Papaji's lineage and the teachers claiming realisation.2

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GuruRatings , Sarlo <sarlo wrote:

>

> At 02:05 PM 1/29/10, Durga wrote:

>

> >Personally I think the whole thing is a mess. And as I was

> >saying to a friend last night who also spent time in neo circles,

> >I don't see how anyone can clearly understand anything without

> >having been exposed to a step by step logical teaching

> >methodology.

> >

> >OTOH, it seems that some people (and I'm not referring

> >necessarily to Papaji's people) but some people do seem

> >to come to a clear and direct realization of the nondual

> >nature of reality without being exposed to a teaching

> >methodology.

> >

> >Based on my own experience, how that could happen

> >is a mystery to me, but lately I'm trying to be a bit

> >more open to the idea lest I become entirely rigid in

> >my thinking. Durga

>

> Bravo!

>

> My sense is that it DOES happen, but coming to

> that clear and direct realization does not guarantee

> the ability to share, pass on, teach or otherwise

> raise the " level of realization " of others.

>

> (Leaving aside the question of what that might mean :-))

>

> Sarlo

 

Namaste Sarlo et al,

 

The neo advaitins or verbal non dualists I used to call them before I heard the

term neo-advaitin....are also termed vndist as this is the term/acronym Greg

Goode gave some years ago......

 

It is possible that a neo-A might become intellectually enlightened but if he or

she has subconscious impediments in the mind that is all it will be....a

reincarnating non dual conscious mind....A guru with sakitpat and diksha is

req'd....unless you have completed sadhana in a previous life almost like

Ramana...

 

The guru can be somebody you haven't even met but may know about you, or you

have read about them....I trust in my inner guru these days but I still

communicate with a Mukta from time to time...if my mind is not so clear....

 

Thinking back 20 years or more I am sure this was a diksha by touch and subtle

plane.....I didn't understand it or have term for it at the time but it is still

with me.....

 

One time on an ashram in India I was lying on my mattress peacefully when an

old yogi (astral?), in a shabby brown robe came into the room. He told me to tap

him on the shoulder and he pointed where. As soon as I did that I went up

through all the dimensions of form and mishapen beings and just coloured energy

until my mind went beyond experience....I lost the yogi or siddha of course, in

the no mind or samdhi state and then ended up on my mattress

awake...........Tony,

 

 

1.Devotion to an image of a dead guru is good for concentrating the mind but no

more.2.To know the Self .Self Enquirey is required.3.A Guru's help is required

to do Self-Enquirey properly...-Yogi Ramiah asks...'It requires a living Guru

who could show it in practice.'..Ramana replied ,'It is true'.

 

When the mind wanders among worldly things a layer of vasanas forms on it which

prevents it from reflecting or being aware of the light of the Self

within....Mathru Sri Sarada..