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Talks with Ramana Maharshi, May 3 1938

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If the world is only a dream, how should it be harmonized with the Eternal Reality?

 

Maharshi: the harmony consists in the realization of its inseparateness from the Self.

 

D. But a dream is fleeting and unreal. It is also contradicted by the waking state.

 

M. The waking experiences are similar.

 

D. One lives fifty years and finds a continuity in the waking experience, which is absent in dreams.

 

M. You go to sleep and dream a dream in which the experiences of fifty years are condensed within the duration of the dream, say five minutes. There is also a continuity in the dream. Which is real now? Is the period covering fifty years of your waking state real, or the short duration of five minutes of your dream? The standards of time differ in the two states. That is all. That is no other difference between the experiences.

 

D. The spirit remains unaffected by the passing phenomena and by the successive bodies of repeated births. How does each body get the life to set it acting?

 

M. The spirit is differentiated from matter and is full of life. The body is animated by it.

 

D. The realized being is then the spirit and unaware of the world.

 

M. He sees the world but not as separate from the Self.

 

D. If the world is full of pain, why should he continue the world idea?

 

M. Does the realized being tell you that the world is full of pain? It is the other one who feels the pain and seeks the help of the wise saying that the world is painful. Then the wise one explains from his experience that if one withdraws within the Self, there is an end of pain. The pain is felt as long as the object is different from oneself. But when the Self is found to be an undivided whole, who and what is there to feel? The realized mind is the Holy Spirit and the other mind is the home of the devil. For the realized being this is the Kingdom of Heaven: " The Kingdom of Heaven is within you." That kingdom is here and now.

 

Talks with Ramana Maharshi

On Realizing Abiding Peace and Happiness

pp.386-387

 

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