Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 advaitin , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Everyone: > > > > The topic of vegetarianism, Ahimsa, and spirituality comes up frequently in > discussions. Here are some articles by our esteemed scholars who speak to > this issue in a practical way. I have sent these links before but they make > for such good reading that I may be forgiven for posting these again. > > > > vegetarian-lifestyle-by-dr-shyam-subramanian/ > > > > hinduism-and-vegetarianism-by-dr-k-sadananda/ > > > > bhagavad-gita-and-the-sattvic-diet/ > > > > Luthar.com has had continuous contributions from scholars and yogis from > India, U.S., Middle East, Europe, and all parts of the world. New articles > are posted on a weekly basis by authors. If someone wishes to contribute, > please go to the link below. > > > > contributors/ > > > > Feel free to contact me if you have any question. > > > > Namaste and lots of love > > Harsha > Namaste, Simply put Daya and Ahimsa are really necessary for Moksha....eating meat entails killing and being cruel to animals....So anyone eating meat and considering themselves spiritual is suffering from cognitive dissonance, in not making the connection between the animal's suffering and what is on their plate...Meat eating is learned behaviour and an addiction anyway...............Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 advaitajnana , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > > > advaitin , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Everyone: > > > > > > > > The topic of vegetarianism, Ahimsa, and spirituality comes up frequently in > > discussions. Here are some articles by our esteemed scholars who speak to > > this issue in a practical way. I have sent these links before but they make > > for such good reading that I may be forgiven for posting these again. > > > > > > > > vegetarian-lifestyle-by-dr-shyam-subramanian/ > > > > > > > > hinduism-and-vegetarianism-by-dr-k-sadananda/ > > > > > > > > bhagavad-gita-and-the-sattvic-diet/ > > > > > > > > Luthar.com has had continuous contributions from scholars and yogis from > > India, U.S., Middle East, Europe, and all parts of the world. New articles > > are posted on a weekly basis by authors. If someone wishes to contribute, > > please go to the link below. > > > > > > > > contributors/ > > > > > > > > Feel free to contact me if you have any question. > > > > > > > > Namaste and lots of love > > > > Harsha > > > Namaste, > > Simply put Daya and Ahimsa are really necessary for Moksha....eating meat entails killing and being cruel to animals....So anyone eating meat and considering themselves spiritual is suffering from cognitive dissonance, in not making the connection between the animal's suffering and what is on their plate...Meat eating is learned behaviour and an addiction anyway...............Cheers Tony. > advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote: > > > > Namaste Shyam-ji, > Your moderate words on this subject are welcome and are no doubt based on > your observations as you move amongst the people you encounter in your > daily life far from the arena where the notions about sattvic diet were > first promulgated. I have read a philosopher promoting ethical veganism > who at the same time was in favour of partial birth abortion. By the same > token absolutely good living people are carnivores. How do you > distinguish between the different factors that go to form personality once > you get away from pre-scientific theories? I have never come across any > study of the effect of diet that had a valid scientific basis, with > control groups, placebos etc. My intuition is that if you are inclined to > be choleric (from the doctrine of humours, a Western version of > pre-scientific typology) then whether you eat lentils or beef you will be > subject to that passion. Namaste Michael-ji, I think you are mixing a lot of apples and oranges and nuts in there...Partial birth abortion is a Catholic, and Fundamentalist Christan flag of course..but this does not take into account the various aspects of A-Himsa...and whether in belief systems there is an 'entity' present in the foetus etc....It is really personal to the woman....and her opinion, and possibilities of greater harm. On good living carnivores...well again this is belief system...but it is superficial, in that it doesn't take into account the subconscious samskaras and vasanas. If they are on the so called spiritual path then we have cognitive dissonance....in conflict with A-Himsa or 'resistance to harm'. These sub conscious impediments also are enhanced by the vibrations in the meat, particularly the fear and death throes. Finally in the sports world they encourage some people to eat meat as a booster for violent activity........... In the end result it depends on the person...whether they are a 1.human animal, 2. an aspiring human being, 3.a human being, 4. a realised human. If a person is a highly intelligent human animal I would no more condemn them for eating meat than say a carnivore animal. In the end result most Muktas didn't eat meat...Even Jesus didn't....as the word meat in the Bible is just the same word in Greek for food..as it is in Scots English today. Also the background for Jesus and James etc being Essenic.....we can draw some conclusions. Suggest reading James the brother of Jesus, by Robert Eisenman for illumination on this particular subject. In the end result it depends on whether one is on the spiritual path, has a developed vijnanamayakosa and understands that A-Himsa and Daya are really prerequistes for Moksha..........Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 holy ganges gulps everything dead bodies, vegetation, etc. etc. without turbulence, in the stillness of flow lies its purity. -mahesh aoclery <aocleryadvaitajnana Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:48:43 PM Re: meat eating again advaitajnana, "aoclery" <aoclery > wrote:>> > > advaitin@ s.com, "Harsha" <harsha@> wrote:> >> > Dear Everyone:> > > > > > > > The topic of vegetarianism, Ahimsa, and spirituality comes up frequently in> > discussions. Here are some articles by our esteemed scholars who speak to> > this issue in a practical way. I have sent these links before but they make> > for such good reading that I may be forgiven for posting these again. > > > > > > > > http://luthar. com/vegetarian- lifestyle- by-dr-shyam- subramanian/> > > > > > > > http://luthar. com/hinduism- and-vegetarianis m-by-dr-k- sadananda/> > > > > > > > http://luthar. com/bhagavad- gita-and- the-sattvic- diet/> > > > > > > > Luthar.com has had continuous contributions from scholars and yogis from> > India, U.S., Middle East, Europe, and all parts of the world. New articles> > are posted on a weekly basis by authors. If someone wishes to contribute,> > please go to the link below.> > > > > > > > http://luthar. com/contributors /> > > > > > > > Feel free to contact me if you have any question.> > > > > > > > Namaste and lots of love> > > > Harsha> >> Namaste,> > Simply put Daya and Ahimsa are really necessary for Moksha....eating meat entails killing and being cruel to animals....So anyone eating meat and considering themselves spiritual is suffering from cognitive dissonance, in not making the connection between the animal's suffering and what is on their plate...Meat eating is learned behaviour and an addiction anyway...... ......... Cheers Tony.>advaitin@ s.com, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@ ...> wrote:>> > > Namaste Shyam-ji,> Your moderate words on this subject are welcome and are no doubt based on > your observations as you move amongst the people you encounter in your > daily life far from the arena where the notions about sattvic diet were > first promulgated. I have read a philosopher promoting ethical veganism > who at the same time was in favour of partial birth abortion. By the same > token absolutely good living people are carnivores. How do you > distinguish between the different factors that go to form personality once > you get away from pre-scientific theories? I have never come across any > study of the effect of diet that had a valid scientific basis, with > control groups, placebos etc. My intuition is that if you are inclined to > be choleric (from the doctrine of humours, a Western version of > pre-scientific typology) then whether you eat lentils or beef you will be > subject to that passion. Namaste Michael-ji,I think you are mixing a lot of apples and oranges and nuts in there...Partial birth abortion is a Catholic, and Fundamentalist Christan flag of course..but this does not take into account the various aspects of A-Himsa...and whether in belief systems there is an 'entity' present in the foetus etc....It is really personal to the woman....and her opinion, and possibilities of greater harm.On good living carnivores.. .well again this is belief system...but it is superficial, in that it doesn't take into account the subconscious samskaras and vasanas. If they are on the so called spiritual path then we have cognitive dissonance.. ..in conflict with A-Himsa or 'resistance to harm'. These sub conscious impediments also are enhanced by the vibrations in the meat, particularly the fear and death throes.Finally in the sports world they encourage some people to eat meat as a booster for violent activity.... .......In the end result it depends on the person...whether they are a 1.human animal, 2. an aspiring human being, 3.a human being, 4. a realised human. If a person is a highly intelligent human animal I would no more condemn them for eating meat than say a carnivore animal. In the end result most Muktas didn't eat meat...Even Jesus didn't....as the word meat in the Bible is just the same word in Greek for food..as it is in Scots English today. Also the background for Jesus and James etc being Essenic..... we can draw some conclusions. Suggest reading James the brother of Jesus, by Robert Eisenman for illumination on this particular subject.In the end result it depends on whether one is on the spiritual path, has a developed vijnanamayakosa and understands that A-Himsa and Daya are really prerequistes for Moksha...... ....Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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