Swami Madhava Thirtha - Conversations with Bhagavan

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CONVERSATIONS WITH BHAGAVAN

Swami Madhava Thirtha

 

 

These conversations were originally printed in the

author’s Gujarati book, Ramana Maharshi – Introduction

and Teaching.

 

Swami Madhava Thirtha: It is said by some that God has

created various kinds of worlds and is still going to create a

new world.

 

Sri Bhagavan: Our present world itself is not true. Each

one sees a different imaginary world according to his

imagination, and so where is the guarantee that the new world

will be real? The jiva (individual soul), the world and God, all

of these are dependent on the True State. As long as there is the

individual sense of ‘I’, these are also there. From this individual

sense of ‘I’, from the mind, these three have arisen. If you destroy

the mind, the three will not remain, but Brahman alone will

remain, as it remains and abides even now.

We see something incorrectly. This misperception will be

rectified by enquiring into the real nature of this jiva. Even if

the jiva enters super-mind, it will remain in mind; but after

surrendering the mind, there will be nothing remaining but

Brahman. Whether this world is real or unreal, chetana or jada,

(conscious or inert), a place of happiness or a place of misery,

all these states arise in the state of ignorance. They are not useful

after Realisation. The state of Atma Nishta (being fixed in the

Self ), devoid of the individual feeling of ‘I’, is the Supreme

State. In this state, there is no room for objective thinking, nor

for this feeling of individual being. There is no doubt of any

kind in this natural state of Being-Consciousness-Bliss. So long

as there is the perception of name and form in oneself, God

will appear with form, but when the vision of the formless Reality

(arupa drishti) is achieved there will be no modifications of

seer, seeing and seen. That vision is the nature of consciousness

itself, non-dual and undivided. It is limitless, infinite and perfect.

When the individual sense of ‘I’ arises in the body, then the

waking state appears. If this sense is absent, who then will see

the world?

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taken from

SURPASSING LOVE AND GRACE

 

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