Some doubts

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Dear All,

I have some doubts could some one please clarify

1)

Guru Says :

By negation that I am not the body, I am not feeling,

I am not thought etc.. You will come to know who you

are.

 

Now consider a BUS

 

Bus is not it's body, Bus is not the driver, Bus is

not passengers on the bus and so on Going like this I

can say there cannot be any BUS

 

2)

Guru Says : Every thing is predetermined

 

If So what ever they (Guru) said also predetermined

irrespective of their enlightenment. Then how can I

say what they are saying right

 

Regards

Dijo

 

 

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Hello Dijo

 

I have tried to answer your questions, but words will have their basic

limitations.

 

1. First of all the path shown by Bhagavan is not " Neti Neti " or

Negation. It is only for intellectual understanding that they are asking

us to Negate body, thoughts etc. The more you negate them, the more you

will get attached to the object being negated. It is like this, wherever

our attention falls, knowledge of that objects grows. Attention is

Attachment! So when you negate your body, you get more attached to the

body. So the path of Self-enquiry shown by Bhagavan is Self-Attention.

The more you put your attention on the " I Am " , the knowledge of our

existence alone grows and finally leads to it mergence in the Heart or

Self.

 

In the Bus example shown by you, Bus is an inert object, while you are

pure Awareness or Consciousness. You can negate your body, thoughts or

feelings, but can you negate yourself. " That which cannot be negated is

the TRUTH " . The seer is the truth and the seen is false.

 

2. Yes, everything is Predetermined. Instead of debating on this, why

not take the Guru's words and put them in to practice and get rid of the

misery. If you are hit on the road, will we worry about, how we got hit,

or who was responsible, etc etc instead of calling 911. We are in that

state, we are in a state of emergency, there is no time, Enquire " WHO AM

I " and end the ego, go to everlasting peace and bliss.

 

Finally all these questions are raised by the ego, the objective is to

transcend it, and no explanation will satisfy the ego.

 

Regards

Srinivas

 

 

 

dijo xavier [dijo_xavier]

Friday, March 18, 2005 6:54 AM

 

Some doubts

 

 

 

Dear All,

I have some doubts could some one please clarify

1)

Guru Says :

By negation that I am not the body, I am not feeling,

I am not thought etc.. You will come to know who you

are.

 

Now consider a BUS

 

Bus is not it's body, Bus is not the driver, Bus is

not passengers on the bus and so on Going like this I

can say there cannot be any BUS

 

2)

Guru Says : Every thing is predetermined

 

If So what ever they (Guru) said also predetermined

irrespective of their enlightenment. Then how can I

say what they are saying right

 

Regards

Dijo

 

 

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OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

 

 

Dear Srinvas

 

let michael tell you how glad he is to read your answer to Dijo

 

of course never "negate" anything - it gets "stronger"....

but except that we are NOT this and that we are "only"

the SELF LOVE GD how "we" want to name the "unname-able"

 

a wonderful association michael found

 

everything is "just" a reflection in the mirror of the "consciousness" radiated by the SELF

- so everything is "just" a reflection not really REAL

 

this

 

and

 

the association everything we experience is like a film on the SCREEN

and our real NATURE is the SCREEN SELF GD LOVE

 

and something which helped michael very much indeed

 

LOVE is not understandable for normal human beings till the start the journey inside and discover their real nature

 

being GD

 

so everything - from the dust to michael and so on - is GD fulfilling itself till again back home.....

 

 

hoping not to disturb you with my comments

 

 

let us all be grateful for being with RAMANA

 

and for the work the endless and unvaluable work by his devotess like David Godman

 

 

 

in love in GD

in GD michael trusts

 

 

michael bindel"R, Srinivas (KeyChain-PaloAlto)" <srinivas.r wrote:

Hello DijoI have tried to answer your questions, but words will have their basiclimitations.1. First of all the path shown by Bhagavan is not "Neti Neti" orNegation. It is only for intellectual understanding that they are askingus to Negate body, thoughts etc. The more you negate them, the more youwill get attached to the object being negated. It is like this, whereverour attention falls, knowledge of that objects grows. Attention isAttachment! So when you negate your body, you get more attached to thebody. So the path of Self-enquiry shown by Bhagavan is Self-Attention.The more you put your attention on the "I Am", the knowledge of ourexistence alone grows and finally leads to it mergence in the Heart orSelf.In the Bus example shown by you, Bus is an inert object, while you arepure Awareness or Consciousness.

You can negate your body, thoughts orfeelings, but can you negate yourself. "That which cannot be negated isthe TRUTH". The seer is the truth and the seen is false.2. Yes, everything is Predetermined. Instead of debating on this, whynot take the Guru's words and put them in to practice and get rid of themisery. If you are hit on the road, will we worry about, how we got hit,or who was responsible, etc etc instead of calling 911. We are in thatstate, we are in a state of emergency, there is no time, Enquire "WHO AMI" and end the ego, go to everlasting peace and bliss. Finally all these questions are raised by the ego, the objective is totranscend it, and no explanation will satisfy the ego.RegardsSrinivasdijo xavier [dijo_xavier] Friday, March 18, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: Some

doubtsDear All,I have some doubts could some one please clarify1)Guru Says : By negation that I am not the body, I am not feeling,I am not thought etc.. You will come to know who youare.Now consider a BUSBus is not it's body, Bus is not the driver, Bus isnot passengers on the bus and so on Going like this Ican say there cannot be any BUS2)Guru Says : Every thing is predetermined If So what ever they (Guru) said also predeterminedirrespective of their enlightenment. Then how can Isay what they are saying rightRegardsDijo Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.