Ramana Maharshi Views About Sri Ramakrishna Seeing Life In The Image Of Kali

March 22, 2010

On 22/03/2010 09:58, Prasanth Jalasutram wrote:

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14th December, 1938

D.: It is said that Sri Ramakrishna saw life in the image of Kali which

he worshipped. Can it be true?

M.:Â The life was perceptible(Capable

of being perceived by the mind or senses) to Sri Ramakrishna and not to

all. The vital force was due to himself. It was his own vital force

which manifested as if it were outside and drew him in.Â Were the

image full of life it must have been found so by all. But everything is

full of life. That is the fact. Many devotees have had experiences

similar to those of Sri Ramakrishna.

D.: How can there be life in stone? It is unconscious.

M.: The whole universe is full of life. You say the stone is

unconscious.It is your self-consciousness which now speaks of

unconsciousness.When a person wants to see if there is an article

in a dark room he takes a lamp to look for it. The light is useful for

detecting the presence and the absence of the thing. Consciousness is

necessary for discovering if a thing is conscious or not. If a man

remains in a dark room one need not take a lamp to find him. If called,

he answers. He does not require a lamp to announce his

presence.Consciousness is thus self-shining.

Now you say you were unconscious in sleep and self-conscious in the

wakeful state. Which is the Reality? The Reality must be continuous and

eternal. Neither the unconsciousness nor the self-consciousness of the

present is the Reality. But you admit your existence all through. The

pure Being is the reality. The others are mere associations.Â The pure Being cannot be otherwise than

consciousness. Otherwise you cannot say that you exist. Therefore

consciousness is the reality. When that consciousness is associated

with upadhis you speak of self-consciousness,unconsciousness,

sub-consciousness, super-consciousness, humanconsciousness,dog-consciousness,

tree-consciousness and so on. The unaltering common factor in all of

them is consciousness.Therefore the stone is as much unconscious

as you are in sleep.Is that totally devoid of consciousness?

D.: But a dog-consciousness is

different from my consciousness.I cannot read the Bible to the

dog. The tree again does not move whereas I move and act.

M.: Call the tree a standing man; and call the man a moving tree.

An American gentleman who also took part in the conversation would not

allow Sri Bhagavan to explain and so it stopped here.

Source: TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA

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dear friends, prashant and brian, thank you for the timely and

always delightful teachings of beloved ramana.

jai jai ramana guruji!

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March 22, 2010

14th December, 1938D.: It is said that Sri Ramakrishna saw life in the image of Kali whichhe worshipped. Can it be true?M.:Â The life was perceptible(Capable of being perceived by the mind or senses) to Sri Ramakrishna and not to all. The vital force was due to himself. It was his own vital force which manifested as if it were outside and drew him in.Â Were the image full of life it must have been found so by all. But everything is full of life. That is the fact. Many devotees have had experiences similar to those of Sri Ramakrishna.

D.: How can there be life in stone? It is unconscious.M.: The whole universe is full of life. You say the stone is unconscious.It is your self-consciousness which now speaks of unconsciousness.When a person wants to see if there is an article in a dark room he takes a lamp to look for it. The light is useful for detecting the presence and the absence of the thing. Consciousness is necessary for discovering if a thing is conscious or not. If a man remains in a dark room one need not take a lamp to find him. If called, he answers. He does not require a lamp to announce his presence.Consciousness is thus self-shining.

Now you say you were unconscious in sleep and self-conscious in the wakeful state. Which is the Reality? The Reality must be continuous and eternal. Neither the unconsciousness nor the self-consciousness of the present is the Reality. But you admit your existence all through. The pure Being is the reality. The others are mere associations.Â The pure Being cannot be otherwise than consciousness. Otherwise you cannot say that you exist. Therefore consciousness is the reality. When that consciousness is associated with upadhis you speak of self-consciousness,unconsciousness, sub-consciousness, super-consciousness, humanconsciousness,dog-consciousness, tree-consciousness and so on. The unaltering common factor in all of them is consciousness.Therefore the stone is as much unconscious as you are in sleep.Is that totally devoid of consciousness?

D.: But a dog-consciousness is different from my consciousness.I cannot read the Bible to the dog. The tree again does not move whereas I move and act.M.: Call the tree a standing man; and call the man a moving tree.

An American gentleman who also took part in the conversation would not allow Sri Bhagavan to explain and so it stopped here.Source: TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI