Trick Questions (Ramana Maharshi about young prodigies and genius people)

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advaitajnana , " duveyoung " <edg wrote:

>

> I think all the below questions pertain to this thread. If one cannot easily

answer these questions, then perhaps it means that one's clarity about

incarnation is fuzzy at best, and therefore, perhaps this quote from Ramana is

not actually all that easily understood.

>

> Not that one needs to have intellectual clarity to realize one's ultimate

Identity, but if one is to post herein about such concepts as karma and

incarnation, surely the person -- if such exists here -- who could answer the

questions below in an intellectually satisfying and logically valid way would be

a more natural choice for a teacher than one who cannot do so.

>

> Therefore, calling all wannabe teachers -- pray tell us the answers to the

below -- or at least show the questions to be faulty in some regard such that

they must be reworded or dismissed outrightly.

>

> The questions are designed to show the logical relationships between the

various concepts of Advaita, and it would be intellectual cowardice to brush all

these questions aside simply because we can eradicate the need to entertain any

question at all by bashing " questions in general " with the concept " The

Absolute. "

>

> These questions are for those who would examine the mirage as it is seen by

the " tricked mind. " These questions are as if you and I are crawling in the

desert towards a mirage, and I ask how many trees do you see in that oasis on

the horizon? The oasis may not exist, and we may be fools to crawl in the

desert towards such, but at least we can agree on how many trees, etc. we see

such that we know we're both talking about the same mirage, right? Just so

these questions below. If we cannot answer the questions below, then, who can

pose as one who can say, " I understand Ramana's statement. " ????

>

> 1. If you have a dream about a man whom you know in waking life, is that dream

character connected in any way with the waking life 3D person?

>

> 2. Does the sleeping brain construct objects of dream consciousness solely

from past waking experiences of them, or is the human brain so constructed, say,

like a radio, that it gets the " construction instructions " from elsewhere and is

more of a receiver than a creator?

>

> 3. When a baby is born how is it that the samskaras have been incorporated

into the baby's dynamics such that a personality of a precise sort is the baby's

destiny? When the baby's egg and sperm joined, is that when the samskaras were

assigned to it, or are the samskaras something that get structured by the

synergistic relationship of the egg's " karma " and the sperm's " karma " when they

are conjoined?

>

> 4. Does God dream? Or, is God dreamed? By whom would God be dreamed?

>

> 5. If you dream of a person you've never met, does this mean that somewhere,

somewhen, that person actually exists?

>

> 6. If you dream of the same person two nights in a row, is that dream person

really the same? Is God dreaming you like this?

>

> 7. Is dreaming actually an entering into the astral world, and all the

objects in the dream are true entities with destiny and karma? If a dream

character murders another dream character, has a sin been committed? Should one

wake up in the morning and be responsible for one's " actions during the dream? "

>

> 8. If one dreams of meeting Krishna, does Krishna actually get interacted

with, or is that " Krishna " merely an approximation of the brain and more akin to

a two year old's crayon drawing of God?

>

> 9. If one has a thought and then has that thought again, is that the same

thought or just another thought that fools one that an absolute congruity exists

between the two thoughts? If one mentally keeps the " sound " " OM " " going " in the

mind, is that the same sound iterated again and again or is it seamless and not

at all chunky/quantified? Is the " sound " " OM " one thought, or, two thoughts?

Is the " O " part of " OM " one thought and the " M " part another thought?

>

> 10. If Shiva dissolves creation, and then Brahma in His next life manifests

creation again, and there you are, is that you again or merely another creation

that your human intellect cannot tell apart from the previous you but that God's

intellect can easily distinguish the two yous? Does God assign the new you the

old you's karma?

>

> 11. They say that when an enlightened person drops the body, the good karma

" left over " goes to the person's loved ones, but the bad karma goes to the

person's enemies. Why would this be true or untrue?

>

> Edg

>

> advaitajnana , Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@>

wrote:

> >

> > Talk 384.

> >

> > A young prodigy was mentioned. Sri Bhagavan remarked that latent impressions

> > of previous births (purva janma samskara) were strong in him.

> >

> > D.: How does it manifest as the ability to cite well-known saints? Is it

> > vasana in the form of a seed only?

> >

> > M.: Yes. Predisposition (samskara) is acquired knowledge and kept in stock.

> > It manifests under favourable circumstances. One with strong samskara

> > understands the thing when presented to him much quicker than another with

> > no samskara or weak samskara.

> >

> > D.: Does it hold good with inventors also?

> >

> > M.: " There is nothing new under the sun. " What we call inventions or

> > discoveries are merely rediscoveries by competent men with strong samskara

> > in the directions under consideration.

> >

> > D.: Is it so with Newton, Einstein, etc.?

> >

> > M.: Yes. Certainly. But the samskaras, however strong, will not manifest

> > unless in a calm and still mind. It is within the experience of everyone

> > that his attempts to rake up his memory fail, whereas something flashes in

> > the mind when he is calm and quiet. Mental quiet is necessary even for

> > remembrance of forgotten things.

> >

> > The so-called genius is one who worked hard in his past births and acquired

> > knowledge and kept it in store as samskaras. He now concentrates his mind

> > until it merges in the subject. In that stillness the submerged ideas flash

> > out. That requires favourable conditions also.

> >

> > Source: TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI Book

> >

> > --

> > Love And Love Alone

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> > Prasanth Jalasutram

> >

 

Namaste Edg,

 

Talking within illusion or the dream...All is in the mind. The unrealised entity

waiting for rebirth enters the fetus probably between the 16-20 weeks more or

less, or even at birth...who knows? My guess is that as they have limited

precognition they would wait until the fetus is viable before 'entering'. So the

subtle body of the entity or kosa would contain the memories, attributes and

tendencies or vasanas and samskaras...This is all describing a dream of course

or Maya...........Cheers Tony.