Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in march2007.. one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online study on this if u wish so... pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on upcoming eclipse.. tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas and spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of eclipse.. Vikrant Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Dear Anna, I think the effect of the eclipses are more on the rulers and the weather pattern than on individuals. I would not think much effect of which Nakshatra they occupy will be felt. Some do think that the houses owned by the Lord of the Nakshatra where it occurs do suffer during an eclipse. Personally I doubt that the effect is felt with great acuity on individuals, though disturbance for the duration of the eclipse would certainly be there. Take care, Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar, > Thank you for this comment. One more question, please: Do you consider > naksatra where e. falls relevant? /In terms that any point/planet, in > particular nakshatra will ;suffer' the results/ > Solar eclipse in my chart falls on my 9th H Jupiter's naksatra, not a > conjunction.. Usually I would be inclined to foresee just activation > of the planet,.house, predict some related activity only if it is > conjunction- but some authors seem to suggest naksatra contact instead. > I also tend to see either positive or negative result of any eclipse > depending on the planet located at the eclipse degree. I've seen that > eclipse nature is somewhat 'deceptive'- oftentimes there is no > manifestations, other times big ones. > Warm regards, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Anna, > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon is the > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So any > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on human > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling class > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect in the > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a paksha > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other parameters, like > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, and > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of a world > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. This is > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses occurring in one > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > announced results of state elections in India two established > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll just > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not possible. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see you > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking > > though. > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and if > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors > > suggest. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha (fortnight) > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in > > march2007.. > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas and > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Dear Prabodh, There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses can occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a fortnight. And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total eclipse. Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the same Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at all. Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or kingdom. For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed by Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. The said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. You may like to check this yourself. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > >After all Moon is the > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So any > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on human > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > >class > > that apparently suffers. > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > Am I missing anything? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon is > the > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So any > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on human > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > class > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect in > the > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > paksha > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other parameters, > like > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, and > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of a > world > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > This is > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses occurring in > one > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > just > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not possible. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see > you > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > groundbreaking > > > though. > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > and if > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > authors > > > suggest. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > (fortnight) > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > whose > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > different > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally > does. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in > > > march2007.. > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > acheive > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > puja's......i > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to > get > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some > online > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > sadhanas and > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance > of > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small > Business. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 -I also have a question on the upcoming lunar eclipse. With regard to travel. Is it okay to travel on the day before or after eclipse? I feel strongly to go and visit my mother and will need to drive a few hours away. She feels very happy that I will visit her. Is seeing one's mother a good thing during lunar eclipse? I would think it would make Chandra happy?? I am Virgo rising with Chandra in 2nd house Libra /Visakha nakshatra. Any one have input? I plan to leave Friday morning. -- In , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see you are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking though. > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and if there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors suggest. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Vikrant, > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha (fortnight) > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in march2007.. > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > study on this if u wish so... > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > upcoming eclipse.. > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas and > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > eclipse.. > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan is on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana(Ama) 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of less than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 tithis then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be astrological tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. In that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said some confusion is there. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses can > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a fortnight. > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total eclipse. > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the same > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at all. > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or kingdom. > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed by > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. The > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. > > You may like to check this yourself. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So any > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on human > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > >class > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon is > > the > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So any > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on human > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > class > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect in > > the > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > > paksha > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other parameters, > > like > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, and > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of a > > world > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > > This is > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses occurring in > > one > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > > just > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not possible. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see > > you > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > groundbreaking > > > > though. > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > > and if > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > > authors > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > (fortnight) > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > > whose > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > > different > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally > > does. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in > > > > march2007.. > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > > acheive > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > puja's......i > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to > > get > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some > > online > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > > sadhanas and > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance > > of > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small > > Business. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hi, Does Mahabharat say that the two eclipses occured during the war? Or during the planning of the war? Also I thought that the mahabharat war started on a amavasya day. The sun being eclipised by krishna during the war. So its unlikely that we can have two solar eclipses within a fortnight.Does mahabharat mention two eclipses or is specific about what kind of eclipses? Satish --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > In that case situation this time is not different. > Chandra Grahan is > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is > Surya Grahana(Ama) > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis > duration. > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in > the span of less > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with > less than 15 tithis > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern > calender day > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. > Mahabharata uses > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it > be astrological > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 > to 36 degrees. In > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. > Then > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats > why I said some > confusion is there. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar > and solar eclipses > can > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur > within a > fortnight. > > And not all of them have at least one of the > eclipse as a total > eclipse. > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the > world and not on the > same > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may > not be seen at > all. > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at > a place or > kingdom. > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April > 2005 was followed > by > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is > 17 days apart. > The > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial > eclipse in the USA. > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have > some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a > fortnight, it is the ruling > > > >class > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact > that a Lunar Eclipse > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring > within two weeks > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the > Lunar Eclipse.) The > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a > pair. > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do > work. After all Moon > is > > > the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have > some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a > fortnight, it is the ruling > > > class > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says > something to this effect > in > > > the > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks > about that being a > > > paksha > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are > also other > parameters, > > > like > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha > nakshatra at that time, > and > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to > the equivalent of > a > > > world > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the > principle behind it. > > > This is > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears > to repeat itself. > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of > eclipses > occurring in > > > one > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the > way in the recently > > > > announced results of state elections in India > two established > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is > mauled badly. More > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in > India is going to poll > > > just > > > > after these eclipses and it would be > interesting to see if the > > > > established government there also suffers > defeat as the current > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is > just not > possible. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and > appreciation, glad to > see > > > you > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- > not always > > > groundbreaking > > > > > though. > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 > eclipses in one sign > > > and if > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in > two signs, as some > > > authors > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur > within a Paksha > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Dear???? I wouldn't let eclipse prevent me from visiting my mother, if I strongly feel like doing that. I I have never seen so far that this phenomena alone brings dramatic events- If in close conjunction with natal planet it can bring some related activity. Mind is affected by eclipses, naturally, as it is on full moon, as well. Dramatization of eclipse effects thus hurt the mind, and as a result one can become oversensitive. Many doom-sayers among astrologers only contribute to this mind-affliction It is historical, deeply ingrained fear of eclipses, and astrologers just add fuel to that ancient fire. How many times you've heard doom predictions related to so many eclipses? And 'end of the world' fortunately hasn't happened.yet! As Chandrashekhar said, eclipses affect gov.establishment rather than individuals. fear you feel may be the worst manifestation of this eclipse! As for a Q that during lunar eclipse it's good to visit mother, I'd say is 'overstretching' in another direction. Mystical as they appear, they do not have corresponding power, fortunately. I'd say it is always good to visit your mother, to make her happy, express love and gratefulness WHILE you still can. Best wishes, Anna lotus7moon <lotus7moon wrote: -I also have a question on the upcoming lunar eclipse. With regard to travel. Is it okay to travel on the day before or after eclipse? I feel strongly to go and visit my mother and will need to drive a few hours away. She feels very happy that I will visit her. Is seeing ones mother a good thing during lunar eclipse? I would think it would make Chandra happy?? I am Virgo rising with Chandra in 2nd house Libra /Visakha nakshatra. Any one have input? I plan to leave Friday morning. -- In , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see you are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking though. > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and if there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors suggest. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Vikrant, > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha (fortnight) > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in march2007.. > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > study on this if u wish so... > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > upcoming eclipse.. > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas and > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > eclipse.. > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Barring the day of eclipse, there is no reason one can not travel. Meeting Mother will certainly please Chandra. Chandrashekhar. lotus7moon wrote: > > -I also have a question on the upcoming lunar eclipse. With regard to > travel. > Is it okay to travel on the day before or after eclipse? I feel > strongly to go and visit my > mother and will need to drive a few hours away. She feels very happy > that I will visit her. > Is seeing one's mother a good thing during lunar eclipse? I would > think it would make > Chandra happy?? I am Virgo rising with Chandra in 2nd house Libra > /Visakha nakshatra. > Any one have input? I plan to leave Friday morning. > > -- In > <%40>, 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see > you are well. I have > seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking though. > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and > if there is any > difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors suggest. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > (fortnight) > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in > march2007.. > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas > and > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Dear Prabodh, Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to be total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the royalty to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma talks about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. If you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used for predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped resulting in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my signature, for your ready reference. I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the alternate lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. Chandrashekhar. ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan is > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana(Ama) > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of less > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 tithis > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be astrological > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. In > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said some > confusion is there. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses > can > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > fortnight. > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > eclipse. > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the > same > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > all. > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > kingdom. > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed > by > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > The > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > >class > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon > is > > > the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > class > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect > in > > > the > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > > > paksha > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > parameters, > > > like > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, > and > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of > a > > > world > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > > > This is > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > occurring in > > > one > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > > > just > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > possible. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to > see > > > you > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > groundbreaking > > > > > though. > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > > > and if > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > > > authors > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > > (fortnight) > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > > > whose > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > > > different > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > generally > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up > in > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > > > acheive > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > puja's......i > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier > to > > > get > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do > some > > > online > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > details on > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > significance > > > of > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small > > > Business. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar, Well, it seemed that our weather was so questionable that when I told my Mother about it she insisted that I not travel to see her! So, I think she was pleased that I thought to go see her/but wanted to protect me. Thank you for your reply! lien , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Barring the day of eclipse, there is no reason one can not travel. > Meeting Mother will certainly please Chandra. > > Chandrashekhar. > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > -I also have a question on the upcoming lunar eclipse. With regard to > > travel. > > Is it okay to travel on the day before or after eclipse? I feel > > strongly to go and visit my > > mother and will need to drive a few hours away. She feels very happy > > that I will visit her. > > Is seeing one's mother a good thing during lunar eclipse? I would > > think it would make > > Chandra happy?? I am Virgo rising with Chandra in 2nd house Libra > > /Visakha nakshatra. > > Any one have input? I plan to leave Friday morning. > > > > -- In > > <%40>, 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see > > you are well. I have > > seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking though. > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and > > if there is any > > difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors suggest. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > (fortnight) > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in > > march2007.. > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas > > and > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar, Sorry for intruding- I have forgotten which year you use- savana or normal/365/? I do know that savana y. is recommended by some authorities, but am not sure if you are among them? Or if you use it for practical, dasa purposes? Warm regards, Anna Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: Dear Prabodh, Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to be total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the royalty to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma talks about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. If you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used for predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped resulting in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my signature, for your ready reference. I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the alternate lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. Chandrashekhar. ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan is > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana(Ama) > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of less > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 tithis > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be astrological > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. In > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said some > confusion is there. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses > can > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > fortnight. > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > eclipse. > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the > same > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > all. > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > kingdom. > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed > by > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > The > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > >class > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon > is > > > the > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > any > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > human > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > class > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect > in > > > the > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > > > paksha > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > parameters, > > > like > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, > and > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of > a > > > world > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > > > This is > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > occurring in > > > one > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > > > just > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > possible. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to > see > > > you > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > groundbreaking > > > > > though. > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > > > and if > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > > > authors > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > > (fortnight) > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > > > whose > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > > > different > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > generally > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up > in > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > > > acheive > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > puja's......i > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier > to > > > get > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do > some > > > online > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > details on > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > significance > > > of > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small > > > Business. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Anna, Thanks for your thoughtful reply! I would have gone ahead to visit her but our weather/ forecast wasn't very good. But next time an eclipse comes at a time I can visit her, I may go ahead with plans. You are so right to say --visit while you can-- My mother is gaining in years now and seems to really appreciate our time together much more than ever before. It was very kind of you to reply from the heart and from knowledge of Jyotish, Thanks, Lien , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear???? > I wouldn't let eclipse prevent me from visiting my mother, if I strongly feel like doing that. I > I have never seen so far that this phenomena alone brings dramatic events- If in close conjunction with natal planet it can bring some related activity. Mind is affected by eclipses, naturally, as it is on full moon, as well. Dramatization of eclipse effects thus hurt the mind, and as a result one can become oversensitive. Many doom-sayers among astrologers only contribute to this mind-affliction > It is historical, deeply ingrained fear of eclipses, and astrologers just add fuel to that ancient fire. How many times you've heard doom predictions related to so many eclipses? And 'end of the world' fortunately hasn't happened.yet! As Chandrashekhar said, eclipses affect gov.establishment rather than individuals. fear you feel may be the worst manifestation of this eclipse! > As for a Q that during lunar eclipse it's good to visit mother, I'd say is 'overstretching' in another direction. Mystical as they appear, they do not have corresponding power, fortunately. I'd say it is always good to visit your mother, to make her happy, express love and gratefulness WHILE you still can. > Best wishes, > Anna > > lotus7moon <lotus7moon wrote: > -I also have a question on the upcoming lunar eclipse. With regard to travel. > Is it okay to travel on the day before or after eclipse? I feel strongly to go and visit my > mother and will need to drive a few hours away. She feels very happy that I will visit her. > Is seeing ones mother a good thing during lunar eclipse? I would think it would make > Chandra happy?? I am Virgo rising with Chandra in 2nd house Libra /Visakha nakshatra. > Any one have input? I plan to leave Friday morning. > > -- In , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to see you are well. I have > seen that eclipses work- not always groundbreaking though. > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign and if there is any > difference when they occur in two signs, as some authors suggest. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha (fortnight) > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections whose > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in different > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it generally does. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up in march2007.. > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and acheive > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special puja's......i > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier to get > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do some online > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more details on > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier sadhanas and > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its significance of > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Anna, I am certainly one of the few users of 360 Savana days for Vimshottari dasha calculation. Narada Samhita tells us to use Savana days for predictions including birth of a child (He says stree garbha+ fetus of a woman). Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > Sorry for intruding- I have forgotten which year you use- savana or > normal/365/? I do know that savana y. is recommended by some > authorities, but am not sure if you are among them? Or if you use it > for practical, dasa purposes? > Warm regards, > Anna > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Prabodh, > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to be > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the royalty > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma talks > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. If > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used for > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped resulting > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my > signature, for your ready reference. > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the alternate > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > Chandrashekhar. > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan is > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana(Ama) > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of less > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 tithis > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be astrological > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. In > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said some > > confusion is there. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses > > can > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > fortnight. > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > > eclipse. > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the > > same > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > > all. > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > kingdom. > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed > > by > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > > The > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > > any > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > > human > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > > >class > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon > > is > > > > the > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > > any > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > > human > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > > class > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect > > in > > > > the > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > > > > paksha > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > parameters, > > > > like > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, > > and > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of > > a > > > > world > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > > > > This is > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > occurring in > > > > one > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > > > > just > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to > > see > > > > you > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > though. > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > > > > and if > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > > > > authors > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > > > > whose > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > > > > different > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > generally > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up > > in > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > > > > acheive > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do > > some > > > > online > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > > details on > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > significance > > > > of > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes in fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said that situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi and not on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like situation may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma parva, bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and both should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That is why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma has said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a eclipse on Trayodashi. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to be > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the royalty > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma talks > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. If > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used for > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped resulting > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my > signature, for your ready reference. > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the alternate > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > Chandrashekhar. > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan is > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana (Ama) > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of less > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 tithis > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be astrological > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. In > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said some > > confusion is there. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar eclipses > > can > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > fortnight. > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > > eclipse. > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on the > > same > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > > all. > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > kingdom. > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was followed > > by > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > > The > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the USA. > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > > any > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > > human > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > > >class > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar Eclipse > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two weeks > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) The > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all Moon > > is > > > > the > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). So > > any > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect on > > human > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the ruling > > > > class > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this effect > > in > > > > the > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that being a > > > > paksha > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > parameters, > > > > like > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that time, > > and > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the equivalent of > > a > > > > world > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind it. > > > > This is > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat itself. > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > occurring in > > > > one > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the recently > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two established > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. More > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to poll > > > > just > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if the > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the current > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, glad to > > see > > > > you > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > though. > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one sign > > > > and if > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as some > > > > authors > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a Paksha > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few elections > > > > whose > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon in > > > > different > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > generally > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming up > > in > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana and > > > > acheive > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is easier > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very high..do > > some > > > > online > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > > details on > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do thier > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > significance > > > > of > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Prabodh, I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen days and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt whether astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good astronomer can comment on that, better. You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a modern day world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of kingdom with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike situation will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long list of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan of nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( during the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only at full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my understanding is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will find it around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of march. And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the evening of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first mail I think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to the ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the states in India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red and that happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma said. He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas and enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba appearing red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my personal opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could hold a different opinion. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes in > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said that > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi and not > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like situation > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma parva, > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and both > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That is > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma has > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to > be > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > royalty > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma > talks > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. > If > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used > for > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > resulting > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > alternate > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan > is > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana > (Ama) > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of > less > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 > tithis > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > astrological > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. > In > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said > some > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > eclipses > > > can > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > > fortnight. > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > > > eclipse. > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on > the > > > same > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > > > all. > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > followed > > > by > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > > > The > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the > USA. > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). > So > > > any > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect > on > > > human > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the > ruling > > > > > >class > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar > Eclipse > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two > weeks > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) > The > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all > Moon > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). > So > > > any > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect > on > > > human > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the > ruling > > > > > class > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this > effect > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > being a > > > > > paksha > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > parameters, > > > > > like > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that > time, > > > and > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > equivalent of > > > a > > > > > world > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind > it. > > > > > This is > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > occurring in > > > > > one > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the > recently > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > established > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. > More > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to > poll > > > > > just > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if > the > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the > current > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, > glad to > > > see > > > > > you > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one > sign > > > > > and if > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as > some > > > > > authors > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a > Paksha > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > elections > > > > > whose > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon > in > > > > > different > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > > generally > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming > up > > > in > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana > and > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is > easier > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > high..do > > > some > > > > > online > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > > > details on > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do > thier > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > significance > > > > > of > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Chandrashkharji, Were these eclipses seen before the war or during it? Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Prabodh, > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha > of thirteen days > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may > be a good astronomer > can comment on that, better. > > You have also to remember that I said that > Mahabharata was a modern day > world war like situation and the effect would be > only loss of kingdom > with these current eclipses. I have never said that > a warlike situation > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > Bhishma gave a long list > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, > shakata bhedan of > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is > looking red( during > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it > happens only at > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, > if my understanding > is right) and if you look at the time of full > eclipse you will find it > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring > on the 4th of march. > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > begins in the evening > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you > read my first mail I > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems > and referred to the > ensuing elections being held soon after the > eclipses, in the states in > India, and those which were held just before the > eclipses began. > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one > should be total > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is > appearing red and that > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that > both should be > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of > what Bhishma said. > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these > ill shakunas and > enumerates many and in continuation says about > Chandra bimba appearing > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of > thirteen days > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > talking about the > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. > This is my personal > opinion and those better at interpretation of > ancient texts could hold a > different opinion. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence > of two eclipes in > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You > even said that > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > repating again. I > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted > to draw your > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on > Trayodashi and not > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only > war like situation > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least > in Bhishma parva, > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should > be total and both > > should be visible at a place to have problems to > the kings. That is > > why I did not give much attention to that point of > yours. Bhisma has > > said that before the War there was > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the > eclipses having to > > be > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a > place for the > > royalty > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that > again. > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana > days), when Bhishma > > talks > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana > days and not tithis. > > If > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > Savana days are used > > for > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > tithis overlapped > > resulting > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is > reproduced below my > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > beginning from first every > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from > 2nd line the > > alternate > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || > 29|| > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not > different. Chandra Grahan > > is > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March > 2007 is Surya Grahana > > (Ama) > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 > tithis duration. > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse > occuring in the span of > > less > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur > with less than 15 > > tithis > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. > Modern calender day > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting > 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. > Should it be > > astrological > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon > by 24 to 36 degrees. > > In > > > > that case it may not be posible to have > eclipse. Then > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me > thats why I said > > some > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear reference to pair of eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not reproduce the Sanskrit text (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough translation will be " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to occur on 13th day; lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a month on 13th day. " SO there is a clear refernce of 13th day(Trayodashi) eclipse in Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings and I suppose all including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to the War like condition. As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I think Punjab elction date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. This should not be considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing fall of govts to eclipse as election were held 18 days before eclipse is a bit far fetched. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen days > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt whether > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good astronomer > can comment on that, better. > > You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a modern day > world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of kingdom > with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike situation > will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long list > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan of > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( during > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only at > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my understanding > is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will find it > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of march. > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the evening > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first mail I > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to the > ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the states in > India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red and that > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma said. > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas and > enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba appearing > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my personal > opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could hold a > different opinion. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes in > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said that > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi and not > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like situation > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma parva, > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and both > > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That is > > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma has > > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having to > > be > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > > royalty > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when Bhishma > > talks > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not tithis. > > If > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are used > > for > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > > resulting > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below my > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first every > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > > alternate > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra Grahan > > is > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya Grahana > > (Ama) > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span of > > less > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 > > tithis > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender day > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > > astrological > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 degrees. > > In > > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I said > > some > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > > eclipses > > > > can > > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > > > fortnight. > > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a total > > > > eclipse. > > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and not on > > the > > > > same > > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be seen at > > > > all. > > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > > followed > > > > by > > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days apart. > > > > The > > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the > > USA. > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). > > So > > > > any > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect > > on > > > > human > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the > > ruling > > > > > > >class > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar > > Eclipse > > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two > > weeks > > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar Eclipse.) > > The > > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After all > > Moon > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self confidence). > > So > > > > any > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some effect > > on > > > > human > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is the > > ruling > > > > > > class > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this > > effect > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > > being a > > > > > > paksha > > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > > parameters, > > > > > > like > > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that > > time, > > > > and > > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > > equivalent of > > > > a > > > > > > world > > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle behind > > it. > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > > occurring in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the > > recently > > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > > established > > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled badly. > > More > > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is going to > > poll > > > > > > just > > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see if > > the > > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the > > current > > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, > > glad to > > > > see > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in one > > sign > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, as > > some > > > > > > authors > > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a > > Paksha > > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > > elections > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, soon > > in > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > > > generally > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse coming > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra sadhana > > and > > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to special > > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is > > easier > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > > high..do > > > > some > > > > > > online > > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for more > > > > details on > > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do > > thier > > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > > significance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Prabodh, I could give the entire list of shakunas and other shlokas in Bhishma Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 days but I think it refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as is indicated by you. I think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction that forms part of Bhishma parva that you are referring to also mentions that on the Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of glow and will look the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that I sent you the sage is saying that he has never seen Amavasya occurring in 13 days (in a paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi does not seem to be the meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are free to put your own interpretation on the shloka. Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know whether the premise is right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses occurred in a period of 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more days than this and the killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off Krishna and Pandava's, sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of Kauravs was sown when Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's palace at Indraprastha. So if we apply the parameters of proximity to within a day of eclipse being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa was wrong in his prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I said those more learned than me are free to draw their own conclusions. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear reference to pair of > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not reproduce the Sanskrit text > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough translation will be > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to occur on 13th day; > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a month on 13th day. " > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings and I suppose all > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to the War like > condition. > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I think Punjab elction > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. This should not be > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing fall of govts to > eclipse as election were held 18 days before eclipse is a bit far > fetched. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen > days > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt > whether > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good > astronomer > > can comment on that, better. > > > > You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a modern > day > > world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of > kingdom > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike > situation > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long > list > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan of > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( > during > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only > at > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my > understanding > > is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will find > it > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of > march. > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the > evening > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first > mail I > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to > the > > ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the states > in > > India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red and > that > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma > said. > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas > and > > enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba > appearing > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my > personal > > opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could > hold a > > different opinion. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes > in > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said that > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi and > not > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like situation > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma > parva, > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and > both > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That > is > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma > has > > > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having > to > > > be > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > > > royalty > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when > Bhishma > > > talks > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not > tithis. > > > If > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are > used > > > for > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > > > resulting > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below > my > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first > every > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > > > alternate > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra > Grahan > > > is > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya > Grahana > > > (Ama) > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span > of > > > less > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 > > > tithis > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender > day > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata > uses > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > > > astrological > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 > degrees. > > > In > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I > said > > > some > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > > > eclipses > > > > > can > > > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > > > > fortnight. > > > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a > total > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and > not on > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be > seen at > > > > > all. > > > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > > > followed > > > > > by > > > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days > apart. > > > > > The > > > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the > > > USA. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > confidence). > > > So > > > > > any > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > effect > > > on > > > > > human > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > the > > > ruling > > > > > > > >class > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar > > > Eclipse > > > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two > > > weeks > > > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar > Eclipse.) > > > The > > > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After > all > > > Moon > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > confidence). > > > So > > > > > any > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > effect > > > on > > > > > human > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > the > > > ruling > > > > > > > class > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this > > > effect > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > > > being a > > > > > > > paksha > > > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > > > parameters, > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that > > > time, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > > > equivalent of > > > > > a > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle > behind > > > it. > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > > > occurring in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the > > > recently > > > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > > > established > > > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled > badly. > > > More > > > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is > going to > > > poll > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see > if > > > the > > > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the > > > current > > > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, > > > glad to > > > > > see > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in > one > > > sign > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, > as > > > some > > > > > > > authors > > > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a > > > Paksha > > > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > > > elections > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, > soon > > > in > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > > > > generally > > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse > coming > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra > sadhana > > > and > > > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to > special > > > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is > > > easier > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > > > high..do > > > > > some > > > > > > > online > > > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for > more > > > > > details on > > > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do > > > thier > > > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > > > significance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Satish, One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that is why Bhishma says in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming of red hue, and perhaps the other was to occur within 13 Savana days therefrom and occurred during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and certainly knew when eclipse would occur and from where it could be viewed. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chandrashkharji, > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or during it? > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha > > of thirteen days > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may > > be a good astronomer > > can comment on that, better. > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > world war like situation and the effect would be > > only loss of kingdom > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that > > a warlike situation > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > Bhishma gave a long list > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, > > shakata bhedan of > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is > > looking red( during > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it > > happens only at > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, > > if my understanding > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > eclipse you will find it > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring > > on the 4th of march. > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > > begins in the evening > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you > > read my first mail I > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems > > and referred to the > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > eclipses, in the states in > > India, and those which were held just before the > > eclipses began. > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one > > should be total > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is > > appearing red and that > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that > > both should be > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of > > what Bhishma said. > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these > > ill shakunas and > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > Chandra bimba appearing > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of > > thirteen days > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > talking about the > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. > > This is my personal > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > ancient texts could hold a > > different opinion. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence > > of two eclipes in > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You > > even said that > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > repating again. I > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted > > to draw your > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on > > Trayodashi and not > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only > > war like situation > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least > > in Bhishma parva, > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should > > be total and both > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to > > the kings. That is > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of > > yours. Bhisma has > > > said that before the War there was > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the > > eclipses having to > > > be > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a > > place for the > > > royalty > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that > > again. > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana > > days), when Bhishma > > > talks > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana > > days and not tithis. > > > If > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > > Savana days are used > > > for > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > > tithis overlapped > > > resulting > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is > > reproduced below my > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > > beginning from first every > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from > > 2nd line the > > > alternate > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || > > 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not > > different. Chandra Grahan > > > is > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March > > 2007 is Surya Grahana > > > (Ama) > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 > > tithis duration. > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse > > occuring in the span of > > > less > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur > > with less than 15 > > > tithis > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. > > Modern calender day > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting > > 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. > > Should it be > > > astrological > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon > > by 24 to 36 degrees. > > > In > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have > > eclipse. Then > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me > > thats why I said > > > some > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > === message truncated === > > ________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited <http://music./unlimited> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release 3/4/2007 1:58 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Chadrashekharji, This is my confusion. Is it true that War started on a Amavasya day ? Can we say that Sun eclipsed was when Jayadratha was killed ? The this 13 days period can not cover both the events. Thanks Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Satish, > One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that > is why Bhishma says > in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming of > red hue, and perhaps > the other was to occur within 13 Savana days > therefrom and occurred > during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and > certainly knew when > eclipse would occur and from where it could be > viewed. > > Chandrashekhar. > > SPK wrote: > > > > Chandrashkharji, > > > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or during > it? > > > > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > Paksha > > > of thirteen days > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, > may > > > be a good astronomer > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > > world war like situation and the effect would be > > > only loss of kingdom > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > that > > > a warlike situation > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > > Bhishma gave a long list > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > Jupiter, > > > shakata bhedan of > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > Chandra is > > > looking red( during > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too > (it > > > happens only at > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > time, > > > if my understanding > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > > eclipse you will find it > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > occurring > > > on the 4th of march. > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > > > begins in the evening > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > you > > > read my first mail I > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > problems > > > and referred to the > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > > eclipses, in the states in > > > India, and those which were held just before the > > > eclipses began. > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least > one > > > should be total > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba > is > > > appearing red and that > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying > that > > > both should be > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation > of > > > what Bhishma said. > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing > these > > > ill shakunas and > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > > Chandra bimba appearing > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha > of > > > thirteen days > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > > talking about the > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the > time. > > > This is my personal > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > > ancient texts could hold a > > > different opinion. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the > occurence > > > of two eclipes in > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. > You > > > even said that > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > > repating again. I > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and > wanted > > > to draw your > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned > occured on > > > Trayodashi and not > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then > only > > > war like situation > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At > least > > > in Bhishma parva, > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse > should > > > be total and both > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems > to > > > the kings. That is > > > > why I did not give much attention to that > point of > > > yours. Bhisma has > > > > said that before the War there was > > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of > the > > > eclipses having to > > > > be > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible > in a > > > place for the > > > > royalty > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read > that > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously > Savana > > > days), when Bhishma > > > > talks > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the > Savana > > > days and not tithis. > > > > If > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > > > Savana days are used > > > > for > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > > > tithis overlapped > > > > resulting > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma > is > > > reproduced below my > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > > > beginning from first every > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and > from > > > 2nd line the > > > > alternate > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste I would be very happy to get correct translation of the shloka 28 and 29 of Bhishma Parva chapter 3. For your ready refernce I am giving the link http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm> 28 : Fourteenth day, Fifteenth day and in past sixteenth day, but I have never known the Amavasya (New Moon day) to occur on the thirteenth day. First Line of 29th shloka is 29: Lunar eclipse followed by solar eclipse on thirteenth day is in a single month ..... This is a clear cut reference of eclipse on 13th day. U.P poll starts on 07-04 phase one and last phase voting is on 08-05-2007. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I could give the entire list of shakunas and other shlokas in Bhishma > Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 days but I think it > refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as is indicated by you. I > think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction that forms part of > Bhishma parva that you are referring to also mentions that on the > Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of glow and will look > the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that I sent you the sage > is saying that he has never seen Amavasya occurring in 13 days (in a > paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi does not seem to be the > meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are free to put your own > interpretation on the shloka. > > Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know whether the premise is > right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses occurred in a period of > 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more days than this and the > killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off Krishna and Pandava's, > sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of Kauravs was sown when > Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's palace at Indraprastha. > So if we apply the parameters of proximity to within a day of eclipse > being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa was wrong in his > prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I said those more > learned than me are free to draw their own conclusions. > > Chandrashekhar. > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear reference to pair of > > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not reproduce the Sanskrit text > > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough translation will be > > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to occur on 13th day; > > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a month on 13th day. " > > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings and I suppose all > > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to the War like > > condition. > > > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I think Punjab elction > > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. This should not be > > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing fall of govts to > > eclipse as election were held 18 days before eclipse is a bit far > > fetched. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen > > days > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt > > whether > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good > > astronomer > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a modern > > day > > > world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of > > kingdom > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike > > situation > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long > > list > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan of > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( > > during > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only > > at > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my > > understanding > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will find > > it > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of > > march. > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the > > evening > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first > > mail I > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to > > the > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the states > > in > > > India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red and > > that > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma > > said. > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas > > and > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba > > appearing > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my > > personal > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could > > hold a > > > different opinion. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes > > in > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said that > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi and > > not > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like situation > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma > > parva, > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and > > both > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That > > is > > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma > > has > > > > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses having > > to > > > > be > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > > > > royalty > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when > > Bhishma > > > > talks > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not > > tithis. > > > > If > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are > > used > > > > for > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > > > > resulting > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced below > > my > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first > > every > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > > > > alternate > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra > > Grahan > > > > is > > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya > > Grahana > > > > (Ama) > > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis duration. > > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the span > > of > > > > less > > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than 15 > > > > tithis > > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender > > day > > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. Mahabharata > > uses > > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > > > > astrological > > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 > > degrees. > > > > In > > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I > > said > > > > some > > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > > > > eclipses > > > > > > can > > > > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within a > > > > > > fortnight. > > > > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a > > total > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and > > not on > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be > > seen at > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place or > > > > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > > > > followed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days > > apart. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in the > > > > USA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > confidence). > > > > So > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > effect > > > > on > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > the > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > >class > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a Lunar > > > > Eclipse > > > > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within two > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar > > Eclipse.) > > > > The > > > > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After > > all > > > > Moon > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > confidence). > > > > So > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > effect > > > > on > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > the > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > class > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to this > > > > effect > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > > > > being a > > > > > > > > paksha > > > > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > > > > parameters, > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at that > > > > time, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > > > > equivalent of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle > > behind > > > > it. > > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to repeat > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > > > > occurring in > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in the > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > > > > established > > > > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled > > badly. > > > > More > > > > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is > > going to > > > > poll > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to see > > if > > > > the > > > > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as the > > > > current > > > > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just not > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and appreciation, > > > > glad to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses in > > one > > > > sign > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two signs, > > as > > > > some > > > > > > > > authors > > > > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within a > > > > Paksha > > > > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > > > > elections > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, > > soon > > > > in > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. it > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse > > coming > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra > > sadhana > > > > and > > > > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to > > special > > > > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it is > > > > easier > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > > > > high..do > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > online > > > > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for > > more > > > > > > details on > > > > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to do > > > > thier > > > > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Friends, The upcoming solar eclipse on the Chaitra Shukla Pratipada day would bring with it ominous events in the mundane affairs of the Country. This can lead to chaos in the world affairs. Already after the lunar eclipse on 4th, calamities have been happening, including the earthquake and the plane crash today morning in Indonesia, where 20 have already been reported dead out of 140 passengers. Keep your fingers crossed as the upcoming year would be an eventful year. regards, Manoj SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Chadrashekharji, This is my confusion. Is it true that War started on a Amavasya day ? Can we say that Sun eclipsed was when Jayadratha was killed ? The this 13 days period can not cover both the events. Thanks Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Satish, > One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that > is why Bhishma says > in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming of > red hue, and perhaps > the other was to occur within 13 Savana days > therefrom and occurred > during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and > certainly knew when > eclipse would occur and from where it could be > viewed. > > Chandrashekhar. > > SPK wrote: > > > > Chandrashkharji, > > > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or during > it? > > > > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > Paksha > > > of thirteen days > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, > may > > > be a good astronomer > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > > world war like situation and the effect would be > > > only loss of kingdom > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > that > > > a warlike situation > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > > Bhishma gave a long list > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > Jupiter, > > > shakata bhedan of > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > Chandra is > > > looking red( during > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too > (it > > > happens only at > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > time, > > > if my understanding > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > > eclipse you will find it > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > occurring > > > on the 4th of march. > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > > > begins in the evening > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > you > > > read my first mail I > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > problems > > > and referred to the > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > > eclipses, in the states in > > > India, and those which were held just before the > > > eclipses began. > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least > one > > > should be total > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba > is > > > appearing red and that > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying > that > > > both should be > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation > of > > > what Bhishma said. > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing > these > > > ill shakunas and > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > > Chandra bimba appearing > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha > of > > > thirteen days > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > > talking about the > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the > time. > > > This is my personal > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > > ancient texts could hold a > > > different opinion. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the > occurence > > > of two eclipes in > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. > You > > > even said that > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > > repating again. I > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and > wanted > > > to draw your > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned > occured on > > > Trayodashi and not > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then > only > > > war like situation > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At > least > > > in Bhishma parva, > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse > should > > > be total and both > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems > to > > > the kings. That is > > > > why I did not give much attention to that > point of > > > yours. Bhisma has > > > > said that before the War there was > > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of > the > > > eclipses having to > > > > be > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible > in a > > > place for the > > > > royalty > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read > that > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously > Savana > > > days), when Bhishma > > > > talks > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the > Savana > > > days and not tithis. > > > > If > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > > > Savana days are used > > > > for > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > > > tithis overlapped > > > > resulting > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma > is > > > reproduced below my > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > > > beginning from first every > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and > from > > > 2nd line the > > > > alternate > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > === message truncated === ________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Hello, Can we not say that in any three month period there are always some minor calamities happening all over the world. Tsunami was a much bigger calmity than small earthquake and a small plane crash. These things keep happening every month. It would be interesting to see this year as this is the first time I have noticed eclipse on a chitra shukla pratipada. Who knows if India loses to Sri lanka and Bangladesh in cricket world cup and crash out in the first round, one can say its a calamity :-)) Satish --- Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > Dear Friends, > > The upcoming solar eclipse on the Chaitra Shukla > Pratipada day would bring with it ominous events in > the mundane affairs of the Country. This can lead to > chaos in the world affairs. Already after the lunar > eclipse on 4th, calamities have been happening, > including the earthquake and the plane crash today > morning in Indonesia, where 20 have already been > reported dead out of 140 passengers. Keep your > fingers crossed as the upcoming year would be an > eventful year. > > regards, > > Manoj > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Chadrashekharji, > > This is my confusion. Is it true that War started on > a > Amavasya day ? Can we say that Sun eclipsed was when > Jayadratha was killed ? The this 13 days period can > not cover both the events. > > Thanks > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that > > is why Bhishma says > > in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming > of > > red hue, and perhaps > > the other was to occur within 13 Savana days > > therefrom and occurred > > during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and > > certainly knew when > > eclipse would occur and from where it could be > > viewed. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashkharji, > > > > > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or > during > > it? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > > Paksha > > > > of thirteen days > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on > Trayodashi, > > may > > > > be a good astronomer > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > > > world war like situation and the effect would > be > > > > only loss of kingdom > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > > that > > > > a warlike situation > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > > > Bhishma gave a long list > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > > Jupiter, > > > > shakata bhedan of > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > > Chandra is > > > > looking red( during > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse > too > > (it > > > > happens only at > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > > time, > > > > if my understanding > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > > > eclipse you will find it > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > > occurring > > > > on the 4th of march. > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar > eclipse > > > > begins in the evening > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > > you > > > > read my first mail I > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > > problems > > > > and referred to the > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > > > eclipses, in the states in > > > > India, and those which were held just before > the > > > > eclipses began. > > > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least > > one > > > > should be total > > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba > > is > > > > appearing red and that > > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying > > that > > > > both should be > > > > visible, I differ with you in the > interpretation > > of > > > > what Bhishma said. > > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing > > these > > > > ill shakunas and > > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > > > Chandra bimba appearing > > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha > > of > > > > thirteen days > > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > > > talking about the > > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the > > time. > > > > This is my personal > > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > > > ancient texts could hold a > > > > different opinion. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the > > occurence > > > > of two eclipes in > > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to > kings. > > You > > > > even said that > > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > > > repating again. I > > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and > > wanted > > > > to draw your > > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned > > occured on > > > > Trayodashi and not > > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then > > only > > > > war like situation > > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At > > least > > > > in Bhishma parva, > > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse > > should > > > > be total and both > > > > > should be visible at a place to have > problems > > to > > > > the kings. That is > > > > > why I did not give much attention to that > > point of > > > > yours. Bhisma has > > > > > said that before the War there was > > > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Prabodhji, Thirteenth day daoes not mean 13th tithi or trayodashi. Eclipse on trayodashi is astronomical impossibility as angular distance between sun and the moon can not allow it, it is impossible on Trayodashi. Satish --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > I would be very happy to get correct translation of > the shloka 28 and 29 > of Bhishma Parva chapter 3. For your ready refernce > I am giving the link > > http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm> > > 28 : Fourteenth day, Fifteenth day and in past > sixteenth day, but I have > never known the Amavasya (New Moon day) to occur on > the thirteenth day. > > First Line of 29th shloka is > > 29: Lunar eclipse followed by solar eclipse on > thirteenth day is in a > single month ..... > > This is a clear cut reference of eclipse on 13th > day. > > U.P poll starts on 07-04 phase one and last phase > voting is on > 08-05-2007. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I could give the entire list of shakunas and other > shlokas in Bhishma > > Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 > days but I think it > > refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as > is indicated by you. > I > > think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction > that forms part of > > Bhishma parva that you are referring to also > mentions that on the > > Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of > glow and will look > > the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that > I sent you the sage > > is saying that he has never seen Amavasya > occurring in 13 days (in a > > paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi > does not seem to be > the > > meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are > free to put your > own > > interpretation on the shloka. > > > > Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know > whether the premise > is > > right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses > occurred in a period > of > > 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more > days than this and the > > killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off > Krishna and Pandava's, > > sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of > Kauravs was sown > when > > Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's > palace at > Indraprastha. > > So if we apply the parameters of proximity to > within a day of eclipse > > being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa > was wrong in his > > prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I > said those more > > learned than me are free to draw their own > conclusions. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear > reference to pair of > > > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not > reproduce the Sanskrit > text > > > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough > translation will be > > > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to > occur on 13th day; > > > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a > month on 13th day. " > > > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th > day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > > > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > > > > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings > and I suppose all > > > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to > the War like > > > condition. > > > > > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I > think Punjab > elction > > > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. > This should not be > > > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing > fall of govts to > > > eclipse as election were held 18 days before > eclipse is a bit far > > > fetched. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > Paksha of thirteen > > > days > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > Trayodashi. I doubt > > > whether > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on > Trayodashi, may be a good > > > astronomer > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > Mahabharata was a > modern > > > day > > > > world war like situation and the effect would > be only loss of > > > kingdom > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > that a warlike > > > situation > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > Bhishma gave a long > > > list > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > Jupiter, shakata bhedan > of > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > Chandra is looking red( > > > during > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse > too (it happens only > > > at > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > time, if my > > > understanding > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > eclipse you will > find > > > it > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > occurring on the 4th of > > > march. > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar > eclipse begins in the > > > evening > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > you read my first > > > mail I > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > problems and referred to > > > the > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > eclipses, in the > states > > > in > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Satish ji Namaste I understand that Trayodashi if taken in Astrological sense,eclipse can not occur on it. But Mahabarata does mention that. Now the question is which Trayodashi is this then? It should be Solar day. & #2330; & #2344; & #2381; & #2341; & #2381; & #2352; & #2360; & #2370; & #2352; & #2381; & #2351; & #2\ 366; & #2357; & #2313; & #2349; & #2380; & #2327; & #2352; & #2360; & #2381; & #2340; & #2366; & #2357; & #2319; & #2325; & #2350; & #2366; & #2360; & #2375; & #2340; & #2352; & #2351; & #2378; & #2341; & #2358; & #2368; & #2350; & #2309; & #2346; & #2352; & #2381; & #2357; & #2339; & #2367; & #2327; & #2352; & #2361; & #2366; & #2357; & #2319; & #2340; & #2380; & #2346; & #2352; & #2332; & #2366; & #2307; & #2360; & #2306; & #2325; & #2381; & #2359; & #2346; & #2351; & #2367; & #2359; & #2381; & #2351; & #2\ 340; & #2307; read the last word of first line it is Trayodashim. Complete reference can be at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm I hope link works now. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Prabodhji, > > Thirteenth day daoes not mean 13th tithi or > trayodashi. Eclipse on trayodashi is astronomical > impossibility as angular distance between sun and the > moon can not allow it, it is impossible on Trayodashi. > > > Satish > --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > I would be very happy to get correct translation of > > the shloka 28 and 29 > > of Bhishma Parva chapter 3. For your ready refernce > > I am giving the link > > > > http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm > > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm> > > > > 28 : Fourteenth day, Fifteenth day and in past > > sixteenth day, but I have > > never known the Amavasya (New Moon day) to occur on > > the thirteenth day. > > > > First Line of 29th shloka is > > > > 29: Lunar eclipse followed by solar eclipse on > > thirteenth day is in a > > single month ..... > > > > This is a clear cut reference of eclipse on 13th > > day. > > > > U.P poll starts on 07-04 phase one and last phase > > voting is on > > 08-05-2007. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I could give the entire list of shakunas and other > > shlokas in Bhishma > > > Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 > > days but I think it > > > refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as > > is indicated by you. > > I > > > think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction > > that forms part of > > > Bhishma parva that you are referring to also > > mentions that on the > > > Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of > > glow and will look > > > the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that > > I sent you the sage > > > is saying that he has never seen Amavasya > > occurring in 13 days (in a > > > paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi > > does not seem to be > > the > > > meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are > > free to put your > > own > > > interpretation on the shloka. > > > > > > Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know > > whether the premise > > is > > > right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses > > occurred in a period > > of > > > 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more > > days than this and the > > > killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off > > Krishna and Pandava's, > > > sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of > > Kauravs was sown > > when > > > Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's > > palace at > > Indraprastha. > > > So if we apply the parameters of proximity to > > within a day of eclipse > > > being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa > > was wrong in his > > > prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I > > said those more > > > learned than me are free to draw their own > > conclusions. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > > > > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear > > reference to pair of > > > > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not > > reproduce the Sanskrit > > text > > > > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough > > translation will be > > > > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to > > occur on 13th day; > > > > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a > > month on 13th day. " > > > > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th > > day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > > > > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > > > > > > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings > > and I suppose all > > > > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to > > the War like > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I > > think Punjab > > elction > > > > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. > > This should not be > > > > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing > > fall of govts to > > > > eclipse as election were held 18 days before > > eclipse is a bit far > > > > fetched. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > > Paksha of thirteen > > > > days > > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > Trayodashi. I doubt > > > > whether > > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on > > Trayodashi, may be a good > > > > astronomer > > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > Mahabharata was a > > modern > > > > day > > > > > world war like situation and the effect would > > be only loss of > > > > kingdom > > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > > that a warlike > > > > situation > > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > Bhishma gave a long > > > > list > > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > > Jupiter, shakata bhedan > > of > > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > > Chandra is looking red( > > > > during > > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse > > too (it happens only > > > > at > > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > > time, if my > > > > understanding > > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > eclipse you will > > find > > > > it > > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > > occurring on the 4th of > > > > march. > > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar > > eclipse begins in the > > > > evening > > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > > you read my first > > > > mail I > > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > > problems and referred to > > > > the > > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > eclipses, in the > > states > > > > in > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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