to call themselves vegetarians (on their good days) in spite of regularly eating fish, poultry and sometimes even pork. > > Also, I agree with Tony, as a long time vegetarian myself, I am always confused as to how many people like to de-anamalize fish into something without either a brain or the ability to feel pain. It is equall parts absurd and convenient for the psuedo-vegetarian, not unlike the way Hitler de-humanized the jews into something less than human before he killed them. > > > > > ________________________________ > Tony OClery <aoclery > advaitajnana > Friday, July 10, 2009 9:57:22 AM > Gita and vegetarianism etc > > > > > > advaitin@ s.com, " sureshbalaraman " <sureshbalaraman@ ...> wrote: > > > > shri ramakrishna ji : > > > > >>I do not agree with the classification in your mail, which puts fish and > > eggs in rAjasik category. My understanding is that they are tAmasik nature > > as they are 'gatarasaM' (lacking in their essence) as explained in 17.10, > > with essence being interpreted as life, and using jiivanaM sarvabhuuteshhu > > (I am the Life in all beings) of 7.9. This answers the ahiMsa point > > mentioned in the above paragraph. Who is a Vedantic seeker who does not see life everywhere?< < > > > > IMHO,food classification plays an important role.But gunas transcends the food that we eat.Its a section of people,who have classified fish,eggs,animal flesh..etc as non-vegetarian and vegetables,rice, noodles,cereals, grains ..etc as vegetarians. > > > > Despite such classifications, gunas are not tied up to food classifications. A vegetarian equally displays tamasic as well as rajasic gunams.A non-vegetarian equally displays a saathvic gunam. > > > > As a Vedantic seeker of advaitham,where is the duality in all. > > > > I have taken liberty to participate in your discussion,with the other gentleman.Thanks. > > > > suresh. > > Namaste,Suresh, > > I for one am a lacto ovo vegetarian,, ,,that is I eat cheese, 'unfertilised non battery eggs' and milk products. Fish is an animal, so not suitable to vegetarians. > Animals have an entity in them, eggs do not, in the early stages. We can only do the best we can... > > Ahimsa should be the rule.. > > ..A vegetable reacts but doesn't have the nervous system to endure pain like an animal that has its entity already entered..We kill when we breath or walk, ask the Jains; So we can only do our best....don' t eat anything with a face, or your friends.All is life or consciousness anyway but the evolved manifestation in illusion is different. > > Some foods are tamasic but nothing as tamasic as some people's characters.. Hitler was a vegetarian so what does that mean? > > Meat eating is a learned experience and an addiction like any other addiction/attachmen t. ...Cheers Tony. Namaste Marc, Thanks for the elucidation on Hitler, mind you the world is full of examples of tamasic vegetarians, so food alone isn't enough to concentrate on. People like to fish, and people always 'dehumanise' anything they wish to kill or eat.............I'm afraid 95% of humanity is still at the human-animal level...........Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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