Ramana Maharshi answers to How did the difference of karma come about in the very beginning?

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Thank you Prasanth for your postings . This message is indeed very profound and requires many readings.

 

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--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:

Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth Ramana Maharshi answers to How did the difference of karma come about in the very beginning?Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:21 PM

 

29th April, 1948This morning, at about 9 o’clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here yesterday, sat near Bhagavan’s couch and asked, “Swami, in the Gita, Lord Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the ‘doing’ only, and one’s self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the ‘doer’, the ‘doing’ and the ‘deed’ (karta, karma and karyam); though ‘doing’ (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the ‘doer’, who is Ishwara. Why when He first created ‘doing’ (karma), did He create different karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made to function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in the very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

the ‘doing’ and to the ‘doer’ who is Ishwara, where does personal effort (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said that we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean?â€Bhagavan said,“Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen? Why has it arisen? First think that over and find out.â€The devotee: “Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that.â€Bhagavan: “That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the ‘doing’. I am the ‘doer’ watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It is your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means that He asks Arjuna

to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is he that is doing it. That is personal effort. The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one’s own ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that bondage is removed,action, under the orders of the ‘doer’, Ishwara, goes on of its own accord. Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically. Why should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the ‘doer’, yet it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he lost the feeling of being the ‘doer’ and the doubt he had had was no longer there. The work had to be done with that particular

body, and it was done. Even Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do? That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling that ‘I myself am doing’ is personal effort (purushakaram) . All spiritual practices (sadhanas) are towards that end.â€Another devotee: “That is all right. For this karma there must be a beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned.â€Bhagavan: “Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked ‘how did you get this?’ you say you have got it by ‘doing’ (karma). How were you born? By ‘doing’ (karma) that is all

that could be said. If, however, you ask how was this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions. This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam). The tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is the origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find out first how they were born and where they were born.â€O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin round according to their actions.-- Gita XVIII: 61Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His grace, you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.-- Gita XVIII: 62Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S. SASTRI

 

-- Om Namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth JalasutramLove And Love Alone

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29th April, 1948This morning, at about 9 o’clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here yesterday, sat near Bhagavan’s couch and asked, “Swami, in the Gita, Lord Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the ‘doing’ only, and one’s self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the ‘doer’, the ‘doing’ and the ‘deed’ (karta, karma and karyam); though ‘doing’ (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the ‘doer’, who is Ishwara. Why when He first created ‘doing’ (karma), did He create different karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made to function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in the very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to the ‘doing’ and to the ‘doer’ who is Ishwara, where does personal effort (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said that we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean?”

Bhagavan said,“Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen? Why has it arisen? First think that over and find out.”

The devotee: “Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that.”Bhagavan: “That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the ‘doing’. I am the ‘doer’ watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It is your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is he that is doing it. That is personal effort. 

The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one’s own ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that bondage is removed,action, under the orders of the ‘doer’, Ishwara, goes on of its own accord. 

Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically. Why should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the ‘doer’, yet it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he lost the feeling of being the ‘doer’ and the doubt he had had was no longer there. 

The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do? That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling that ‘I myself am doing’ is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual practices (sadhanas) are towards that end.”

Another devotee: “That is all right. For this karma there must be a beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned.”Bhagavan: “Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked ‘how did you get this?’ you say you have got it by ‘doing’ (karma). How were you born? By ‘doing’ (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how was this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions. 

This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam). The tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is the origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find out first how they were born and where they were born.”

O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin round according to their actions.

-- Gita XVIII: 61Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His grace, you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.-- Gita XVIII: 62Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S. SASTRI

-- Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Prasanth JalasutramLove And Love Alone

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Dear Prasath,

 

Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out from

www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another gyani purush.

 

And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are

answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.

 

 

kind regards,

Anita

 

 

, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth

wrote:

>

> 29th April, 1948

>

> This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here

> yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, " Swami, in the Gita, Lord

> Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and

> one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the

> `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though `doing'

> (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself

> (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is

> Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create different

> karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made to

> function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in the

> very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

> the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort

> (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said that

> we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean? "

>

> Bhagavan said, " Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen? Why

> has it arisen? First think that over and find out. "

>

> The devotee: " Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that. "

>

> Bhagavan: " That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna

> tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the `doing'. I

> am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It is

> your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

>

> No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means

> that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is he

> that is doing it. That is personal effort.

>

> The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own

> ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one

> must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that bondage

> is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of its

> own accord.

>

> Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically. Why

> should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his

> relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer', yet

> it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he

> lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no longer

> there.

>

> The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even

> Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or

> otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not

> right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?

> That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is

> reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that

> some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling

> that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual

> practices (sadhanas) are towards that end. "

>

> Another devotee: " That is all right. For this karma there must be a

> beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned. "

>

> Bhagavan: " Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you get

> this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By

> `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how was

> this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.

>

> This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam). The

> tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is the

> origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be

> asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find out

> first how they were born and where they were born. "

>

> O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon

> the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin

> round according to their actions.

>

> -- Gita XVIII: 61

>

> Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His grace,

> you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.

>

> -- Gita XVIII: 62

>

>

> Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and

> Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S. SASTRI

>

> --

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

> Love And Love Alone

>

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Anita Ji,Unfortunately link is not working.Can you please resend the link once again please.-- Om Namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

Love And Love AloneOn Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasath,

 

Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out from www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another gyani purush.

 

And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.

 

kind regards,

Anita

 

, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:

>

> 29th April, 1948

>

> This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here

> yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, " Swami, in the Gita, Lord

> Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and

> one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the

> `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though `doing'

> (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself

> (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is

> Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create different

> karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made to

> function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in the

> very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

> the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort

> (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said that

> we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean? "

>

> Bhagavan said, " Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen? Why

> has it arisen? First think that over and find out. "

>

> The devotee: " Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that. "

>

> Bhagavan: " That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna

> tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the `doing'. I

> am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It is

> your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

>

> No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means

> that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is he

> that is doing it. That is personal effort.

>

> The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own

> ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one

> must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that bondage

> is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of its

> own accord.

>

> Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically. Why

> should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his

> relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer', yet

> it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he

> lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no longer

> there.

>

> The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even

> Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or

> otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not

> right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?

> That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is

> reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that

> some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling

> that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual

> practices (sadhanas) are towards that end. "

>

> Another devotee: " That is all right. For this karma there must be a

> beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned. "

>

> Bhagavan: " Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you get

> this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By

> `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how was

> this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.

>

> This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam). The

> tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is the

> origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be

> asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find out

> first how they were born and where they were born. "

>

> O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon

> the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin

> round according to their actions.

>

> -- Gita XVIII: 61

>

> Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His grace,

> you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.

>

> -- Gita XVIII: 62

>

>

> Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and

> Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S. SASTRI

>

> --

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

> Love And Love Alone

>

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here is the link Prasanth

 

http://www.self-realization.in/Books/self-realization-books-1.html

 

even if someone remembers the names of the books, it makes difference in one's

life...very good books

 

 

regards,

Anita

 

 

, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth

wrote:

>

> Anita Ji,

>

> Unfortunately link is not working.

>

> Can you please resend the link once again please.

>

> --

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

> Love And Love Alone

>

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Prasath,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out

> > from www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another

> > gyani purush.

> >

> > And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are

> > answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > 29th April, 1948

> > >

> > > This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here

> > > yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, " Swami, in the Gita, Lord

> > > Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and

> > > one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the

> > > `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though

> > `doing'

> > > (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself

> > > (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is

> > > Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create

> > different

> > > karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made

> > to

> > > function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in

> > the

> > > very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

> > > the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort

> > > (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said

> > that

> > > we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean? "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan said, " Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen?

> > Why

> > > has it arisen? First think that over and find out. "

> > >

> > > The devotee: " Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna

> > > tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the

> > `doing'. I

> > > am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It

> > is

> > > your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

> > >

> > > No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means

> > > that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is

> > he

> > > that is doing it. That is personal effort.

> > >

> > > The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own

> > > ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one

> > > must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that

> > bondage

> > > is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of

> > its

> > > own accord.

> > >

> > > Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically.

> > Why

> > > should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his

> > > relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer',

> > yet

> > > it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he

> > > lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no

> > longer

> > > there.

> > >

> > > The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even

> > > Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or

> > > otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not

> > > right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?

> > > That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is

> > > reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that

> > > some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling

> > > that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual

> > > practices (sadhanas) are towards that end. "

> > >

> > > Another devotee: " That is all right. For this karma there must be a

> > > beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you

> > get

> > > this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By

> > > `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how

> > was

> > > this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.

> > >

> > > This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam).

> > The

> > > tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is

> > the

> > > origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be

> > > asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find

> > out

> > > first how they were born and where they were born. "

> > >

> > > O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon

> > > the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin

> > > round according to their actions.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 61

> > >

> > > Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His

> > grace,

> > > you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 62

> > >

> > >

> > > Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and

> > > Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S.

> > SASTRI

> > >

> > > --

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> > > Prasanth Jalasutram

> > >

> > > Love And Love Alone

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Prasanth,

 

here is the link

http://www.self-realization.in/Books/self-realization-books-1.html

 

 

and some more info about karma - that confirms how our emotions attached to a

situation creates our future karma

 

 

Karma manifest its self in a number of areas of what we call life:

1. Physical Karma

2. Emotional Karma

3. Mental Karma.

Physical, emotional and Mental Karma covers the following:

1. Lack of sight, those who are blind

2. Lack of hearing, being deaf

3. Being lame, some form of body limitation

4. Disfigurement, some aspect of deformity

5. Other body problems

One of the best ways to show how Physical Karma will

manifest, is by giving some past lives reading that Edgar Cayce gave

to those who wrote in for help and some reasons of why one must go

through physical limitations.

A man asked EC (Edgar Cayce) for the cause of his blindness.

In the reading for this individual EC stated that the cause stems

from a life period in Persia. This individual was in charge of an

office where the tribe he was apart of; blinded their enemies. This

was the custom of this large tribe, and EC mentioned that his

willingness and emotional feeling toward this act that caused pain

was one of the reasons for his blindness in this life.

Comment: Some where in his nature in that period, he must

have felt some form of pleasure in giving the order to have this done

even though it was a custom of the tribe, for any emotional or mental

feeling or thought toward another individual where pain or suffering

is the result; will set in motion a reaction to oneself. It may take

a number of lives before it comes due, for the right environment is

needed. One's higher self chooses the physical karma so to speak for

the life pattern for their next life cycle. Thus if one is in a job

where an act of harm must take place, or one must go to war to fight,

do your job, but keep a state of non-attachment and ask for

forgiveness from one spirit to another.

 

Do not feel pride or a sense of superiority or joy in any such work

or job that will or may bring pain, suffering or sorrow to another

individual or for that matter to any other form of life, such as the

animal kingdom. The American Indian had the right IDEA; before they

would go out to take an animal for food only, or to destroy a plant

life; they would pray to the spirit of that animal or plant for

forgiveness for taking its life force. That act taught the Indian

Children respect for life and all living things. Even the ground was

considered holy and was thus respected also.

 

In another case of physical Karma was from a girl who was afflicted

with infantile paralysis at the age of one. This affliction was

created in a life period in Atlantis where she was by some means

either through hypnosis, drugs, etc to make individuals weak in limb

in order to be followers only.

Comment: We know that infantile paralysis is a nerve disorder

of the body where one is weak in certain limbs or body parts and that

there is a certain blockage of the nerve to that limb. Thus making it

basically useless. Again we see the abuse of another for the sake of

enslavement or to do one's will. When mankind learns that one's

motives, thoughts, attitudes are negative in expression, then that

action will play a very large part in any action that one takes place

toward another, can and will result in a physical limitation of some

sort. If one sees and sense the pain and hardships of one who has a

physical problem and is thankful that they are not in that position;

then don't do anything that will bring on that condition in a future

life period for yourself. Remain pure in thought also.

Give a prayer for the soul so they can be help from the other side in

accordance with the Will of GOD. Help if help is needed, but do not

judge the condition or the person. Also do not look down on one

either or feel superior, for if you do, you may find yourself in that

same condition.

 

This case deals with allergies. A women of forty had allergies since

childhood, mainly from certain foods. Mainly bread, cereal grains and

also when coming into contact with certain type of materials such as

shoe leather and plastic rims of glasses. She experienced

excruciating pains in her left side. This was due to a past life

where she was a chemist and caused others to etch and also used

certain substances that caused the breath or the air to be poisonous.

Comment: She worked in a job that she knew would caused

health problems to others and continued to do so knowing she was

adding to another individual suffering. How many work in atomic

plants today and do not speak up due to the fact that they would get

fired. We live in such a world where no one cares about another

person health or general welfare. How long will it take before the

majority sees what is happening to them?

 

In this case the person had digestive weakness since a child. The

cause was continued during the period of Louis XII in France. He was

at that time an adviser on the Kings wardrobe. His weakness in that

life was gluttony, and was a carry over from a life in Persia.

Comment: Why are individuals having trouble in losing weight?

One cause is that one eats the wrong food all the time and also they

use food to satisfy their emotional pain and sexual cravings. Thus as

one ages, pounds are put on and digestive problems come about. Food

should be used to feed the body with minerals and vitamins. Fast food

is a no, no, and if one wants to grow spiritually one must feed the

body with Vegetables, fruits, grains, nuts. Organic if one can get

it. Otherwise one will have problems in a future life or even in this

life. Also two basic meals should help one if they are serious in

working in the light and the food they eat must be balance. One

should eat for the right reasons not the wrong ones. Sorry of the

food lecture.

 

This case deals with Anemia. In a life period in Peru, this

individual took control of the country he belong too and became its

ruler. In the operation for this control there was much bloodletting.

In other words, a lot of people were killed to satisfy his ego to be

the head ruler of his nation.

Comment: One can look at history and see why many individuals

today have blood problems. Many who went to war in there past lives

and who enjoyed the killing of others and the letting of blood will

more than likely will have some sort of blood problems. Hating one's

enemies and enjoying the killing of them and seeing the blood flow

from their bodies will surely bring about a Karmic condition that

will relate to one's blood.

Some closing comments; These few cases show that one's Karma

is created from past actions that are combined with some aspect of

emotions and attitudes of one's nature. If you hate something, then

the thing you hate will more than likely will manifest pain and

suffering in your life in a future life cycle. Why create negative

Karma when it is so much easier to create Positive Karma by putting

forth those qualities that speak of Universal Unconditional Love.

 

Gene

 

 

, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth

wrote:

>

> Anita Ji,

>

> Unfortunately link is not working.

>

> Can you please resend the link once again please.

>

> --

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

> Love And Love Alone

>

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Prasath,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out

> > from www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another

> > gyani purush.

> >

> > And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are

> > answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > 29th April, 1948

> > >

> > > This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here

> > > yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, " Swami, in the Gita, Lord

> > > Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and

> > > one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the

> > > `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though

> > `doing'

> > > (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself

> > > (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is

> > > Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create

> > different

> > > karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made

> > to

> > > function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in

> > the

> > > very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

> > > the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort

> > > (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said

> > that

> > > we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean? "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan said, " Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen?

> > Why

> > > has it arisen? First think that over and find out. "

> > >

> > > The devotee: " Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna

> > > tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the

> > `doing'. I

> > > am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It

> > is

> > > your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

> > >

> > > No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means

> > > that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is

> > he

> > > that is doing it. That is personal effort.

> > >

> > > The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own

> > > ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one

> > > must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that

> > bondage

> > > is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of

> > its

> > > own accord.

> > >

> > > Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically.

> > Why

> > > should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his

> > > relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer',

> > yet

> > > it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he

> > > lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no

> > longer

> > > there.

> > >

> > > The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even

> > > Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or

> > > otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not

> > > right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?

> > > That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is

> > > reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that

> > > some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling

> > > that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual

> > > practices (sadhanas) are towards that end. "

> > >

> > > Another devotee: " That is all right. For this karma there must be a

> > > beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you

> > get

> > > this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By

> > > `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how

> > was

> > > this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.

> > >

> > > This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam).

> > The

> > > tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is

> > the

> > > origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be

> > > asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find

> > out

> > > first how they were born and where they were born. "

> > >

> > > O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon

> > > the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin

> > > round according to their actions.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 61

> > >

> > > Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His

> > grace,

> > > you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 62

> > >

> > >

> > > Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and

> > > Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S.

> > SASTRI

> > >

> > > --

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> > > Prasanth Jalasutram

> > >

> > > Love And Love Alone

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita Ji,Thanks a lot for the link.-- Om Namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth JalasutramLove And Love AloneOn Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

here is the link Prasanth

 

http://www.self-realization.in/Books/self-realization-books-1.html

 

even if someone remembers the names of the books, it makes difference in one's life...very good books

 

regards,

Anita

 

, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:

>

> Anita Ji,

>

> Unfortunately link is not working.

>

> Can you please resend the link once again please.

>

> --

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

> Love And Love Alone

>

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Prasath,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out

> > from www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another

> > gyani purush.

> >

> > And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are

> > answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

 

> > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > 29th April, 1948

> > >

> > > This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here

> > > yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, " Swami, in the Gita, Lord

> > > Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and

> > > one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the

> > > `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though

> > `doing'

> > > (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself

> > > (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is

> > > Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create

> > different

> > > karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made

> > to

> > > function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in

> > the

> > > very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to

> > > the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort

> > > (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said

> > that

> > > we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean? "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan said, " Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen?

> > Why

> > > has it arisen? First think that over and find out. "

> > >

> > > The devotee: " Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna

> > > tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the

> > `doing'. I

> > > am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It

> > is

> > > your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?

> > >

> > > No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means

> > > that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is

> > he

> > > that is doing it. That is personal effort.

> > >

> > > The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own

> > > ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one

> > > must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that

> > bondage

> > > is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of

> > its

> > > own accord.

> > >

> > > Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically.

> > Why

> > > should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his

> > > relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer',

> > yet

> > > it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he

> > > lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no

> > longer

> > > there.

> > >

> > > The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even

> > > Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or

> > > otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not

> > > right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?

> > > That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is

> > > reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that

> > > some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling

> > > that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual

> > > practices (sadhanas) are towards that end. "

> > >

> > > Another devotee: " That is all right. For this karma there must be a

> > > beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned. "

> > >

> > > Bhagavan: " Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you

> > get

> > > this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By

> > > `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how

> > was

> > > this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.

> > >

> > > This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam).

> > The

> > > tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is

> > the

> > > origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be

> > > asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find

> > out

> > > first how they were born and where they were born. "

> > >

> > > O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon

> > > the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin

> > > round according to their actions.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 61

> > >

> > > Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His

> > grace,

> > > you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.

> > >

> > > -- Gita XVIII: 62

> > >

> > >

> > > Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and

> > > Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S.

> > SASTRI

> > >

> > > --

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> > > Prasanth Jalasutram

> > >

> > > Love And Love Alone

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita

 

wanted to let you know that this link works now - tku for sharing with us!

 

all the best

 

 

in JOY IN BEING

 

 

michael

 

 

-

Anita

Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:21 AM

Re: Ramana Maharshi answers to How did the difference of karma come about in the very beginning?

here is the link Prasanthhttp://www.self-realization.in/Books/self-realization-books-1.htmleven if someone remembers the names of the books, it makes difference in one's life...very good booksregards,Anita , Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:>> Anita Ji,> > Unfortunately link is not working.> > Can you please resend the link once again please.> > -- > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya> Prasanth Jalasutram> > Love And Love Alone> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anita <dahiya93 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Prasath,> >> > Thanks for sharing this knowledge, this is something I recently found out> > from www.self-realization.in/books same thing is said there by another> > gyani purush.> >> > And to find out same thing from another saint confirms the truth..these are> > answers which help you to understand how karma works and what ego is.> >> > kind regards,> > Anita> >> >> > <%40>,> > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@> wrote:> > >> > > 29th April, 1948> > >> > > This morning, at about 9 o'clock, a lawyer from Rayalaseema who came here> > > yesterday, sat near Bhagavan's couch and asked, "Swami, in the Gita, Lord> > > Krishna first said that everything is embraced in the `doing' only, and> > > one's self plays no role. Subsequently, He says that He Himself is the> > > `doer', the `doing' and the `deed' (karta, karma and karyam); though> > `doing'> > > (karma) is the most important of the three, it is ineffectual by itself> > > (jadam). If this is so, then everything depends upon the `doer', who is> > > Ishwara. Why when He first created `doing' (karma), did He create> > different> > > karmas for different people? It is said that afterwards everyone is made> > to> > > function according to his karma. How did this difference come about in> > the> > > very beginning? How did it arise? Not only that, if everything is left to> > > the `doing' and to the `doer' who is Ishwara, where does personal effort> > > (purushakaram) come in? If there is no personal effort, why is it said> > that> > > we ourselves must attain Realization? What does it mean?"> > >> > > Bhagavan said,"Who is it that is asking? To whom has this doubt arisen?> > Why> > > has it arisen? First think that over and find out."> > >> > > The devotee: "Swami, I am only enquiring why Lord Krishna said that."> > >> > > Bhagavan: "That is what I am referring to. What exactly did Lord Krishna> > > tell Arjuna? He told him, the deed will get done according to the> > `doing'. I> > > am the `doer' watching the whole thing from above. Why do you worry? It> > is> > > your body which does the killing of your relatives. Are you the body?> > >> > > No! Why then this bondage for you? Renounce the idea, He said. This means> > > that He asks Arjuna to do the thing but to give up the feeling that it is> > he> > > that is doing it. That is personal effort.> > >> > > The feeling that one is, or is not, the body, comes from one's own> > > ignorance. One only has to give up that feeling; that which one has, one> > > must oneself reject. Who else can do it? If by personal effort that> > bondage> > > is removed,action, under the orders of the `doer', Ishwara, goes on of> > its> > > own accord.> > >> > > Every one has his work allotted to him and he will do it automatically.> > Why> > > should one worry? Arjuna, when he felt that it was not proper to kill his> > > relatives, was only told to give up the feeling that he was the `doer',> > yet> > > it was Arjuna himself who ultimately fought.By listening to the Gita, he> > > lost the feeling of being the `doer' and the doubt he had had was no> > longer> > > there.> > >> > > The work had to be done with that particular body, and it was done. Even> > > Duryodhana was like that. Not that he was not aware of the correctness or> > > otherwise of what he was doing. He knew that what he was doing was not> > > right, but some force was leading him on to that work. What could he do?> > > That work had to be done in that way by that body, and it was done. He is> > > reported to have said so at the time of his death. Hence it is clear that> > > some Force is making all people to do things. Getting rid of the feeling> > > that `I myself am doing' is personal effort (purushakaram). All spiritual> > > practices (sadhanas) are towards that end."> > >> > > Another devotee: "That is all right. For this karma there must be a> > > beginning, but how it began, no one has mentioned."> > >> > > Bhagavan: "Yes, but it is the same thing. If you are asked `how did you> > get> > > this?' you say you have got it by `doing' (karma). How were you born? By> > > `doing' (karma) that is all that could be said. If, however, you ask how> > was> > > this karma born, you are told you should not ask such questions.> > >> > > This is known as the Law of the seed and the tree (bija ankura nyayam).> > The> > > tree is born of the seed; again from the tree a seed is born. Where is> > the> > > origin of that seed? That is a question which you are told is not to be> > > asked. What can we say to that? That is why I always ask people to find> > out> > > first how they were born and where they were born."> > >> > > O Arjuna, the Lord dwells in the heart of all beings who are mounted upon> > > the automation of this body, causing them by His illusive power to spin> > > round according to their actions.> > >> > > -- Gita XVIII: 61> > >> > > Seek refuge in Him alone, with all your being, O Arjuna! Through His> > grace,> > > you shall obtain supreme peace and the eternal abode.> > >> > > -- Gita XVIII: 62> > >> > >> > > Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and> > > Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S.> > SASTRI> > >> > > --> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya> > > Prasanth Jalasutram> > >> > > Love And Love Alone> > >> >> > > >>

 

 

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