Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Patnaik ji, There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the word 'Swacha'. ==> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain <== Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e. Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and exaltation). But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other choices - * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra) Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign or exaltation' to complete the count of five. But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more confusion than clarity. Love, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am > giving below the slokas connected with > the birth : > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > 3. The lagna is Cancer > 4. Moon is in lagna > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be > with Moon on a Navami day. > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places > can be fixed only by discussion > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from > all of you. > > with best regards, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear sreenadh, ...about with many hooligans were making so much noise. Actually, I am wonder stuck that you have not still understood why there was such a hue and cry about yourstatements-You have undermined the sentiments of Hindus on this Forum, by misinterpreting the Ramayan. Even if your interpretation is right, which it is not , I don't think it is necessary to talk about i, in view of the hurt it causes to others. I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Sun could not be in Aries when Moon is being in Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5 planets were occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli. The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now and there are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others. You are right that it is the second point which is new. My question is if a planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and not some other planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression. Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very difficult to pinpoint the actual positions. Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries or Scorpio. (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, I could rule out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two places? That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after hearing more from you, with best regards,kishore patnaik9849270729 On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Patnaik ji, There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the word 'Swacha'. ==> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain <== Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e. Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and exaltation). But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other choices - * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra) Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign or exaltation' to complete the count of five. But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more confusion than clarity. Love, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am > giving below the slokas connected with > the birth : > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > 3. The lagna is Cancer > 4. Moon is in lagna > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be > with Moon on a Navami day. > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places > can be fixed only by discussion > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from > all of you. > > with best regards, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Kishore, The exaltation could be of any planet - the plant's own or of some other planet - this is a simple fact. But usually when we say a planet is in exaltation - we 'assume' that it is in its own exaltation. There is another big mistake in your mail - you stated - ==> > on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more > than 108 degrees. <== It is utterly wrong. If the distance between Sun and Moon is more than 108 degree it is Dasami Tithi and NOT navami. For Navami to happen the distance between Sun and Moon should be between 96 degrees and 108 degrees. To clarify - 12 x 8 = 96 degrees (Ashtami ends) 12 x 9 = 108 degrees (Navami ends) 12 x 10 = 120 degrees (Dasami ends) So clearly if the distance is more than 108 degree it is Dasami and NOT Navami. Pelase study the chart again and suggest other possibilities. Regards, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear sreenadh, > > > > I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Sun could not > be in Aries when Moon is being in > Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5 planets were > occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli. > > The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now and there > are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the > extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others. > > You are right that it is the second point which is new. My question is if a > planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and not some other > planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression. > > Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very > difficult to pinpoint the actual positions. > > Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries or Scorpio. > (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, I could rule > out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two > places? > > That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after > hearing more from you, > > with best regards, > kishore patnaik > 9849270729 > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Patnaik ji, > > There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else > > discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans > > were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the > > word 'Swacha'. > > ==> > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > <== > > Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e. > > Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation > > itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in > > many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and > > exaltation). > > But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the > > planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a > > good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide > > some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. > > But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be > > solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider > > Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra > > or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki > > never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. > > Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we > > got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu > > Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign > > or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too > > can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other choices - > > * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio > > * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra > > * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra) > > Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign > > or exaltation' to complete the count of five. > > But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the > > basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more > > confusion than clarity. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " kishore patnaik " > > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am > > > giving below the slokas connected with > > > the birth : > > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; > > R^ituuNaam > > > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe > > > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > > > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > > > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > > > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe > > > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when > > Speech's, Lord > > > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � > > > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen > > Kausalya; > > > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, > > > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; > > > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa > > bhaagam= > > > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; > > > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta > > oSTam= > > > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; > > putram= > > > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > > > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer > > > 4. Moon is in lagna > > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. > > Is it > > > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could > > not be > > > with Moon on a Navami day. > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > uccha(exalted) > > > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which > > are in > > > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. > > While the > > > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets > > places > > > can be fixed only by discussion > > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a > > navami > > > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. > > > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of > > > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > > > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after > > hearing from > > > all of you. > > > > > > with best regards, > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > 98492 70729 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji Again i am approaching you for a clarification. first of all pls do not jump on me for lack of knoledge. this related to exaltation of planets. for example Jup is exalted at 5.00 dgr Karkitakam. Ok my question is the entire 30 degrees of karkitakam rasi is treated as exalted for Jupiter and thus accrue it is benefic results or only that placement at 5.00 degree alone will give that if it is looking silly to you dont fire me in public forum answer me personally. cheers venkat Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore,The exaltation could be of any planet - the plant's own or of someother planet - this is a simple fact. But usually when we say a planetis in exaltation - we 'assume' that it is in its own exaltation.There is another big mistake in your mail - you stated - ==>> on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more > than 108 degrees.<==It is utterly wrong. If the distance between Sun and Moon is morethan 108 degree it is Dasami Tithi and NOT navami. For Navami tohappen the distance between Sun and Moon should be between 96 degreesand 108 degrees. To clarify -12 x 8 = 96 degrees (Ashtami ends)12 x 9 = 108 degrees (Navami ends)12 x 10 = 120 degrees (Dasami ends)So clearly if the distance is more than 108 degree it is Dasami andNOT Navami. Pelase study the chart again and suggest other possibilities. Regards,Sreenadh , "kishore patnaik"<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear sreenadh,> > > > I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Suncould not> be in Aries when Moon is being in> Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5planets were> occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli.> > The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now andthere> are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the> extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others.> > You are right that it is the second point which is new. My questionis if a> planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and notsome other> planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression.> > Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very> difficult to pinpoint the actual positions.> > Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries orScorpio.> (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, Icould rule> out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two> places?> > That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after> hearing more from you,> > with best regards,> kishore patnaik> 9849270729> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Patnaik ji,> > There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else> > discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans> > were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the> > word 'Swacha'.> > ==>> >> > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or> > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five> > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain> > <==> > Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e.> > Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation> > itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in> > many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and> > exaltation).> > But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that "the> > planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation" is a> > good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide> > some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. > > But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be> > solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider> > Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra> > or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki> > never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. > > Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we> > got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu> > Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign> > or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too> > can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the otherchoices -> > * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio> > * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra> > * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra)> > Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign> > or exaltation' to complete the count of five.> > But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the> > basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more> > confusion than clarity. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- In <%40>,> > "kishore patnaik"> >> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.I am> > > giving below the slokas connected with> > > the birth :> > >> > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |> > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8> > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |> > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9> > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |> > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10> > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |> > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11> > >> > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;> > R^ituuNaam> > > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;dvaadashe> > > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month> > > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day> > > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha> > > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;karkaTe> > > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when> > Speech's, Lord> > > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= whenraising �> > > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen> > Kausalya;> > > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam=by all,> > > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes,along with;> > > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa> > bhaagam=> > > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,delight of;> > > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta> > oSTam=> > > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;> > putram=> > > the son; ajanayat= gave birth.> > >> > >> > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:> > >> > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami> > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra> > > 3. The lagna is Cancer> > > 4. Moon is in lagna> > >> > > The following two points are to be discussed.> > >> > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati.> > Is it> > > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could> > not be> > > with Moon on a Navami day.> > >> > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or> > uccha(exalted)> > > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which> > are in> > > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain> > >> > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.> > While the> > > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets> > places> > > can be fixed only by discussion> > >> > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a> > navami> > > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108degrees.> > > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, theplace of> > > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.> > >> > >> > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after> > hearing from> > > all of you.> > >> > > with best regards,> > >> > > kishore patnaik> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 On Nov 4, 2007 2:54 PM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am giving below the slokas connected with the birth :tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= the son; ajanayat= gave birth.if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra3. The lagna is Cancer4. Moon is in lagna The following two points are to be discussed. 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be with Moon on a Navami day. 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places can be fixed only by discussion 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from all of you.with best regards, kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Venkat, The question is NOT silly but amply important - and only very few understand the importance of the question you asked. Let us repeat the question. ==> > this related to exaltation of planets. for example Jup is exalted at 5.00 dgr Karkitakam. Ok my question is the entire 30 degrees of karkitakam rasi is treated as exalted for Jupiter and thus accrue it is benefic results or only that placement at 5.00 degree alone will give that <== For any planet with exaltation in some house - " The whole sign should be considered as exaltation (Uccha); and specific degree provided by the sages refers to maximum exaltation (Paramochha) " Most of the astrologers confuse these two and treat the degree of maximum exaltation (Paramoccha) as exaltation(Uccha)! As an example for clarity, Whether Sun be any degree in Aries - it is in exaltation. But if Sun is in 10th degree (i.e. 9.00 to 10.00 degree) then Sun is in its degree of maximum exaltation (Pramoccha). That means you have striked the bull's eye and it is this kind of sincere search and understanding is what is required in true and sincere study. All the best in your efforts. Now coming to your other concerns - ==> > Again i am approaching you for a clarification. first of all pls do not jump on me for lack of knoledge. <== I wonder why you fear when you are sincere!! Sincerity and fear does not go hand in hand - if you have one you will lose the other. Make your choice. ==> > if it is looking silly to you dont fire me in public forum answer me personally. <== First of all, small things are important - if we don't know how to add, subtract, multiply, divide - how we are supposed to learn arithmetic. If some one does not have the small bit of info, division by zero can cause an error, any body can prove and confuse him (even if he considers himself as a scholar of mathematics) by stating and providing a simple calculation that shows 1=2!! So don't silly What you refer to as silly is amply important to your understanding your know well - and that is why your question. Therefore don't wrongly refer to important questions as silly. Second, this is NOT a public forum - but a private forum (means google search will not show any content from the posts in this forum - it is accessible only for its members) So we are all one family. Ofcourse I will fire you personally (as a friend) if required - but I don't think it is necessary as of now Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji > Again i am approaching you for a clarification. first of all pls do not jump on me for lack of knoledge. > > this related to exaltation of planets. for example Jup is exalted at 5.00 dgr Karkitakam. Ok my question is the entire 30 degrees of karkitakam rasi is treated as exalted for Jupiter and thus accrue it is benefic results or only that placement at 5.00 degree alone will give that > > if it is looking silly to you dont fire me in public forum answer me personally. > > cheers > venkat > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Kishore, > The exaltation could be of any planet - the plant's own or of some > other planet - this is a simple fact. But usually when we say a planet > is in exaltation - we 'assume' that it is in its own exaltation. > There is another big mistake in your mail - you stated - > ==> > > on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more > > than 108 degrees. > <== > It is utterly wrong. If the distance between Sun and Moon is more > than 108 degree it is Dasami Tithi and NOT navami. For Navami to > happen the distance between Sun and Moon should be between 96 degrees > and 108 degrees. To clarify - > 12 x 8 = 96 degrees (Ashtami ends) > 12 x 9 = 108 degrees (Navami ends) > 12 x 10 = 120 degrees (Dasami ends) > So clearly if the distance is more than 108 degree it is Dasami and > NOT Navami. > Pelase study the chart again and suggest other possibilities. > Regards, > Sreenadh > > , " kishore patnaik " > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > Dear sreenadh, > > > > > > > > I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Sun > could not > > be in Aries when Moon is being in > > Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5 > planets were > > occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli. > > > > The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now and > there > > are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the > > extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others. > > > > You are right that it is the second point which is new. My question > is if a > > planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and not > some other > > planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression. > > > > Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very > > difficult to pinpoint the actual positions. > > > > Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries or > Scorpio. > > (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, I > could rule > > out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two > > places? > > > > That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after > > hearing more from you, > > > > with best regards, > > kishore patnaik > > 9849270729 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Patnaik ji, > > > There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else > > > discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans > > > were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the > > > word 'Swacha'. > > > ==> > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > > <== > > > Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e. > > > Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation > > > itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in > > > many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and > > > exaltation). > > > But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the > > > planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a > > > good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide > > > some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. > > > But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be > > > solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider > > > Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra > > > or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki > > > never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. > > > Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we > > > got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu > > > Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign > > > or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too > > > can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other > choices - > > > * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio > > > * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra > > > * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra) > > > Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign > > > or exaltation' to complete the count of five. > > > But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the > > > basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more > > > confusion than clarity. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In > <% 40>, > > > " kishore patnaik " > > > > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. > I am > > > > giving below the slokas connected with > > > > the birth : > > > > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1- 18-11 > > > > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; > > > R^ituuNaam > > > > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; > dvaadashe > > > > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > > > > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > > > > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > > > > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; > karkaTe > > > > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when > > > Speech's, Lord > > > > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when > raising � > > > > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen > > > Kausalya; > > > > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= > by all, > > > > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, > along with; > > > > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa > > > bhaagam= > > > > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, > delight of; > > > > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta > > > oSTam= > > > > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; > > > putram= > > > > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > > > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna > > > > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > > > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. > > > Is it > > > > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could > > > not be > > > > with Moon on a Navami day. > > > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > > uccha(exalted) > > > > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which > > > are in > > > > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > > > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. > > > While the > > > > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets > > > places > > > > can be fixed only by discussion > > > > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a > > > navami > > > > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 > degrees. > > > > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the > place of > > > > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after > > > hearing from > > > > all of you. > > > > > > > > with best regards, > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > > 98492 70729 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear shreenadh, When I have newly come into the Astrology groups, I have really worked on a particular chart. Once I have I have prepared the reply, I was rather proud of it since the logic was really good and the presentation also came out to be very nice. Once I have posted it, I have immediately got the reply from the native: " sir, you cast my chart wrong! " There was some error in taking the birth details and all my effort went waste. I think the God does these things to remind us that we are only humans. I have consulted my preparation sheets and there is no mistake in what I have done. I have checked twice or even thrice and there is no mistake again- except that I have written 12X8=108!!!!!!!!! please note I am a post graduate in mathematics. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 On 11/4/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore,The exaltation could be of any planet - the plant's own or of someother planet - this is a simple fact. But usually when we say a planetis in exaltation - we 'assume' that it is in its own exaltation. There is another big mistake in your mail - you stated - ==>> on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more > than 108 degrees.<==It is utterly wrong. If the distance between Sun and Moon is more than 108 degree it is Dasami Tithi and NOT navami. For Navami tohappen the distance between Sun and Moon should be between 96 degreesand 108 degrees. To clarify -12 x 8 = 96 degrees (Ashtami ends)12 x 9 = 108 degrees (Navami ends) 12 x 10 = 120 degrees (Dasami ends)So clearly if the distance is more than 108 degree it is Dasami andNOT Navami. Pelase study the chart again and suggest other possibilities. Regards, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear sreenadh, > > > > I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Suncould not> be in Aries when Moon is being in> Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5 planets were> occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli.> > The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now andthere> are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the > extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others.> > You are right that it is the second point which is new. My questionis if a> planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and not some other> planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression.> > Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very> difficult to pinpoint the actual positions. > > Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries orScorpio.> (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, Icould rule> out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two > places?> > That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after> hearing more from you,> > with best regards,> kishore patnaik> 9849270729> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Patnaik ji,> > There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else > > discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans> > were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the> > word 'Swacha'.> > ==> > >> > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or> > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five> > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > <==> > Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa-Uccha',i.e.> > Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation> > itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in > > many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and> > exaltation).> > But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the> > planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a > > good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide> > some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. > > But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be > > solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider> > Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra> > or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki > > never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. > > Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we> > got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu > > Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign> > or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too> > can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other choices -> > * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio> > * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra> > * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra)> > Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign > > or exaltation' to complete the count of five.> > But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the> > basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more > > confusion than clarity. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- In <%40>, > > " kishore patnaik " > >> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am> > > giving below the slokas connected with> > > the birth :> > >> > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |> > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |> > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9> > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10> > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |> > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > >> > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;> > R^ituuNaam> > > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;dvaadashe > > > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month> > > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day> > > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > > > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;karkaTe> > > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when> > Speech's, Lord> > > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �> > > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen> > Kausalya;> > > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam=by all,> > > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with;> > > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa> > bhaagam=> > > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,delight of; > > > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta> > oSTam=> > > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;> > putram=> > > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > >> > >> > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:> > >> > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami> > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer> > > 4. Moon is in lagna> > >> > > The following two points are to be discussed.> > >> > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. > > Is it> > > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could> > not be> > > with Moon on a Navami day.> > >> > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > uccha(exalted)> > > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which> > are in> > > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. > > While the> > > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets> > places> > > can be fixed only by discussion> > >> > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a > > navami> > > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108degrees.> > > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, theplace of> > > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > >> > >> > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after> > hearing from> > > all of you.> > >> > > with best regards, > > >> > > kishore patnaik> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear Kishore ji, ==> I have consulted my preparation sheets and there is no mistake in what I have done. I have checked twice or even thrice and there is no mistake again- except that I have written 12X8=108!!!!!!!!! please note I am a post graduate in mathematics. <== Oh!!! 12 x 8 = 108?!!! I thought it is 96. And all the calculators say the same. Yap, error is just humane. Let us start again from where we were. Yap, It happens - we are all just simple human being who may commit mistakes as well as correct mistakes. Love, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear shreenadh, > > When I have newly come into the Astrology groups, I have really > worked on a particular chart. Once I have I have prepared the reply, I was > rather proud of it since the logic was really good and the presentation also > came out to be very nice. Once I have posted it, I have immediately got the > reply from the native: " sir, you cast my chart wrong! " > > There was some error in taking the birth details and all my effort went > waste. I think the God does these things > to remind us that we are only humans. > > I have consulted my preparation sheets and there is no mistake in what I > have done. I have checked twice or even thrice and there is no mistake > again- except that I have written 12X8=108!!!!!!!!! > > please note I am a post graduate in mathematics. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > > On 11/4/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > The exaltation could be of any planet - the plant's own or of some > > other planet - this is a simple fact. But usually when we say a planet > > is in exaltation - we 'assume' that it is in its own exaltation. > > There is another big mistake in your mail - you stated - > > ==> > > > on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more > > > than 108 degrees. > > <== > > It is utterly wrong. If the distance between Sun and Moon is more > > than 108 degree it is Dasami Tithi and NOT navami. For Navami to > > happen the distance between Sun and Moon should be between 96 degrees > > and 108 degrees. To clarify - > > 12 x 8 = 96 degrees (Ashtami ends) > > 12 x 9 = 108 degrees (Navami ends) > > 12 x 10 = 120 degrees (Dasami ends) > > So clearly if the distance is more than 108 degree it is Dasami and > > NOT Navami. > > Pelase study the chart again and suggest other possibilities. > > Regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " kishore patnaik " > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I have discussed only two points in my post- one, that Sun > > could not > > > be in Aries when Moon is being in > > > Punarvasu and the other is that about popular conception that 5 > > planets were > > > occupying the exaltation in the Lord's Kundli. > > > > > > The first point had been discussed by hundreds of people by now and > > there > > > are several articles on the same, for and against and people went to the > > > > > extent of questioning the wisdom of Satyacharya and others. > > > > > > You are right that it is the second point which is new. My question > > is if a > > > planet occupies an exaltation, it is necessarily its own and not > > some other > > > planet's. Hence, Swacha to denote exaltation is not a right expression. > > > > > > Now, coming to the various combinations, you are right that it is very > > > difficult to pinpoint the actual positions. > > > > > > Personally, I could not decide whether Mars should be in Aries or > > Scorpio. > > > (For valid reasons, he could not be in exaltation) Similarly, I > > could rule > > > out Saturn from being in Capricorn but where to place him in other two > > > places? > > > > > > That is why I have decided to post my further clarifications only after > > > hearing more from you, > > > > > > with best regards, > > > kishore patnaik > > > 9849270729 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 3:22 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Patnaik ji, > > > > There is only one new statement in your mail - everything else > > > > discussed in detail in the pdf I posted, about with many hooligans > > > > were making so much noise. The new point in your post is regarding the > > > > word 'Swacha'. > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > > > <== > > > > Normally the word 'swacha' should be treated as 'Swa- Uccha',i.e. > > > > Own-exaltation, i.e. the planet is placed in its own exaltation > > > > itself. Exaltation is the meaning of the word 'Swatcha' as used in > > > > many of astrological texts and NOT 'swa and uccha' (own house and > > > > exaltation). > > > > But of course breaking the two word, and concluding that " the > > > > planets referred are either in its own sign or in exaltation " is a > > > > good choice since Moon is in its own sign, and the same can provide > > > > some solution to the famous 5 planet problem in Rama's horoscope. > > > > But note that even if Sun is in Pisces, this problem could be > > > > solved, by placing all the planets in exaltation itself if we consider > > > > Rahu/Ketu. Of course Ma, Sa, Ju, Ve could be in exaltation and if Ra > > > > or Ke is in exaltation - that completes the list of 5 grahas; Valmiki > > > > never mentioned that we shouldn't consider Rahu or Ketu. > > > > Now if we select your solution, then - Mo and Ju is in Cancer; so we > > > > got 2 planets 'either in own sign or exaltation'. Being Punarvasu > > > > Nakshatra and Navami Tithi, Sun is in Pisces and cannot be in own sign > > > > or exaltation. Since Me deos not go beyond 2 signs from Sun, it too > > > > can not be in exaltation or own sign. Thus coming to the other > > choices - > > > > * Ma could be in Capricorn, Aries, or Scorpio > > > > * Sa could be in Capricorn, Aquarius or Libra > > > > * Ve could be in Taurus or Pisces (but not in Libra) > > > > Thus we will get 3 more planets to our collection 'either in own sign > > > > or exaltation' to complete the count of five. > > > > But how are you going to select among these choices, without even the > > > > basic understanding about the epoch? Thus the end result is more > > > > confusion than clarity. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > --- In > > <% 40><%40>, > > > > > > " kishore patnaik " > > > > > > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. > > I am > > > > > giving below the slokas connected with > > > > > the birth : > > > > > > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > > > > > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; > > > > R^ituuNaam > > > > > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; > > dvaadashe > > > > > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > > > > > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > > > > > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > > > > > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; > > karkaTe > > > > > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when > > > > Speech's, Lord > > > > > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when > > raising � > > > > > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen > > > > Kausalya; > > > > > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= > > by all, > > > > > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, > > along with; > > > > > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa > > > > bhaagam= > > > > > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, > > delight of; > > > > > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta > > > > oSTam= > > > > > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; > > > > putram= > > > > > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > > > > > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna > > > > > > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > > > > > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. > > > > Is it > > > > > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could > > > > not be > > > > > with Moon on a Navami day. > > > > > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > > > > uccha(exalted) > > > > > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which > > > > are in > > > > > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > > > > > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. > > > > While the > > > > > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets > > > > places > > > > > can be fixed only by discussion > > > > > > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a > > > > > > navami > > > > > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 > > degrees. > > > > > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the > > place of > > > > > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after > > > > hearing from > > > > > all of you. > > > > > > > > > > with best regards, > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > > > 98492 70729 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Dear all, It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlier births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather than wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holy Diwali. Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. For eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi for the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I have raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for an answer in that angle too,. Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made so much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers have shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, a watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan has shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with some victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulent life that Rama has suffered. I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. As Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very end of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the last pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take the lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries, Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagna also vargottama. Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Dear Kishore ji, ==> Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made so much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers have shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, a watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan has shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with some victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulent life that Rama has suffered. <== I disagree. Valmiki Ramayana clearly indicates that in Rama's chart Sun is in Pisces, and it clearly states that when Lakshmana and Satrukhna were born Sun was in Cancer. Thus the Natal chart (calling it D1 is wrong - because D1 means Sign and NOT natal chart) of them are NOT same, as you refer to. Further the Lagna also differs. For Rama the Lagna is Cancer, for Bharata it is Pisces, and for Lekshmana and Satrukhna we don't know clearly what it was. If statements available in, currently available Valmiki Ramayana is true - then Lakshmana and Satrukhana were born 4+ months after the birth of Rama and so the planetary positions of their chart should also differ. If you are of the opinion that the statement " When the children of Sumitra (Lakshmana and Satrukhna) were born Sun was in Cancer " present in current Valmiki Ramaya is wrong - then it is a different thing. Is that your argument? So in essence the natal chart itself of Rama and brothers differ, and naturally different results follow. > I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. You can think anything - but for sure valimiki was unaware of 'Divisional charts' even though a possibility for 'Divisions' (which alone is supported by ancient astrological classics) exist. But then too certainly there is not even a single statement in Ramayana that shows that he (the author of that book) was even aware of divisions. ==> > As Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at > the very end of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun > being in the last pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun > also vargottama. > Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take > the lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas > of Aries, Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - > not withstanding the 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a > possibility. In such an event, the lagna also falls in the first > pada of Cancer, which will make lagna also vargottama. <== First of all Visti is not part of this group and didn't say anything here (are you posting the same message in multiple groups?! - ok. you might be referring to someone in some other group). Now coming to the arguments about Abhijit etc. * For Navami to happen the distance between Sun and Moon should be more than 96 degrees. That means even if Moon is at the end of Punarvasu Nakshatra (i.e. 93 degree 20 min), the Sun should be beyond 2 degree 40 min from end point of Pisces. That means Sun cannot have a longitude more than 27 degree 20 min in Pises. [i.e. Sun will take 10 min at least to cover Pisces]. Now Moon being in Rasi Sandhi, Nakshatra Sandhi and Tithi sandhi, (all showing bad results) I don't think we should expect that in the chart of an avatar. What ever that be note the points - Sun needs at least 10+ min to cover Pisces. - The Sun's longitude cannot be more than 27 degree 20 min. * As you rightly pointed out Sun needs 6 hours approx to cover Aries, Tarus & Gemini. And thus there is a possibility that the birth took place at Noon - possibly in Abhijit Muhurta - Provided the day was a near equinox day (i.e. when day and night are almost equal). Now comes the interesting part - the birth was in Uttarayana - so were do you think the equinox and solstice would be? Before the 27 degree position of Sun - right - what era could it be - and where was he equinox and solstice then - as Kaul ji rightly puts it. So the point to be noted is that - essentially the Abhijit Muhurta argument brings in to focus the position of Solstice in to consideration. What are your opinions on the same? Can it be BC 50000+ and still your Abhijit argument true? What do you think? * Another important question is - if Ra or Ke is in exaltation - which of them is in exaltation. I mean is it that when Ra is exalted then Ke also exalted, increasing the count of exaltation planets to SIX? Is it that Valmiki missed it? If not what is the solution to this 6 planet problem? If you go by the argument both Own house (Swa) and Exaltation (Uccha) are considered, then what is your arguments FORM VALMIKI RAMAYANA in support of placing Ma, Ve, Sa in some particular signs? Yes, I could see that even though you presented such an argument - but never followed it, by providing the supplementary evidence. What do you think about this? There are other doubts too - but I think this is enough for the current mail. Love, Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlier > births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather than > wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holy > Diwali. > > Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. For > eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi for > the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I have > raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for an > answer in that angle too,. > > Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made so > much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers have > shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, a > watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan has > shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with some > victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulent > life that Rama has suffered. > > I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. > > It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. As > Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very end > of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the last > pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. > > Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take the > lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries, > Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the > 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event > , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagna > also vargottama. > > Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 On 11/8/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlier births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather than wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holy Diwali. Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. For eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi for the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I have raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for an answer in that angle too,. Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made so much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers have shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, a watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan has shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with some victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulent life that Rama has suffered. I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. As Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very end of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the last pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take the lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries, Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagna also vargottama. Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dear all, Kindly contact on my private mail if any one is working in TTD, Thirumala. regards, Kishore patnaik 9849270729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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