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A dialog between David Godman and Maalok, #21

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Maalok: It is interesting that you bring up the idea of peace in the presence of a realized person. Sometimes, people talk about feeling very happy or bubbly in the presence of such people and not as much about peace. In your understanding, are happiness and peace equivalent?

David: Sri Ramana sometimes described the state of the Self as being peace, and sometimes he would say that it is happiness. I have used these terms frequently in talking to you because these are terms that most people can relate to. Most people claim that they have experienced peace or happiness at some point, but this is not what Sri Ramana is really alluding to when he says that the Self is peace or happiness. He is attempting to describe a state in which there is no experiencer at all. That state is impossible to convey in words, but the terms 'peace', 'stillness', 'silence' and 'happiness' were words that he often used to indicate the nature of the final state.

What you describe as 'bubbly' experiences, feelings of ecstasy or joy, are pleasant mental states. They are not the true awareness of what remains when mind itself has completely gone. www.davidgodman.org

 

 

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