Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Mind the business for which you have come. “All events in life are shaped according to the Divine plan. What is bound to happen will happen. What is not to happen cannot be brought about by any human effort. On this point Ramana was quite categoric. When Deva Raja Mudalar questioned him as to whether only important things in one's life, such as major occupation or profession, alone are predetermined, or even trifling acts, Ramana replied, ‘Everything is predetermined.’ “One of the purposes of birth is to go through certain experiences which have been marked out in the karmic unfoldment of this life. The whole program is chalked out. This would apparently be a damper to all effort, for one would be puzzled as to what the responsibility of man is. Is he an automation of karmic forces? Where do his free will and effort come in? “Ramana points out that there is another deeper purpose to life. That is to search and find out the truth for oneself. He would say that the only useful purpose of life is to turn within and realize there's nothing else to do. Ramana would therefore constantly din into everyone the fact that the ultimate truth is Sat-Chit, immediately available here and now. “When Natananananda asked Ramana, ‘Is it possible for everyone to know directly without doubt what exactly is one's true nature?,’ prompt came the reply, ‘Undoubtedly it is possible. The ultimate truth is so simple,’ Ramana would say. ‘It is nothing more than abiding in one's own state.’ This is the essential message of all religions and creeds. Leaving aside the automatic course of our lives regulated by the Creator, according to His Law, one's duty is to channel effort to be self-aware. Steadfastness of purpose is in treading the inner path through vigilant self-enquiry. On such enquiry as to the Source of the individual, the enquirer merges in the conscious Source. “The inner odyssey is seldom smooth sailing. Full many a delusion would wean one away. For instance, people who go to Shri Ramana ashram to breathe its rarified atmosphere, while there, instead of surrendering to His flowing Grace, they would get involved in the happening of the ashram management. Ramana used to jovially remark of some visitors on their first visit to Shri Ramana ashram, they seemed to be alright. On the second visit they discovered that the ashram is not properly run. On the third visit they start giving advice. On the fourth they know best how to run the place. And on the fifth they discover that the management is not responsive. On the sixth they suggest that the present staff should walk out leaving the ashram to them They would thus get bogged down in things which are irrelevant for the search. When such people complained, Ramana would say: ‘Mind the business for which you have come.’ “This would apply, of course, not only to their visit to Shri Ramana ashram, but also to the purpose of human life itself. One has to constantly keep before the minds eye the liberating purpose, the only worth while one of freeing oneself from the karmic chain by discovering the hidden truth. Ramana would even seemingly chide if one failed to pursue one's own sadhana, but spent time thinking and talking of others “A devotee once told Ramana: ‘I have been here for many years. People got into Samadhi. I close my eyes for a minute and my mind travels around the world.’ Ramana replied: ‘Why do you think about others? Let them meditate, sleep or snore. Look to yourself. Whenever your mind goes astray bring it back to the quest.’ “Once Bhagavan told a devotee to wake up, look at the mirror, it shows the growth to be got rid of. Instead of waiting time, start shaving. Similarly, heaven knows when the allotted time would end. Hence not to seek the truth by vigilant self-enquiry is truly suicidal. Many would like to blame their circumstances for their indolence and laziness and failure to pursue self-enquiry. Ramana would ask, ‘Why depend on that which is not in your hands. Go ahead with the business which is in your hands, under your control, leaving aside what you cannot do anything about.’ “Proper utilization of God given freedom of turning the mind is what is needed all the time. As for adverse circumstances in life of which everyone has a belly full, while sympathizing, Ramana would at the same time say, ‘You are always free not to be affected by the pleasure and pain consequent on action.’ The teeth have to be taken out of an event by an attitudinal change which neutralizes it. “Sometimes Ramana would advise leaving things to the sure hand of the Sat Guru, and to stick singlemindedly to the effort which would make one self-aware. Ramana would say, ‘Why don't you do what the first class railway passenger does? He tells the guard his destination, locks the door and goes to sleep. The rest is done by the guard. If you can trust your Guru as much as you trust the railway guard, it will be good enough to make you reach the destination.’ Again when someone pestered him for the darshan of Shri Krishna, he said, ‘Why don't you leave the shaktastakara of Krishna to Krishna.’ We also have the pointed advice given by him to Ganapada Muni. ‘Remain all the time steadfast in the heart. God will determine the future for you to accomplish the work. What is to be done will be done at the proper time. Don't worry. Abide in the heart.’ Life becomes meaningful if we joyously tread the inward path, remembering that ours is to do the Vichara and it is for the inner source to do the rest. Then bliss is not the end product to be found on reaching the goal, but is felt all along the homeward, heartward journey.” (from Robert Adams) ~om namo bhagavate sri ramayana~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 ‘Remain all the time steadfast in the heart. God will determine the future for you to accomplish the work. What is to be done will be done at the proper time. Don't worry. Abide in the heart.’ - beautiful reminder of ramana's messages.thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 what else can you do vijaysk wrote: ‘Remain all the time steadfast in the heart. God will determine the future for you to accomplish the work. What is to be done will be done at the proper time. Don't worry. Abide in the heart.’ - beautiful reminder of ramana's messages.thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 I want to ask whether our decision to remain steadfast in the heart is also pre-determined. N K DIXIT , Linda Sherman <lsherm wrote: > > Mind the business for which you have come. > > " All events in life are shaped according to the Divine plan. What is > bound to happen will happen. What is not to happen cannot be brought > about by any human effort. On this point Ramana was quite categoric. > When Deva Raja Mudalar questioned him as to whether only important > things in one's life, such as major occupation or profession, alone are > predetermined, or even trifling acts, Ramana replied, `Everything is > predetermined.' > > " One of the purposes of birth is to go through certain experiences which > have been marked out in the karmic unfoldment of this life. The whole > program is chalked out. This would apparently be a damper to all effort, > for one would be puzzled as to what the responsibility of man is. Is he > an automation of karmic forces? Where do his free will and effort come in? > > " Ramana points out that there is another deeper purpose to life. That is > to search and find out the truth for oneself. He would say that the only > useful purpose of life is to turn within and realize there's nothing > else to do. Ramana would therefore constantly din into everyone the fact > that the ultimate truth is Sat-Chit, immediately available here and now. > > " When Natananananda asked Ramana, `Is it possible for everyone to know > directly without doubt what exactly is one's true nature?,' prompt came > the reply, `Undoubtedly it is possible. The ultimate truth is so > simple,' Ramana would say. `It is nothing more than abiding in one's own > state.' This is the essential message of all religions and creeds. > Leaving aside the automatic course of our lives regulated by the > Creator, according to His Law, one's duty is to channel effort to be > self-aware. Steadfastness of purpose is in treading the inner path > through vigilant self-enquiry. On such enquiry as to the Source of the > individual, the enquirer merges in the conscious Source. > > " The inner odyssey is seldom smooth sailing. Full many a delusion would > wean one away. For instance, people who go to Shri Ramana ashram to > breathe its rarified atmosphere, while there, instead of surrendering to > His flowing Grace, they would get involved in the happening of the > ashram management. Ramana used to jovially remark of some visitors on > their first visit to Shri Ramana ashram, they seemed to be alright. On > the second visit they discovered that the ashram is not properly run. On > the third visit they start giving advice. On the fourth they know best > how to run the place. And on the fifth they discover that the management > is not responsive. On the sixth they suggest that the present staff > should walk out leaving the ashram to them They would thus get bogged > down in things which are irrelevant for the search. When such people > complained, Ramana would say: `Mind the business for which you have come.' > > " This would apply, of course, not only to their visit to Shri Ramana > ashram, but also to the purpose of human life itself. One has to > constantly keep before the minds eye the liberating purpose, the only > worth while one of freeing oneself from the karmic chain by discovering > the hidden truth. Ramana would even seemingly chide if one failed to > pursue one's own sadhana, but spent time thinking and talking of others > > " A devotee once told Ramana: `I have been here for many years. People > got into Samadhi. I close my eyes for a minute and my mind travels > around the world.' Ramana replied: `Why do you think about others? Let > them meditate, sleep or snore. Look to yourself. Whenever your mind goes > astray bring it back to the quest.' > > " Once Bhagavan told a devotee to wake up, look at the mirror, it shows > the growth to be got rid of. Instead of waiting time, start shaving. > Similarly, heaven knows when the allotted time would end. Hence not to > seek the truth by vigilant self-enquiry is truly suicidal. Many would > like to blame their circumstances for their indolence and laziness and > failure to pursue self-enquiry. Ramana would ask, `Why depend on that > which is not in your hands. Go ahead with the business which is in your > hands, under your control, leaving aside what you cannot do anything > about.' > > " Proper utilization of God given freedom of turning the mind is what is > needed all the time. As for adverse circumstances in life of which > everyone has a belly full, while sympathizing, Ramana would at the same > time say, `You are always free not to be affected by the pleasure and > pain consequent on action.' The teeth have to be taken out of an event > by an attitudinal change which neutralizes it. > > " Sometimes Ramana would advise leaving things to the sure hand of the > Sat Guru, and to stick singlemindedly to the effort which would make one > self-aware. Ramana would say, `Why don't you do what the first class > railway passenger does? He tells the guard his destination, locks the > door and goes to sleep. The rest is done by the guard. If you can trust > your Guru as much as you trust the railway guard, it will be good enough > to make you reach the destination.' Again when someone pestered him for > the darshan of Shri Krishna, he said, `Why don't you leave the > shaktastakara of Krishna to Krishna.' We also have the pointed advice > given by him to Ganapada Muni. `Remain all the time steadfast in the > heart. God will determine the future for you to accomplish the work. > What is to be done will be done at the proper time. Don't worry. Abide > in the heart.' > > Life becomes meaningful if we joyously tread the inward path, > remembering that ours is to do the Vichara and it is for the inner > source to do the rest. Then bliss is not the end product to be found on > reaching the goal, but is felt all along the homeward, heartward journey. " > > (from Robert Adams) > > ~om namo bhagavate sri ramayana~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 find out who it is that wants to know...and then maybe you will find your answer. If all concepts are released,and not verifiable as they all dissolve...then why build up more? narendra kumar dixit <arthateet_shiv wrote: I want to ask whether our decision to remain steadfast in the heart is also pre-determined.N K DIXIT Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 "The whole universe is arising from the heart and dissolving in radiance, now and now and now". >> proove it : - )Linda Sherman <lsherm wrote: I would guess that the "Deciding" is your choice, free-will, as long as there's a mind.But, can you do it? The ability to ACTUALLY do it is due to grace, depth of practice and vasanas, spiritual maturity, etc. If the actual practice of vichara dissolves the mind, then there's no one left to decide, no mind to think with or decide with. The whole universe is arising from the heart and dissolving in radiance, now and now and now.narendra kumar dixit wrote: I want to ask whether our decision to remain steadfast in the heart is also pre-determined.N K DIXIT Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 In one of the talkings Bhagavan Ramana said that not to attach is free will as God's will always does everything.Or rather He days everything is ordained by the Lord for everyone of us. surrender to the Lord is the best course of action if one finds "Self ENQUIRY" IS DIFFICULT.Linda Sherman <lsherm wrote: I would guess that the "Deciding" is your choice, free-will, as long as there's a mind.But, can you do it? The ability to ACTUALLY do it is due to grace, depth of practice and vasanas, spiritual maturity, etc. If the actual practice of vichara dissolves the mind, then there's no one left to decide, no mind to think with or decide with. The whole universe is arising from the heart and dissolving in radiance, now and now and now.narendra kumar dixit wrote: I want to ask whether our decision to remain steadfast in the heart is also pre-determined.N K DIXIT Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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