Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 GuruRatings , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote: > > aoclery wrote: > > GuruRatings , Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote: > > > >> matthewfiles wrote: > >> > >>> The path of the Great Ones is not > >>> liberation, rather it is bondage. > >>> Liberation means being free. On the > >>> contrary, those who have > >>> achieved what the unillumined would > >>> call liberation are truly bound into > >>> slavery: slavery to mankinkind, > >>> slavery to the dumb asleep robots that > >>> most people are; slaves to the insipient > >>> personalities, bodies, minds that > >>> most people think they are. > >>> Yes, the truly Great Ones are > >>> locked into service to the world. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Has a " Great One " been bitching > >> and moaning within earshot > >> recently, Matt? :-\ > >> > >> > > Namaste, > > > > There is no ego in the realised ones to be enslaved....On the other hand those that aren't muktas...work they way they do because that is how they earn a crust and to their karma.....> > > > > > Namaste, Tony -- > > You're full of parroted traditional > bullsquat too. " There is no ego in > the realized ones " my ar$e -- > without the capability of ego (in > its healthy state, a thought > pattern that represents the > perceived requirements of the > physical organism) arising as > required for communication (and, by > clear implication, survival!) the > hypothetical " muktas " couldn't > function without skilled 24/7 > assistance, as in a nursing home > or a psychiatric institution. > AFAIK, historically most of the > alleged " muktas " seem to have > functioned just fine socially, > hagiography claiming a state of > egolessness notwithstanding. > > Much love -- Bruce > Namaste, The ego of vedanta is not the ego of freud......in as many words. What the ego is the ahamkara or I am the doer thought.. It is a defence reactive mechanism that is in every animal but the human mind takes this basic awareness and turns it into this great EGO.. However the Muktas operate with the Sakti power through the purified vijnanamayakosa....which apparently is directional...in other words they don't have to think about what they do or remember what they do as it is all universal mind.....Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 GuruRatings , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote: > > aoclery wrote: > > GuruRatings , Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote: > > > >> aoclery wrote: > >> > >>> GuruRatings , Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> matthewfiles wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> The path of the Great Ones is not > >>>>> liberation, rather it is bondage. > >>>>> Liberation means being free. On the > >>>>> contrary, those who have > >>>>> achieved what the unillumined would > >>>>> call liberation are truly bound into > >>>>> slavery: slavery to mankinkind, > >>>>> slavery to the dumb asleep robots that > >>>>> most people are; slaves to the insipient > >>>>> personalities, bodies, minds that > >>>>> most people think they are. > >>>>> Yes, the truly Great Ones are > >>>>> locked into service to the world. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Has a " Great One " been bitching > >>>> and moaning within earshot > >>>> recently, Matt? :-\ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Namaste, > >>> > >>> There is no ego in the realised ones to be enslaved....On the other hand those that aren't muktas...work they way they do because that is how they earn a crust and to their karma.....> >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Namaste, Tony -- > >> > >> You're full of parroted traditional > >> bullsquat too. " There is no ego in > >> the realized ones " my ar$e -- > >> without the capability of ego (in > >> its healthy state, a thought > >> pattern that represents the > >> perceived requirements of the > >> physical organism) arising as > >> required for communication (and, by > >> clear implication, survival!) the > >> hypothetical " muktas " couldn't > >> function without skilled 24/7 > >> assistance, as in a nursing home > >> or a psychiatric institution. > >> AFAIK, historically most of the > >> alleged " muktas " seem to have > >> functioned just fine socially, > >> hagiography claiming a state of > >> egolessness notwithstanding. > >> > >> Much love -- Bruce > >> > >> > > Namaste, > > > > The ego of vedanta is not the ego of freud......in as many words. What the ego is the ahamkara or I am the doer thought.. It is a defence reactive mechanism that is in every animal but the human mind takes this basic awareness and turns it into this great EGO.. > > > > This is exactly what I'm > referring to, Tony: There is > a very thin line between the > " reactive " mind (survival > imperative run amok, so to > speak) and the appropriately > responsive mind, which could > be termed " a healthy ego. " > > A mukta can summon up the > latter as required but does > not manifest the former -- > at least not externally. > Krishnamurti noted that one > can allow anger and other > amok reactivity to " arise, > flower, and die " entirely > within, and I have noticed > the entire interval of that > process as it diminishes to > a literal augenblick as the > organism accommodates to > realization -- this relates > to and explains your closing > statement below, which is > otherwise mere parroting of > traditional ideas. > > > However the Muktas operate with the Sakti power through the purified vijnanamayakosa....which apparently is directional...in other words they don't have to think about what they do or remember what they do as it is all universal mind.....Tony. > > > > > I have no response to (or > interest in) the above episode > of traditional bullsquat -- it's > irrelevant on too many levels > bother even counting them. I do > acknowledge and offer pranams to > you as the unchallenged GR > master of lavishly polysyllabic > Sanskrit terminology, however. > :-) > > Luvya, Tony -- Bruce > Namaste Bruce, What I am saying is there is a part of the human mind or psyche that is connected and part of a bigger construct....Once you move from the personal ordinary mind or manomayakosa...you move into different levels, including species mind, higher mind etc....the vijnanamayakosa is the level of awareness mind and once purified is not different from the over all universal mind.....all memories and vibrations exist in the mind whether the body is there or not.... --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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