Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 ||| aum namO bhagavathE vAsudEvAya ||| Namaste Prabodh ji, Why are you interpreting 'trayOdashi' of the slOkas to mean the tithi trayOdashi. From the context, isn't it very clear that it just means the count/number 13. If tithi was intended, then what does 'shOdashi' mean? A new sixteenth tithi or just the count of 16? I'm not well learned in sanskrit, but to me it is very clear the slOka means that earlier amAvAsya had occured on 14th, 15th and even 16th day from pourNami (implied and in this case the day of Lunar Eclipse). But that was the first time, the speaker/narrator is observing amAvAsya (and hence the Solar Eclipse) occuring on 13th day from the pourNami (or Lunar Eclipse) and it is unusual. The reference day for the count seems to be the observed day (sunrise to sunrise). regards -Prasad , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > I would be very happy to get correct translation of the shloka 28 and 29 > of Bhishma Parva chapter 3. For your ready refernce I am giving the link > > http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm> > > 28 : Fourteenth day, Fifteenth day and in past sixteenth day, but I have > never known the Amavasya (New Moon day) to occur on the thirteenth day. > > First Line of 29th shloka is > > 29: Lunar eclipse followed by solar eclipse on thirteenth day is in a > single month ..... > > This is a clear cut reference of eclipse on 13th day. > > U.P poll starts on 07-04 phase one and last phase voting is on > 08-05-2007. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I could give the entire list of shakunas and other shlokas in Bhishma > > Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 days but I think it > > refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as is indicated by you. > I > > think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction that forms part of > > Bhishma parva that you are referring to also mentions that on the > > Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of glow and will look > > the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that I sent you the sage > > is saying that he has never seen Amavasya occurring in 13 days (in a > > paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi does not seem to be > the > > meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are free to put your > own > > interpretation on the shloka. > > > > Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know whether the premise > is > > right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses occurred in a period > of > > 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more days than this and the > > killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off Krishna and Pandava's, > > sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of Kauravs was sown > when > > Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's palace at > Indraprastha. > > So if we apply the parameters of proximity to within a day of eclipse > > being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa was wrong in his > > prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I said those more > > learned than me are free to draw their own conclusions. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear reference to pair of > > > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not reproduce the Sanskrit > text > > > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough translation will be > > > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to occur on 13th day; > > > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a month on 13th day. " > > > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > > > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > > > > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings and I suppose all > > > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to the War like > > > condition. > > > > > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I think Punjab > elction > > > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. This should not be > > > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing fall of govts to > > > eclipse as election were held 18 days before eclipse is a bit far > > > fetched. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen > > > days > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt > > > whether > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good > > > astronomer > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a > modern > > > day > > > > world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of > > > kingdom > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike > > > situation > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long > > > list > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan > of > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( > > > during > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only > > > at > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my > > > understanding > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will > find > > > it > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of > > > march. > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the > > > evening > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first > > > mail I > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to > > > the > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the > states > > > in > > > > India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. > > > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total > > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red > and > > > that > > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be > > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma > > > said. > > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas > > > and > > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba > > > appearing > > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days > > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the > > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my > > > personal > > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could > > > hold a > > > > different opinion. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes > > > in > > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said > that > > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi > and > > > not > > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like > situation > > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma > > > parva, > > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and > > > both > > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That > > > is > > > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma > > > has > > > > > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and > a > > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses > having > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > > > > > royalty > > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when > > > Bhishma > > > > > talks > > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not > > > tithis. > > > > > If > > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are > > > used > > > > > for > > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > > > > > resulting > > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced > below > > > my > > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first > > > every > > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > > > > > alternate > > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca > ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà > trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù > saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra > > > Grahan > > > > > is > > > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya > > > Grahana > > > > > (Ama) > > > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis > duration. > > > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the > span > > > of > > > > > less > > > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than > 15 > > > > > tithis > > > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender > > > day > > > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. > Mahabharata > > > uses > > > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 > > > degrees. > > > > > In > > > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I > > > said > > > > > some > > > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > > > > > eclipses > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within > a > > > > > > > fortnight. > > > > > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a > > > total > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and > > > not on > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be > > > seen at > > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place > or > > > > > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > > > > > followed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days > > > apart. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in > the > > > > > USA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > > confidence). > > > > > So > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > > effect > > > > > on > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > > the > > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > > >class > > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a > Lunar > > > > > Eclipse > > > > > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within > two > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar > > > Eclipse.) > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After > > > all > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > > confidence). > > > > > So > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > > effect > > > > > on > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > > the > > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > > class > > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to > this > > > > > effect > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > paksha > > > > > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > > > > > parameters, > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at > that > > > > > time, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > > > > > equivalent of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle > > > behind > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to > repeat > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > > > > > occurring in > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in > the > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled > > > badly. > > > > > More > > > > > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is > > > going to > > > > > poll > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to > see > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just > not > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and > appreciation, > > > > > glad to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses > in > > > one > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two > signs, > > > as > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > authors > > > > > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within > a > > > > > Paksha > > > > > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > > > > > elections > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, > > > soon > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. > it > > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse > > > coming > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to > > > special > > > > > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it > is > > > > > easier > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > > > > > high..do > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > online > > > > > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for > > > more > > > > > > > details on > > > > > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to > do > > > > > thier > > > > > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Hi everyone Thought some might be interested in a tropical version of the effect of eclipses, if not don't read on: We had a massive scandal early Feb in the UK with regard to bird flu, so I wasn't surprised to read Raphael's description of the outcome of eclipses in water signs:- .....great destruction of fowls and fishes..... In September last year we had the eclipse in tropical Pisces, and in Feb this year we sadly witnessed on TV the debacle of hundreds of dolphins with throats slit still writhing in agony on the shores of Japan ready to be sent to restaurants.... At the same time we had thousands of turkeys slaughtered in the UK due to bird flu being transported from Poland to the South of England factory farm. Hope the coming eclipse in Pisces (tropical) doesn't give us a return visit to such scenes M - Chandrashekhar Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:00 PM Re: Re: upcoming eclipse Dear Satish, One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that is why Bhishma says in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming of red hue, and perhaps the other was to occur within 13 Savana days therefrom and occurred during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and certainly knew when eclipse would occur and from where it could be viewed. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chandrashkharji, > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or during it? > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha > > of thirteen days > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may > > be a good astronomer > > can comment on that, better. > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > world war like situation and the effect would be > > only loss of kingdom > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that > > a warlike situation > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > Bhishma gave a long list > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, > > shakata bhedan of > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is > > looking red( during > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it > > happens only at > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, > > if my understanding > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > eclipse you will find it > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring > > on the 4th of march. > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > > begins in the evening > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you > > read my first mail I > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems > > and referred to the > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > eclipses, in the states in > > India, and those which were held just before the > > eclipses began. > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one > > should be total > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is > > appearing red and that > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that > > both should be > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of > > what Bhishma said. > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these > > ill shakunas and > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > Chandra bimba appearing > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of > > thirteen days > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > talking about the > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. > > This is my personal > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > ancient texts could hold a > > different opinion. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence > > of two eclipes in > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You > > even said that > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > repating again. I > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted > > to draw your > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on > > Trayodashi and not > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only > > war like situation > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least > > in Bhishma parva, > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should > > be total and both > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to > > the kings. That is > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of > > yours. Bhisma has > > > said that before the War there was > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the > > eclipses having to > > > be > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a > > place for the > > > royalty > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that > > again. > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana > > days), when Bhishma > > > talks > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana > > days and not tithis. > > > If > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > > Savana days are used > > > for > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > > tithis overlapped > > > resulting > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is > > reproduced below my > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > > beginning from first every > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from > > 2nd line the > > > alternate > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù saìkñapayiñyataù || > > 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not > > different. Chandra Grahan > > > is > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March > > 2007 is Surya Grahana > > > (Ama) > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 > > tithis duration. > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse > > occuring in the span of > > > less > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur > > with less than 15 > > > tithis > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. > > Modern calender day > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting > > 'days'. Mahabharata uses > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. > > Should it be > > > astrological > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon > > by 24 to 36 degrees. > > > In > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have > > eclipse. Then > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me > > thats why I said > > > some > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > === message truncated === > > ________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited <http://music./unlimited> > > > ------------------------- > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release 3/4/2007 1:58 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Satish, You made me not only think but do a bit of search and I think what happened was that the Lunar eclipse occurred 13 days prior to the beginning of the Mahabharata war, the war itself beginning on Amavasya which was a solar eclipse. I find Dr. Vartak also interpreting Vyasa's statements in similar fashion. The killing of Jaidratha could not have happened at Solar eclipse, if this is the factual position. It could be that some peculiar cloud position occurred at that time to make it appear as if Sun had set. I am sorry to have caused the confusion though it appears that my contention of Lunar eclipse preceding Solar eclipse appears to be correct. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chadrashekharji, > > This is my confusion. Is it true that War started on a > Amavasya day ? Can we say that Sun eclipsed was when > Jayadratha was killed ? The this 13 days period can > not cover both the events. > > Thanks > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > One, the (lunar one) was seen before the war, that > > is why Bhishma says > > in earlier shlokas about the Moon being becoming of > > red hue, and perhaps > > the other was to occur within 13 Savana days > > therefrom and occurred > > during the war. Hindus were good astronomers and > > certainly knew when > > eclipse would occur and from where it could be > > viewed. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashkharji, > > > > > > Were these eclipses seen before the war or during > > it? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a > > Paksha > > > > of thirteen days > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a > > > > Trayodashi. I doubt whether > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, > > may > > > > be a good astronomer > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that > > > > Mahabharata was a modern day > > > > world war like situation and the effect would be > > > > only loss of kingdom > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said > > that > > > > a warlike situation > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. > > > > Bhishma gave a long list > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and > > Jupiter, > > > > shakata bhedan of > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the > > Chandra is > > > > looking red( during > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too > > (it > > > > happens only at > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset > > time, > > > > if my understanding > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full > > > > eclipse you will find it > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse > > occurring > > > > on the 4th of march. > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse > > > > begins in the evening > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if > > you > > > > read my first mail I > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face > > problems > > > > and referred to the > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the > > > > eclipses, in the states in > > > > India, and those which were held just before the > > > > eclipses began. > > > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least > > one > > > > should be total > > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba > > is > > > > appearing red and that > > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying > > that > > > > both should be > > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation > > of > > > > what Bhishma said. > > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing > > these > > > > ill shakunas and > > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about > > > > Chandra bimba appearing > > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha > > of > > > > thirteen days > > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is > > > > talking about the > > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the > > time. > > > > This is my personal > > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of > > > > ancient texts could hold a > > > > different opinion. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the > > occurence > > > > of two eclipes in > > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. > > You > > > > even said that > > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to > > > > repating again. I > > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and > > wanted > > > > to draw your > > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned > > occured on > > > > Trayodashi and not > > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then > > only > > > > war like situation > > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At > > least > > > > in Bhishma parva, > > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse > > should > > > > be total and both > > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems > > to > > > > the kings. That is > > > > > why I did not give much attention to that > > point of > > > > yours. Bhisma has > > > > > said that before the War there was > > > > Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and a > > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of > > the > > > > eclipses having to > > > > > be > > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible > > in a > > > > place for the > > > > > royalty > > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read > > that > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously > > Savana > > > > days), when Bhishma > > > > > talks > > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the > > Savana > > > > days and not tithis. > > > > > If > > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that > > > > Savana days are used > > > > > for > > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the > > > > tithis overlapped > > > > > resulting > > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma > > is > > > > reproduced below my > > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual > > > > beginning from first every > > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and > > from > > > > 2nd line the > > > > > alternate > > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > === message truncated === > > ________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv./collections/265 <http://tv./collections/265> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release 3/4/2007 1:58 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Prabodh, I think the link you sent is an old downloaded text that you have. When I clicked it, I get the sacred texts page with the information that the Domain is for sale. The shlokas do not appear there. However I am certain that the trayodashim does not refer to the 13th tithi (Lunar) as Grahana can not then occur. The paksha may be of 13 days due to Kshaya tithi etc. and the reference could be to that. I wish some Sanskrit Pandit renders a good translation for all of us to learn from. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > I would be very happy to get correct translation of the shloka 28 and 29 > of Bhishma Parva chapter 3. For your ready refernce I am giving the link > > http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm> > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm > <http://www.sacredtexts.com/hin/mbs/mbs06003.htm>> > > 28 : Fourteenth day, Fifteenth day and in past sixteenth day, but I have > never known the Amavasya (New Moon day) to occur on the thirteenth day. > > First Line of 29th shloka is > > 29: Lunar eclipse followed by solar eclipse on thirteenth day is in a > single month ..... > > This is a clear cut reference of eclipse on 13th day. > > U.P poll starts on 07-04 phase one and last phase voting is on > 08-05-2007. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > I could give the entire list of shakunas and other shlokas in Bhishma > > Parva. There is no doubt the reference is to 13 days but I think it > > refers to a Paksha of 13 days and not a month as is indicated by you. > I > > think Vyasa told to Vichitraveerya the prediction that forms part of > > Bhishma parva that you are referring to also mentions that on the > > Purnima of Kartik month the moon will be devoid of glow and will look > > the colour of fire. If you look at the shloka that I sent you the sage > > is saying that he has never seen Amavasya occurring in 13 days (in a > > paksha). So the eclipse occurring on Trayodashi does not seem to be > the > > meaning of the shloka. However, as I said, you are free to put your > own > > interpretation on the shloka. > > > > Let us see what happens in U.P. and we shall know whether the premise > is > > right or wrong. By the way, though the eclipses occurred in a period > of > > 13 days, the war of Mahabharata lasted for more days than this and the > > killings continued till Ashvatthaama wiped off Krishna and Pandava's, > > sons and the seed of the war and eventual fall of Kauravs was sown > when > > Draupadi laughed at Duryodhan in Yudhishthira's palace at > Indraprastha. > > So if we apply the parameters of proximity to within a day of eclipse > > being necessary for fall of a kingdom, sage Vyasa was wrong in his > > prediction. I do not think that is right. But as I said those more > > learned than me are free to draw their own conclusions. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji Namaste > > > > > > Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19 there is clear reference to pair of > > > eclipses occurring on 13th day. I can not reproduce the Sanskrit > text > > > (no Sanskrit fonts with me right now) but rough translation will be > > > " Sage Vyaasa said-I have never known Amavasya to occur on 13th day; > > > lunar and solar eclipses both occurring in a month on 13th day. " > > > SO there is a clear refernce of 13th day(Trayodashi) eclipse in > > > Bhisma parva in Mahabharata. > > > > > > Udyoga Parva gives the detail shakuna listings and I suppose all > > > including Grahana on 13th day will contribute to the War like > > > condition. > > > > > > As far as elections and Grahana are concerned, I think Punjab > elction > > > date was 13-02-2007;17/18 days before Grahana. This should not be > > > considred as 'Just' before Grahana. Attributing fall of govts to > > > eclipse as election were held 18 days before eclipse is a bit far > > > fetched. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I think what Bhishma is saying that this is a Paksha of thirteen > > > days > > > > and not that the eclipse is occurring on a Trayodashi. I doubt > > > whether > > > > astronomically eclipse can occur on Trayodashi, may be a good > > > astronomer > > > > can comment on that, better. > > > > > > > > You have also to remember that I said that Mahabharata was a > modern > > > day > > > > world war like situation and the effect would be only loss of > > > kingdom > > > > with these current eclipses. I have never said that a warlike > > > situation > > > > will arise on account of the current eclipses. Bhishma gave a long > > > list > > > > of shakunas etc., position of Saturn and Jupiter, shakata bhedan > of > > > > nakshatras etc. but he also said that the Chandra is looking red( > > > during > > > > the eclipse), which happened in this eclipse too (it happens only > > > at > > > > full eclipse, and perhaps at sunrise or sunset time, if my > > > understanding > > > > is right) and if you look at the time of full eclipse you will > find > > > it > > > > around Sunrise time making it an eclipse occurring on the 4th of > > > march. > > > > And if memory serves me right, the solar eclipse begins in the > > > evening > > > > of the 18th of March in India. By the way, if you read my first > > > mail I > > > > think I said that the kingdoms will face problems and referred to > > > the > > > > ensuing elections being held soon after the eclipses, in the > states > > > in > > > > India, and those which were held just before the eclipses began. > > > > > > > > I agree that Bhishma did not say that at least one should be total > > > > eclipse but he does say that the Chandra bimba is appearing red > and > > > that > > > > happens in total eclipse. About his not saying that both should be > > > > visible, I differ with you in the interpretation of what Bhishma > > > said. > > > > He begins the chapter by saying I am observing these ill shakunas > > > and > > > > enumerates many and in continuation says about Chandra bimba > > > appearing > > > > red and there being 2 eclipses within a paksha of thirteen days > > > > indicating bad time for Kauravs. I think he is talking about the > > > > eclipses that will be seen in Bharat at the time. This is my > > > personal > > > > opinion and those better at interpretation of ancient texts could > > > hold a > > > > different opinion. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > In the earlier mails you emphasised the occurence of two eclipes > > > in > > > > > fortnight as the cause of sufferings to kings. You even said > that > > > > > situation described in Bhisma parva seems to repating again. I > > > > > thought hat it may not be all correct and wanted to draw your > > > > > attention that eclipse Bhisma mentioned occured on Trayodashi > and > > > not > > > > > on Amavaysa/Poornima. If that happens then only war like > situation > > > > > may arise not after every Grahana pairs. At least in Bhishma > > > parva, > > > > > bhishma did not say that one of the eclipse should be total and > > > both > > > > > should be visible at a place to have problems to the kings. That > > > is > > > > > why I did not give much attention to that point of yours. Bhisma > > > has > > > > > said that before the War there was Lunar-Solar-Lunar eclipse and > a > > > > > eclipse on Trayodashi. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read about what I said about one of the eclipses > having > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > total eclipse and both having to be visible in a place for the > > > > > royalty > > > > > > to be affected? it seems you have not. read that again. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the paksha of 13 days (obviously Savana days), when > > > Bhishma > > > > > talks > > > > > > about a paksha of 13 days he means the Savana days and not > > > tithis. > > > > > If > > > > > > you read Narada Samhita you will notice that Savana days are > > > used > > > > > for > > > > > > predictions and not the Lunar days. How the tithis overlapped > > > > > resulting > > > > > > in a Paksha of 13 days, is given by Bhishma is reproduced > below > > > my > > > > > > signature, for your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am highlighting the text and as usual beginning from first > > > every > > > > > > alternate line is in Sanskrit99 font and from 2nd line the > > > > > alternate > > > > > > lines are in ULW Palladio fonts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ctudRzI--- pÂdzI--- ÉUtpUva¡ c ;aefzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > > > caturdaçéà païcadaçéà bhütapürväà ca > ñoòaçém | > > > > > > > > > > > > #ma< tu naiÉjanaim AmavaSya< ÇyaedzIm!. 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > imäà tu näbhijänämi amäväsyäà > trayodaçém || 28|| > > > > > > > > > > > > cNÔsUyaRvuÉaE ¢Stavekmase ÇyaedzIm!, > > > > > > > > > > > > candrasüryävubhau grastävekamäse trayodaçém | > > > > > > > > > > > > ApvRi[ ¢havetaE àja> s'oe]piy:yt>. 29. > > > > > > > > > > > > aparvaëi grahävetau prajäù > saìkñapayiñyataù || 29|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case situation this time is not different. Chandra > > > Grahan > > > > > is > > > > > > > on 3rd March 2007 (Pornima) and 19th March 2007 is Surya > > > Grahana > > > > > (Ama) > > > > > > > 17 days apart. In this it is again normal 15 tithis > duration. > > > > > > > Mahabharata has a reference of 2 eclipse occuring in the > span > > > of > > > > > less > > > > > > > than 15 tithis. I think when eclipses occur with less than > 15 > > > > > tithis > > > > > > > then possibly war like situation can happen. Modern calender > > > day > > > > > > > concept may not be applicable in counting 'days'. > Mahabharata > > > uses > > > > > > > the word 'Trayodashi' to mean 13th tithi. Should it be > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > tithi then the Sun will be ahead of the Moon by 24 to 36 > > > degrees. > > > > > In > > > > > > > that case it may not be posible to have eclipse. Then > > > > > > > what 'Trayodashi' means? It is not clear to me thats why I > > > said > > > > > some > > > > > > > confusion is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no confusion. Though more or less lunar and solar > > > > > eclipses > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > occur within a fortnight, they do not always occur within > a > > > > > > > fortnight. > > > > > > > > And not all of them have at least one of the eclipse as a > > > total > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > Again these eclipses are not seen all over the world and > > > not on > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > Savana day with same intensity and sometimes may not be > > > seen at > > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > Samhita results depends on the phenomenon seen at a place > or > > > > > > > kingdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example Hybrid solar eclipse on 8th of April 2005 was > > > > > followed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Penumbral Lunar eclipse on 24th of April, that is 17 days > > > apart. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > said solar eclipse was only seen as a partial eclipse in > the > > > > > USA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check this yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After all Moon is the > > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > > confidence). > > > > > So > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > > effect > > > > > on > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > > the > > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > > >class > > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is some confusion. It is a fact that a > Lunar > > > > > Eclipse > > > > > > > > > cannot occur without a Solar Eclipse occurring within > two > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > (either before the Lunar Eclipse or after the Lunar > > > Eclipse.) > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Eclipses - Lunar and Solar - ALWAYS happen as a pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine, now. You are right eclipses do work. After > > > all > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > karaka for mind and Sun for the Atmabala (self > > > confidence). > > > > > So > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > affliction to either of these is going to have some > > > effect > > > > > on > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings. But when both occur within a fortnight, it is > > > the > > > > > ruling > > > > > > > > > class > > > > > > > > > > that apparently suffers. Bhishma says something to > this > > > > > effect > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > epic Mahabharata in Bhishma Parva. he talks about that > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > paksha > > > > > > > > > > (lunar fortnight) of 13 days and there are also other > > > > > > > parameters, > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Jupiter placed in Vishakha nakshatra at > that > > > > > time, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > shakunas mentioned. But that configuration to the > > > > > equivalent of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > war of that era. We have to understand the principle > > > behind > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > from the Samhita part of Jyotisha and appears to > repeat > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think more than the rasis it is the fact of eclipses > > > > > > > occurring in > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > fortnight that is more relevant here. By the way in > the > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > announced results of state elections in India two > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > governments lost and in the third state it is mauled > > > badly. > > > > > More > > > > > > > > > > interestingly the largest of the state in India is > > > going to > > > > > poll > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > after these eclipses and it would be interesting to > see > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > established government there also suffers defeat as > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > traditional political wisdom says that this is just > not > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read all your posts with interest and > appreciation, > > > > > glad to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are well. I have seen that eclipses work- not always > > > > > > > > > groundbreaking > > > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious to learn what you think of 2 eclipses > in > > > one > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > there is any difference when they occur in two > signs, > > > as > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > authors > > > > > > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vikrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also said that when two eclipses occur within > a > > > > > Paksha > > > > > > > > > (fortnight) > > > > > > > > > > > the established King is vanquished. There are a few > > > > > elections > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > results are expected and those which are to be held, > > > soon > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > states of India let us find out if this comes true. > it > > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to make everyone aware..there are 2 eclipse > > > coming > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > one is lunar eclispe on 3,4march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > and then solar eclipse on 19march2007.. > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse is very very favoured time to do mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > acheive > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi fast..it is also favoured time to > > > special > > > > > > > > > puja's......i > > > > > > > > > > > > have read and understood that during this time it > is > > > > > easier > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra siddhi since the planetary energy is very > > > > > high..do > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > online > > > > > > > > > > > > study on this if u wish so... > > > > > > > > > > > > pls check ur local panchag or hindu calender for > > > more > > > > > > > details on > > > > > > > > > > > > upcoming eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > tantricks,yogis wait long long for such times to > do > > > > > thier > > > > > > > > > sadhanas and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual practise's as they are well aware of its > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Dear Lien,, Thank you for understanding me right- I realized, as soon as I've sent the message that you've touched my own soft spot- My mother is 80 and in a good shape, but it is scary to see the time flying! On another note, one cannot change all activities each time eclipse occur. Best wishes, Anna We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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