Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Sat Nam Viorica, With "hearing" (sravana or sunia) comes the first glimpse or reflection of one's True Self, True Name, the Word, which is that the sense of "I" pulses as "I" and the mind is drawn inward toward It, instead of "I" am this and that and so on. There is a sense of a churning in the nerves, some would call a "quickening of the Spirit" throughout the body that feels like the decontraction of the previously strong sense of identity to the body and mind, names and forms, what some call body armor, which is to say that one feels a sense of penetration and expansion of radiance throughout the body, wherein all previous felt gripping of attention is being radically relinquished by the Self, one is now transfixed by. One sees the world but has a continuous sense of not-2 pulsing through the body mind, the subject object orientation being relinquished, dissolving. At the same time one has a growing sense of clarity, as though coming out of a fog, or a stupor or recollecting one's Self from a state of amnesia. Abiding. To give It a name for suggest a form would suggest that It appeared at some time. So we can't really say that it is a State or Condition. We can't say that It is Silence, as even the sense of peace and silence are relinquished in the experience of "abiding." At some period, even the sense of inside-outside and the use of the mind altogether vanish. Near and far vanish, and there is just single pervasive Being Consciousness. In the practice of Yoga at some stage, one begins to feel the loss of the sense of "I" as the body and feels instead the "I" as a field of consciousness, in which to some extent the world around the body is all the sense of "I" - but in the state of realization, even this field or sphere of Oneness drops away. Maybe It might be called the experience of the Cosmic Mind, as, similarly to a dream, where the creation of the world arises out of one's own mind, once the identity to the body and thoughts is relinquished, the perceived universe appears within one's Self, which no longer has boundaries of time and space. The atmosphere around certain Saints has an etheric quality, or sense of transparency, probably because of their having dropped off the use of the mind to see, now being the screen of Consciousness upon which the universe appears. Third Zen Patriarch: "Infinitely large and infinitely small, no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen. So to with being and non-being." This sense of abiding as the Cosmic Mind, beyond all conditions, uncaused, cannot bring about the question of Suka about Maya, as Maya has become "Iyam" - undifferentiated. Pieter - viorica w MillionPaths ; NamoRamana ; Tuesday, 22 February, 2005 2:43 PM Lucy Cornelssen, Hunting the 'I', #13 Excerpt from chapter: The Snake in the Rope book : Hunting the 'I' author : Lucy Cornelssen ……………… The dominating Hindu-philosophy of today is the Advaita-Vedanta; and Ramana Maharshi is considered the most prominent figure representing this philosophy. 'A-dvaita' means 'not-two', the 'One without a second'. There is only One principle, Brahman, essence and substance of all and everything; diversity is merely appearance. Brahman as the ultimate nature of man is called Atman, the Self, merely for convenience's sake; Atman is Brahman. The world too is Brahman; to see it as the world of diversity is Maya, illusion. The idea of Maya is the point where the antagonists of Advaita-Vedanta attack the system as showing inconsistency against its principle of A-dvaita, Maya being 'second' to account for diversity, which cannot be included in 'the One!' Ramana Maharshi supported Sri Sankara and the Advaita-system:"The tantriks and others of the kind condemn Sri Sankara's philosopy as Maya-path without understanding him aright. What does he say? He says: (1) Brahman is real; (2) The universe is a myth; (3) Brahman is the universe.He does not stop at the second statement but continues to supplement it with the third. What does it signify? The universe is conceived to be apart from Brahman, and that perception is wrong. The antagonists point to his illustration of 'the snake in the rope'. In dim light one can think a coiled rope to be a snake. This is unconditioned superimposition. After the truth of the rope is known, the illusion of the snake is removed once and for all. But they should also take into account the conditioned superimposition, i.e., 'the water in the mirage'. "The mirage does not disappear even after we know it to be a mirage. The vision is there, but the man does not run to it for water. Sri Sankara must be understood in the light of both these illustrations. The world is a myth. Even after knowing it, it continues to appear. It must be known to be Brahman and not apart." (Ramana) ……………….. But these explanations [ see Talks, 315 & Talks, 20 ] do not make Ramana Maharshi a philosopher. His Great Experience was not a result of a study of Advaita-philosophy, but the basic event which enabled him to confirm that great intuition of yore. He simply states what he sees and that is the same as Sankara and the ancient Rishis had seen and which everybody will see who follows his Path up to the end. That behind the appearance of the forms is the true nature of the world as Brahman. However, all their explanation and deductions cannot prove their vision, as long as he who doubts cannot see what they see.And he cannot see it as long as both of them use different ways of perceiving. No logical philosophical demonstration can prove what the realized one sees: That the Self is not only his true nature, but also that of the world. And he perceives it as distinctly as 'a fruit on the palm of his hand'. That was the reason, why Ramana Maharshi used to divert the conversation as soon as it was convenient, when it had turned to Maya. Actually the problem, Maya, is no problem at all, being no obstruction in the Path. When Suka, the son of the sage Vyasa, realized the Self, he did not believe either himself or his father, who confirmed his achievement, because he felt that he had not yet solved the riddle of the world as Maya. Thus his father sent him to Janaka, the royal sage. King Janaka put him to several tests, which the youthful Suka passed in the calm and composed way of a real sage. Accordingly King Janaka confirmed his Self-realisation. Suka remonstrated: 'But there is still the problem of Maya ...' King Janaka smiled. "Drop it!" The same moment Suka 'saw' that the Truth of the world was the same as his own Truth. …………….. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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