Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to use bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as rasi...would tht be right? rgds Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > levels than their couterparts > who do not use or study this chart. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you mentioned,, > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > in > > the person's life. > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of mars > > mercury and moon. > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the 4th > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo) > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury is > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > nakshatra > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib) placed > in > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) Mars > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to give > > good results. > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > house.. > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in Dhanista > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > explained above) > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL and > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > and > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with mars, > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > moon > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > wrote: > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group. > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > for > > me. > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > which > > after > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > 11:20pm > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > helpful. > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > effects of > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > Can > > various > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old. > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running. > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > with > > 3rd > > > Dhristi. > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > degree. > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does this > > breaks the > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc. > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > 5th > > house > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > subh. > > What do > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation sign. > > What is > > > the effect? > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > what > > is the > > > effect? > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this give. > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby and > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > stays in the > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them. > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > reply > > from > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > again. > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > Rajeev > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Su, Bhava Chalit in J.Hora On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit inJ.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and never actually had enough time to explore the wholesite, just looked at my own requirement and left the rest. Books on Bhava Chalit There are no particular books onBhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chartand Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthypadhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . A small example of the difference of results between Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury isin the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But ifin Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,onthe contrary the Native will always have outflow of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the nativewould be told by astrologers that he will have superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,because these astrologers do not go deep instudying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?Its vanished, and the native need notfeel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in theascendant and is been told by his family astrologer that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this caseknown as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet wouldbe in the air all his Life and would be waiting forthe Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,which would never happen, if the Mercury has shiftedto the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example inthe above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercuryin his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologerthat he will never rise above the ordinary, now neednot feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shiftedto the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. Now when you have read the above examples and readthe essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need nothave to search or buy any books, just applythese princoiples to every chart you encounter, and check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,and as actually happenning in the natives Life. rgrds,Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , "illusive_2" <reality_v wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to use > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as > rasi...would tht be right?> rgds Su> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart,> > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > levels than their couterparts> > who do not use or study this chart.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar> > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" <sheevani147@> > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > mentioned,,> > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > > in > > > the person's life. > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > mars > > > mercury and moon.> > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the > 4th > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo)> > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury > is > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > nakshatra > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib)> placed > > in > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > Mars > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > give > > > good results.> > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > > house..> > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > Dhanista > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > > explained above)> > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > and > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > > and > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > mars, > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > > moon > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon..> > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group.> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > > for > > > me.> > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > > which > > > after> > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > 11:20pm> > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place.> > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > > helpful.> > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > > effects of> > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > > Can > > > various> > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old.> > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running.> > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > > with > > > 3rd> > > > Dhristi.> > > > What is the effect.> > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog?> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > > degree.> > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > this > > > breaks the> > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc.> > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > > 5th > > > house> > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > > subh. > > > What do> > > > you say for this case.> > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > sign. > > > What is> > > > the effect?> > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > > what > > > is the> > > > effect?> > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > give.> > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > and > > > Moonga?> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > > stays in the> > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them.> > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > > reply > > > from> > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > again.> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > Rajeev> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Bhasker JI, Thanks for this useful information, please WRITE in detail about bhave chalit IF POSSIBLE. Thanks with Regards --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: bhava chalit Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 7:57 PM Dear Su, Bhava Chalit in J.Hora On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit inJ.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and never actually had enough time to explore the wholesite, just looked at my own requirement and left the rest. Books on Bhava Chalit There are no particular books onBhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chartand Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthypadhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . A small example of the difference of results between Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury isin the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But ifin Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,onthe contrary the Native will always have outflow of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the nativewould be told by astrologers that he will have superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,because these astrologers do not go deep instudying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?Its vanished, and the native need notfeel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in theascendant and is been told by his family astrologer that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this caseknown as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet wouldbe in the air all his Life and would be waiting forthe Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,which would never happen, if the Mercury has shiftedto the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example inthe above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercuryin his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologerthat he will never rise above the ordinary, now neednot feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shiftedto the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. Now when you have read the above examples and readthe essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need nothave to search or buy any books, just applythese princoiples to every chart you encounter, and check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,and as actually happenning in the natives Life. rgrds,Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com , "illusive_2" <reality_v@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/ etc on how to use > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as > rasi...would tht be right?> rgds Su> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart,> > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > levels than their couterparts> > who do not use or study this chart.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar> > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com> > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" <sheevani147@> > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > mentioned,,> > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > > in > > > the person's life. > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > mars > > > mercury and moon.> > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the > 4th > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo)> > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury > is > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > nakshatra > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib)> placed > > in > > > an enemy sign(venus). . Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > Mars > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > give > > > good results.> > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > > house..> > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > Dhanista > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > > explained above)> > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > and > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > > and > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > mars, > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > > moon > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon..> > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group.> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > > for > > > me.> > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > > which > > > after> > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > 11:20pm> > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place.> > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > > helpful.> > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > > effects of> > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > > Can > > > various> > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old.> > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running.> > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > > with > > > 3rd> > > > Dhristi.> > > > What is the effect.> > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog?> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > > degree.> > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > this > > > breaks the> > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc.> > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > > 5th > > > house> > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > > subh. > > > What do> > > > you say for this case.> > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > sign. > > > What is> > > > the effect?> > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > > what > > > is the> > > > effect?> > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > give.> > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > and > > > Moonga?> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > > stays in the> > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them.> > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > > reply > > > from> > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > again.> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > Rajeev> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - it was far more than what I expected!! //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > J.Hora ?// If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu appears. just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the item 'bhava chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. thank you again, Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Su, > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > the rest. > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > There are no particular books on > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > A small example of the difference of results between > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > would be told by astrologers that he will have > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > because these astrologers do not go deep in > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > Its vanished, and the native need not > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > have to search or buy any books, just apply > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > rgrds, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to use > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as > > rasi...would tht be right? > > rgds Su > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > levels than their couterparts > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > > > in > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > > mars > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the > > 4th > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury > > is > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > nakshatra > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib) > > placed > > > in > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > > Mars > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > > give > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > Dhanista > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > > and > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > > > and > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > > mars, > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > > > moon > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > > > for > > > > me. > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > > > which > > > > after > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > > > helpful. > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > > > effects of > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > > > Can > > > > various > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old. > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > > > with > > > > 3rd > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > > > degree. > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > > this > > > > breaks the > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc. > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > > > 5th > > > > house > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > > > subh. > > > > What do > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > > sign. > > > > What is > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > > > what > > > > is the > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > > and > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > > > stays in the > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them. > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > > > reply > > > > from > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Su, Wonderful. ( Sharing always makes one more learned and I have learnt this, new from You) I never knew that this option existed,or never gave much mind to these options whenever watching the drop down menu. You have saved me lot of time, in future, whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any time when my regular Licensed software is not working, or away from my place. Okay now you need to do more. After clicking on Basics on Top. next clicking on Houses below,the List of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course you know.Now anywhere on this page a right click would again give you a Drop down menu. Here you choose these 2 options as under. 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is the start of the First House. After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart and let me know whether it remains same, as the Natal Chart, or some planets change Houses. best wishes, Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " illusive_2 " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - it > was far more than what I expected!! > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > J.Hora ?// > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu appears. > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the item 'bhava > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > thank you again, Su > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > the rest. > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > There are no particular books on > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > rgrds, > > Bhaskar. > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to use > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same > as > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > rgds Su > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > <sheevani147@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on > events > > > > in > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > > > mars > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in > the > > > 4th > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it > is in > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, > Mercury > > > is > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > > nakshatra > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib) > > > placed > > > > in > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > > > Mars > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > therefore > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > > > give > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a > moksha > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > > Dhanista > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken > as > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > > > and > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and > 12HL > > > > and > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > > > mars, > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor > of > > > > moon > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > confusing > > > > for > > > > > me. > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant > cancer > > > > which > > > > > after > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would > be > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be > more > > > > > effects of > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant > effect? > > > > Can > > > > > various > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old. > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and > Saturn > > > > with > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at > 2 > > > > > degree. > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > > > this > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc. > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > usually > > > > subh. > > > > > What do > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > > > sign. > > > > > What is > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation > sign, > > > > what > > > > > is the > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > > > and > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods > presence > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them. > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get > some > > > > reply > > > > > from > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji I tried what you had asked to do (Not sure if you wanted only Su to do it but did it anyhow out of curiosity) No it does not remain the same,some plannets change houses,in my case sun and mercury moved from 8H sagi to 7H scor,rahu moved from 12H Aries to 11th house pi to join saturn in 11th house,ketu moved backward from 6H to 5H to join moon.What does it mean and what exactly the bhavchalit chart says about a person. Regards Pankaj. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:59:30 PM Re: bhava chalit Dear Su,Wonderful. ( Sharing always makes one more learned and I have learnt this, new from You)I never knew that this option existed,or never gave much mind to these optionswhenever watching the drop down menu. You havesaved me lot of time, in future,whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any time when my regular Licensed software is not working, or away from my place.Okay now you need to do more.After clicking on Basics on Top.next clicking on Houses below,the Listof 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course you know.Now anywhere on this page a rightclick would again give you a Drop down menu. Here you choose these 2 options as under.1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy )2) Ascendant or the chosen reference isthe start of the First House.After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart and let me know whether it remains same,as the Natal Chart, or some planets change Houses.best wishes,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com, "illusive_2" <reality_v@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - it > was far more than what I expected!!> > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in> > J.Hora ?//> > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu appears. > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the item 'bhava > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu.> > thank you again, Su > > --- In , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote:> >> > > > Dear Su,> > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora> > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in> > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and> > never actually had enough time to explore the whole> > site, just looked at my own requirement and left> > the rest.> > > > Books on Bhava Chalit> > > > There are no particular books on> > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart> > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this> > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy> > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage.> > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit .> > > > A small example of the difference of results between> > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this -> > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is> > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a> > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if> > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house,> > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native> > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on> > the contrary the Native will always have outflow> > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native> > would be told by astrologers that he will have> > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,> > because these astrologers do not go deep in> > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ).> > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter> > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit> > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?> > Its vanished, and the native need not> > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga.> > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the> > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer> > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case> > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would> > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for> > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,> > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted> > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart.> > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in> > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury> > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer> > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need> > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted> > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart.> > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read> > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not> > have to search or buy any books, just apply> > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and> > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,> > and as actually happenning in the natives Life.> > > > rgrds,> > Bhaskar.> > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com <http://www.shrikris hnajyotish. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "illusive_2" <reality_v@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/ etc on how to use> > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same > as> > > rasi...would tht be right?> > > rgds Su> > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > >> > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart,> > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > > > levels than their couterparts> > > > who do not use or study this chart.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar> > > > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sheevani147" > <sheevani147@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste.> > > > >> > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you> > > mentioned,,> > > > >> > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on > events> > > > in> > > > > the person's life.> > > > >> > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of> > > mars> > > > > mercury and moon.> > > > >> > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in > the> > > 4th> > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it > is in> > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo)> > > > >> > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, > Mercury> > > is> > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in> > > > nakshatra> > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > >> > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib)> > > placed> > > > in> > > > > an enemy sign(venus). . Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect)> > > Mars> > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > therefore> > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to> > > give> > > > > good results.> > > > >> > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a > moksha> > > > > house..> > > > >> > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in> > > Dhanista> > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken > as> > > > > explained above)> > > > >> > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL> > > and> > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and > 12HL> > > > and> > > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > >> > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with> > > mars,> > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor > of> > > > moon> > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon..> > > > >> > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > >> > > > > warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the > group.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > confusing> > > > for> > > > > me.> > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant > cancer> > > > which> > > > > after> > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > >> > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > > > 11:20pm> > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place.> > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would > be> > > > > helpful.> > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be > more> > > > > effects of> > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > >> > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant > effect?> > > > Can> > > > > various> > > > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old.> > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was > running.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and > Saturn> > > > with> > > > > 3rd> > > > > > Dhristi.> > > > > > What is the effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at > 2> > > > > degree.> > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does> > > this> > > > > breaks the> > > > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > >> > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc.> > > > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > >> > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord > in> > > > 5th> > > > > house> > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > usually> > > > subh.> > > > > What do> > > > > > you say for this case.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation> > > sign.> > > > > What is> > > > > > the effect?> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation > sign,> > > > what> > > > > is the> > > > > > effect?> > > > > >> > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this> > > give.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby> > > and> > > > > Moonga?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods > presence> > > > > stays in the> > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them.> > > > > >> > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > >> > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get > some> > > > reply> > > > > from> > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask> > > > again.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > > > Rajeev> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 dear sri bhaskar, the updated Jhora software ie 7.2 has incorporated bhava chalit chart like varga charts. U can right clik the natal chart, the window shows u to choose bhava chalit or other varga charts. good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Pankajji, When I put up a lengthy explanation here, it would be obviously for all the members who are interested, and can learn, and its not just for Su alone. I am happy that you tried this on your chart. Rahu if moved to 11th from 12th, means moving to a benefic house from a evil house, so naturally rahu would turn benefic now in house wise results. Same for those planets which moved from the evil 8th house to the 7th. They would now no more give 8th house results, as normally people would think and be told by the majority of astrologers. Regarding Bhava Chalit, if you read my previous mail on this subject, a couple of times, it would be more beneficial for you, rather than me pushing everything at one go. Thus you may check what results now each planet would give you in your life, inlight of new revelation found by You ( Bhava Chalit ). You will be surprised to find that those many whom you expected to be malefic are actually benefic for you, and vice versa. And proof lies in eating the pudding. After study of this if you match the results in your actual Life, they would be very near. Only this much for today. I am busy whole day today. best wishes, Bhaskar. www,shrikrishnajyotish.com , Pankaj Rathod <prathod wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji > I tried what you had asked to do (Not sure if you wanted only Su to do it but did it anyhow out of curiosity) > No it does not remain the same,some plannets change houses,in my case sun and mercury moved from 8H sagi to 7H scor,rahu moved from 12H Aries to 11th house pi to join saturn in 11th house,ketu moved backward from 6H to 5H to join moon.What does it mean and what exactly the bhavchalit chart says about a person. > Regards > Pankaj. > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:59:30 PM > Re: bhava chalit > > > Dear Su, > > Wonderful. > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > and I have learnt this, new from You) > I never knew that this option > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > saved me lot of time, in future, > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > time when my regular Licensed software is not > working, or away from my place. > > Okay now you need to do more. > After clicking on Basics on Top. > next clicking on Houses below,the List > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > the start of the First House. > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > and let me know whether it remains same, > as the Natal Chart, > or some planets change Houses. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - > it > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > appears. > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the item 'bhava > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > the rest. > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > rgrds, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com <http://www.shrikris hnajyotish. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/ etc on how to > use > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the > same > > as > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > rgds Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > <sheevani147@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on > > events > > > > > in > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects > of > > > > mars > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in > > the > > > > 4th > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it > > is in > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, > > Mercury > > > > is > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib) > > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus). . Venus is in 2h from mars(marka > effect) > > > > Mars > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > > therefore > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable > to > > > > give > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a > > moksha > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much > weaken > > as > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is > 6HL > > > > and > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury > 3and > > 12HL > > > > > and > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, > with > > > > mars, > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > depositor > > of > > > > > moon > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > <rajeevmundra@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > > confusing > > > > > for > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant > > cancer > > > > > which > > > > > > after > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material > would > > be > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be > > more > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant > > effect? > > > > > Can > > > > > > various > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old. > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and > > Saturn > > > > > with > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house > at > > 2 > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. > Does > > > > this > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion > etc. > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many > lord > > in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > > usually > > > > > subh. > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > debiliation > > > > sign. > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation > > sign, > > > > > what > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does > this > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, > Ruby > > > > and > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods > > presence > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get > > some > > > > > reply > > > > > > from > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall > ask > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Shri Gopuji, It is so heartening to see you here. My strength lies in the company of you good people. Please continue to write here and enrich us with your knowledge and articles. I will download the 7.2 in few days time. I have two things less in Life. Time and money. best wishes, Bhaskar. , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear sri bhaskar,> the updated Jhora software ie 7.2 has incorporated> bhava chalit chart like varga charts. U can right clik> the natal chart, the window shows u to choose bhava> chalit or other varga charts.> > good wishes,> k.gopu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having learnt a new feature] Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes the planets have moved ! But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software to see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same as in Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one my fr made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not sure which is correct. rgds Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Su, > > Wonderful. > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > and I have learnt this, new from You) > I never knew that this option > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > saved me lot of time, in future, > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > time when my regular Licensed software is not > working, or away from my place. > > Okay now you need to do more. > After clicking on Basics on Top. > next clicking on Houses below,the List > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > the start of the First House. > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > and let me know whether it remains same, > as the Natal Chart, > or some planets change Houses. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - > it > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > appears. > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the item 'bhava > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > the rest. > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > rgrds, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to > use > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the > same > > as > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > rgds Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on > > events > > > > > in > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects > of > > > > mars > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in > > the > > > > 4th > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it > > is in > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, > > Mercury > > > > is > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib) > > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka > effect) > > > > Mars > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > > therefore > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable > to > > > > give > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a > > moksha > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much > weaken > > as > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is > 6HL > > > > and > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury > 3and > > 12HL > > > > > and > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, > with > > > > mars, > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > depositor > > of > > > > > moon > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > > confusing > > > > > for > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant > > cancer > > > > > which > > > > > > after > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material > would > > be > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be > > more > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant > > effect? > > > > > Can > > > > > > various > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old. > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and > > Saturn > > > > > with > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house > at > > 2 > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. > Does > > > > this > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion > etc. > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many > lord > > in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > > usually > > > > > subh. > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > debiliation > > > > sign. > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation > > sign, > > > > > what > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does > this > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, > Ruby > > > > and > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods > > presence > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get > > some > > > > > reply > > > > > > from > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall > ask > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Su, J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha what we select, and even after we select, the difference in the values of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use as new and some use the old one, though a very nominal inconsequential difference is there unless one wants to time the event to the minute, it does not matter). Then there is difference between the values of Lat. and longitude of the same place in 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the ascnedant which may cause difference in the Ascendant Sublord at times, though again minimal times. I normally have another way to check the Planets in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the same page, you will find the 9 planets placed in their various Bhavas, which is what I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look at them for the major part of my study. Suppose you visit me while I am studying a chart, and ask me suddenly what is the ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would have to think before replying you. ( When you reach this stage, this would happen with you too.) Okay now coming to the point of this mail. My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, and that includes yours too.If You can kindly give me your details I will post back the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the Lordships. Also remember that when you go for Placiddus system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times intercepted signs too, and thus you may have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. regards, Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " illusive_2 " <reality_v wrote: > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having learnt a > new feature] > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes the > planets have moved ! > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software to > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same as in > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one my fr > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not sure > which is correct. > > rgds Su > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Wonderful. > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > I never knew that this option > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > working, or away from my place. > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > the start of the First House. > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > as the Natal Chart, > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear examples - > > it > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > > appears. > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > item 'bhava > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how to > > use > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the > > same > > > as > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information > on > > > events > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and > effects > > of > > > > > mars > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is > in > > > the > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as > it > > > is in > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, > > > Mercury > > > > > is > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg > lib) > > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka > > effect) > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > > > therefore > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is > unable > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a > > > moksha > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much > > weaken > > > as > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter > is > > 6HL > > > > > and > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury > > 3and > > > 12HL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, > > with > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > > depositor > > > of > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > > > confusing > > > > > > for > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant > > > cancer > > > > > > which > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material > > would > > > be > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there > be > > > more > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant > > > effect? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years > old. > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and > > > Saturn > > > > > > with > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th > house > > at > > > 2 > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. > > Does > > > > > this > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion > > etc. > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many > > lord > > > in > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > > > usually > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > debiliation > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > exaltation > > > sign, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does > > this > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, > > Ruby > > > > > and > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods > > > presence > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I > get > > > some > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I > shall > > ask > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and reloaded again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded it ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is ruling in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in dhanstan i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ] However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in it] below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its says 'As,Ke'. why does As appear twice? [pasted fr Jh] House Cusp Middle End Planets in it 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " 1 Pi 23' 40.87 " 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " As 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " 3 Ar 50' 03.65 " 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " Mo, Ve 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " 4 Ta 03' 17.25 " 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " Su, Me 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " 2 Ge 03' 27.34 " 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 29 Ge 44' 40.33 " 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " Ma 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " 29 Cn 18' 07.46 " 14 Le 47' 25.98 " Ra, Ur, Pl 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98 " 1 Vi 23' 40.87 " 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 3 Li 50' 03.65 " 19 Li 40' 11.54 " Ne 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54 " 4 Sc 03' 17.25 " 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 2 Sg 03' 27.34 " 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 29 Sg 44' 40.33 " 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " Ju, Sa 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " 29 Cp 18' 07.46 " 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " As, Ke Natal Chart May 13, 1961 Time: 2:03:00 am Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia rgds Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Su, > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > what we select, and even after we select, > the difference in the values > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use > as new and some use the old one, though > a very nominal inconsequential difference > is there unless one wants to time the event > to the minute, it does not matter). > Then there is difference between the values of Lat. > and longitude of the same place in > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the > ascnedant which may cause difference in the > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again > minimal times. > > I normally have another way to check the Planets > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed > in their various Bhavas, which is what > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > at them for the major part of my study. > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would > have to think before replying you. > ( When you reach this stage, this would > happen with you too.) > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail. > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly > give me your details I will post back > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > Lordships. > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times > intercepted signs too, and thus you may > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having learnt > a > > new feature] > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes the > > planets have moved ! > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software to > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same as in > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one my fr > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not > sure > > which is correct. > > > > rgds Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > > I never knew that this option > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > working, or away from my place. > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > > the start of the First House. > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > examples - > > > it > > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > > > appears. > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > item 'bhava > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will be > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > <reality_v@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on how > to > > > use > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the > > > same > > > > as > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information > > on > > > > events > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and > > effects > > > of > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna > is > > in > > > > the > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious > as > > it > > > > is in > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > mother,, > > > > Mercury > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is > in > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg > > lib) > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars(marka > > > effect) > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is > > unable > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is > a > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon > in > > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much > > > weaken > > > > as > > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter > > is > > > 6HL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury > > > 3and > > > > 12HL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > house, > > > with > > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > > > depositor > > > > of > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to > the > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been > > > > confusing > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > ascendant > > > > cancer > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place. > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material > > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will > there > > be > > > > more > > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > dominant > > > > effect? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years > > old. > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha > was > > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi > and > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th > > house > > > at > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with > mars. > > > Does > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > abortion > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so > many > > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is > > > > usually > > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > debiliation > > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > exaltation > > > > sign, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction > does > > > this > > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > Pokhraj, > > > Ruby > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and > gods > > > > presence > > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking > after > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I > > get > > > > some > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I > > shall > > > ask > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 dear Mr su, I am surprised as to how ur getting juptier and saturn in saggitarrius. Ur lagna both in natal and bhava chart is aquarius, ur second and 12th lord jupiter is in capricorn in 12th house and debilitated along with saturn. ur running mars dasa upto 2009. mars is causing argala to th e 7th from lagna, so if ur in buisness it will be struggle. otherwise the mercury, venus and sun ,moon bhukthi will be favourable to u. if u apply vedic astro methods, ur 2nd lord and 11thlord jupiter is in 12th so whatever u earn it vanishes. ur 12th house has more SAV points than the 11th. however sri bhaskar will also provide u the analysis when he is free. good luck, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Gopu thanks for your mail. I get ju/sa in cp in rasi and in sag in bhava. I wasnt quite looking for analysis - was more trying to determine if the chalit lag was correct, since on my first cast Jh gave me cp as lag in chalit, then myteriously switched to aq. I am not in biz and have no interest in it. But yes with 2/11L in 12 in rasi whatever money comes it goes out almost immediately! Which is why I doubted if the aq lag in chalit was correct. In any case I hve no exp with chalit so I am not quite in a position to say which lag is correct. rgds Su , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr su, > I am surprised as to how ur getting juptier and saturn > in saggitarrius. Ur lagna both in natal and bhava > chart is aquarius, ur second and 12th lord jupiter is > in capricorn in 12th house and debilitated along with > saturn. ur running mars dasa upto 2009. mars is > causing argala to th e 7th from lagna, so if ur in > buisness it will be struggle. otherwise the mercury, > venus and sun ,moon bhukthi will be favourable to u. > if u apply vedic astro methods, ur 2nd lord and > 11thlord jupiter is in 12th so whatever u earn it > vanishes. ur 12th house has more SAV points than the > 11th. however sri bhaskar will also provide u the > analysis when he is free. > > good luck, > k.gopu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Su, I am already on Your chart. Please give me half an hours time to back to you. In the meanwhile I am getting Ascendant Acquarius 14.54.30 which means that you have not changed the ayanamsha setings to Kp. They still remain at Lahiris. All your Bhava placements are absolutely correct. The Bhava Lagna would be starting from 14.54.30 Acquarius, which means that the portion behind this,that is the 14degrees prior to this has been taken up by the 12th Bhava. Which is why probably they ( J.Hora) mention Asc both up and down. will get back to you in some time. Meanwhile you may get ready with queries, if any. regards, Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " illusive_2 " <reality_v wrote: > > Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and > looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and reloaded > again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I > tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps > something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded it > ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is ruling > in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in dhanstan > i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont > even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in > operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ] > > However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in it] > below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its says 'As,Ke'. > why does As appear twice? > > [pasted fr Jh] > House Cusp Middle End Planets in it > > 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " 1 Pi 23' 40.87 " 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " As > 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " 3 Ar 50' 03.65 " 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " Mo, Ve > 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " 4 Ta 03' 17.25 " 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " Su, Me > 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " 2 Ge 03' 27.34 " 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " > 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 29 Ge 44' 40.33 " 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " Ma > 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " 29 Cn 18' 07.46 " 14 Le 47' 25.98 " Ra, Ur, Pl > 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98 " 1 Vi 23' 40.87 " 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " > 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 3 Li 50' 03.65 " 19 Li 40' 11.54 " Ne > 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54 " 4 Sc 03' 17.25 " 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " > 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 2 Sg 03' 27.34 " 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " > 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 29 Sg 44' 40.33 " 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " Ju, Sa > 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " 29 Cp 18' 07.46 " 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " As, Ke > > Natal Chart > > May 13, 1961 > Time: 2:03:00 am > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > rgds Su > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement > > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. > > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > > what we select, and even after we select, > > the difference in the values > > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use > > as new and some use the old one, though > > a very nominal inconsequential difference > > is there unless one wants to time the event > > to the minute, it does not matter). > > Then there is difference between the values of Lat. > > and longitude of the same place in > > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the > > ascnedant which may cause difference in the > > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again > > minimal times. > > > > I normally have another way to check the Planets > > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed > > in their various Bhavas, which is what > > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > > at them for the major part of my study. > > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a > > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the > > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be > > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would > > have to think before replying you. > > ( When you reach this stage, this would > > happen with you too.) > > > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail. > > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, > > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, > > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly > > give me your details I will post back > > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > > Lordships. > > > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times > > intercepted signs too, and thus you may > > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > wrote: > > > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having > learnt > > a > > > new feature] > > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes > the > > > planets have moved ! > > > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software > to > > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago > > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna > > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same as > in > > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one my > fr > > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not > > sure > > > which is correct. > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > > > I never knew that this option > > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > > working, or away from my place. > > > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > > > the start of the First House. > > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > > examples - > > > > it > > > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > > > > appears. > > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > > item 'bhava > > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will > be > > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra by > > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on > how > > to > > > > use > > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly > the > > > > same > > > > > as > > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope > you > > > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more > information > > > on > > > > > events > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and > > > effects > > > > of > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna > > is > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious > > as > > > it > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > > mother,, > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury > is > > in > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak > (2deg > > > lib) > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars (marka > > > > effect) > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent > enemies.. > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is > > > unable > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which > is > > a > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, > Moon > > in > > > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very > much > > > > weaken > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but > jupiter > > > is > > > > 6HL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, > mercury > > > > 3and > > > > > 12HL > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > > house, > > > > with > > > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > > > > depositor > > > > > of > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to > > the > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its > been > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > > ascendant > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a > place. > > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading > material > > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will > > there > > > be > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > > dominant > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 > years > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha > > was > > > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi > > and > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th > > > house > > > > at > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with > > mars. > > > > Does > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > > abortion > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so > > many > > > > lord > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th > is > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > > debiliation > > > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > > exaltation > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction > > does > > > > this > > > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > > Pokhraj, > > > > Ruby > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and > > gods > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking > > after > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till > I > > > get > > > > > some > > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I > > > shall > > > > ask > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 oh Bhaskar...theres no hurry at all!! Pls take your time... [i ought to be in bed in any case!!] rgds, Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Su, > > I am already on Your chart. > Please give me half an hours time to back > to you. > In the meanwhile I am getting Ascendant > Acquarius 14.54.30 which means that you > have not changed the ayanamsha setings to Kp. > They still remain at Lahiris. All your > Bhava placements are absolutely correct. > The Bhava Lagna would be starting from > 14.54.30 Acquarius, which means that the > portion behind this,that is the 14degrees > prior to this has been taken up by the 12th > Bhava. Which is why probably they ( J.Hora) > mention Asc both up and down. > > will get back to you in some time. > Meanwhile you may get ready with > queries, if any. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and > > looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and > reloaded > > again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I > > tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps > > something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded > it > > ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is > ruling > > in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in > dhanstan > > i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont > > even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in > > operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ] > > > > However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in > it] > > below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its says 'As,Ke'. > > why does As appear twice? > > > > [pasted fr Jh] > > House Cusp Middle End Planets in > it > > > > 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " 1 Pi 23' 40.87 " 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " As > > 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " 3 Ar 50' 03.65 " 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " Mo, Ve > > 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " 4 Ta 03' 17.25 " 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " Su, Me > > 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " 2 Ge 03' 27.34 " 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " > > 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 29 Ge 44' 40.33 " 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " Ma > > 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " 29 Cn 18' 07.46 " 14 Le 47' 25.98 " Ra, Ur, Pl > > 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98 " 1 Vi 23' 40.87 " 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " > > 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 3 Li 50' 03.65 " 19 Li 40' 11.54 " Ne > > 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54 " 4 Sc 03' 17.25 " 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " > > 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 2 Sg 03' 27.34 " 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " > > 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 29 Sg 44' 40.33 " 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " Ju, Sa > > 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " 29 Cp 18' 07.46 " 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " As, Ke > > > > Natal Chart > > > > May 13, 1961 > > Time: 2:03:00 am > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement > > > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. > > > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > > > what we select, and even after we select, > > > the difference in the values > > > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > > > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use > > > as new and some use the old one, though > > > a very nominal inconsequential difference > > > is there unless one wants to time the event > > > to the minute, it does not matter). > > > Then there is difference between the values of Lat. > > > and longitude of the same place in > > > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the > > > ascnedant which may cause difference in the > > > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again > > > minimal times. > > > > > > I normally have another way to check the Planets > > > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > > > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > > > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed > > > in their various Bhavas, which is what > > > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > > > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > > > at them for the major part of my study. > > > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a > > > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the > > > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be > > > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would > > > have to think before replying you. > > > ( When you reach this stage, this would > > > happen with you too.) > > > > > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail. > > > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, > > > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, > > > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly > > > give me your details I will post back > > > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > > > Lordships. > > > > > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > > > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times > > > intercepted signs too, and thus you may > > > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > > > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having > > learnt > > > a > > > > new feature] > > > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes > > the > > > > planets have moved ! > > > > > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software > > to > > > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago > > > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna > > > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same > as > > in > > > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one > my > > fr > > > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not > > > sure > > > > which is correct. > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > > > > I never knew that this option > > > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > > > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > > > working, or away from my place. > > > > > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > > > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > > > > the start of the First House. > > > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > <reality_v@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > > > examples - > > > > > it > > > > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > > > > > appears. > > > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > > > item 'bhava > > > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will > > be > > > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra > by > > > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on > > how > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope > > you > > > > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more > > information > > > > on > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and > > > > effects > > > > > of > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the > Lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very > inauspicious > > > as > > > > it > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > > > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > > > mother,, > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. > Mercury > > is > > > in > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak > > (2deg > > > > lib) > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars > (marka > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent > > enemies.. > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it > is > > > > unable > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, > which > > is > > > a > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, > > Moon > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very > > much > > > > > weaken > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > 6HL > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, > > mercury > > > > > 3and > > > > > > 12HL > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > > > house, > > > > > with > > > > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > > > > > depositor > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email > to > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its > > been > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > > > ascendant > > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading > > material > > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will > > > there > > > > be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > > > dominant > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 > > years > > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury > dasha > > > was > > > > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th > dhristi > > > and > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good > yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in > 4th > > > > house > > > > > at > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with > > > mars. > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > > > abortion > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so > > > many > > > > > lord > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in > 11th > > is > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > > > debiliation > > > > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > > > exaltation > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction > > > does > > > > > this > > > > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > > > Pokhraj, > > > > > Ruby > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and > > > gods > > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking > > > after > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions > till > > I > > > > get > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, > I > > > > shall > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I switched ayanamsa to KP and asc is 14.53 now...but whats weird is tht bhava lag keeps shifting betn aq and cp with each reload of Jh!! Once its Aq , then its Cp, then its Aq again..and so on!! Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Su, > > I am already on Your chart. > Please give me half an hours time to back > to you. > In the meanwhile I am getting Ascendant > Acquarius 14.54.30 which means that you > have not changed the ayanamsha setings to Kp. > They still remain at Lahiris. All your > Bhava placements are absolutely correct. > The Bhava Lagna would be starting from > 14.54.30 Acquarius, which means that the > portion behind this,that is the 14degrees > prior to this has been taken up by the 12th > Bhava. Which is why probably they ( J.Hora) > mention Asc both up and down. > > will get back to you in some time. > Meanwhile you may get ready with > queries, if any. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and > > looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and > reloaded > > again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I > > tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps > > something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded > it > > ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is > ruling > > in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in > dhanstan > > i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont > > even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in > > operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ] > > > > However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in > it] > > below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its says 'As,Ke'. > > why does As appear twice? > > > > [pasted fr Jh] > > House Cusp Middle End Planets in > it > > > > 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " 1 Pi 23' 40.87 " 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " As > > 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " 3 Ar 50' 03.65 " 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " Mo, Ve > > 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " 4 Ta 03' 17.25 " 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " Su, Me > > 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " 2 Ge 03' 27.34 " 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " > > 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 29 Ge 44' 40.33 " 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " Ma > > 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " 29 Cn 18' 07.46 " 14 Le 47' 25.98 " Ra, Ur, Pl > > 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98 " 1 Vi 23' 40.87 " 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " > > 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 3 Li 50' 03.65 " 19 Li 40' 11.54 " Ne > > 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54 " 4 Sc 03' 17.25 " 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " > > 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 2 Sg 03' 27.34 " 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " > > 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 29 Sg 44' 40.33 " 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " Ju, Sa > > 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " 29 Cp 18' 07.46 " 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " As, Ke > > > > Natal Chart > > > > May 13, 1961 > > Time: 2:03:00 am > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement > > > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. > > > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > > > what we select, and even after we select, > > > the difference in the values > > > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > > > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use > > > as new and some use the old one, though > > > a very nominal inconsequential difference > > > is there unless one wants to time the event > > > to the minute, it does not matter). > > > Then there is difference between the values of Lat. > > > and longitude of the same place in > > > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the > > > ascnedant which may cause difference in the > > > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again > > > minimal times. > > > > > > I normally have another way to check the Planets > > > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > > > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > > > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed > > > in their various Bhavas, which is what > > > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > > > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > > > at them for the major part of my study. > > > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a > > > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the > > > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be > > > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would > > > have to think before replying you. > > > ( When you reach this stage, this would > > > happen with you too.) > > > > > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail. > > > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, > > > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, > > > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly > > > give me your details I will post back > > > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > > > Lordships. > > > > > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > > > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times > > > intercepted signs too, and thus you may > > > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > > > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having > > learnt > > > a > > > > new feature] > > > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! Yes > > the > > > > planets have moved ! > > > > > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other software > > to > > > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime ago > > > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there lagna > > > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same > as > > in > > > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one > my > > fr > > > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im not > > > sure > > > > which is correct. > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > > > > I never knew that this option > > > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > > > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > > > working, or away from my place. > > > > > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > > > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > > > > the start of the First House. > > > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > <reality_v@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > > > examples - > > > > > it > > > > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down menu > > > > > appears. > > > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > > > item 'bhava > > > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra will > > be > > > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi chakra > by > > > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc on > > how > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart, > > > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive > > > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope > > you > > > > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more > > information > > > > on > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and > > > > effects > > > > > of > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the > Lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very > inauspicious > > > as > > > > it > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > > > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > > > mother,, > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. > Mercury > > is > > > in > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak > > (2deg > > > > lib) > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars > (marka > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent > > enemies.. > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it > is > > > > unable > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, > which > > is > > > a > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, > > Moon > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very > > much > > > > > weaken > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > 6HL > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, > > mercury > > > > > 3and > > > > > > 12HL > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > > > house, > > > > > with > > > > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the > > > > > depositor > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email > to > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its > > been > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > > > ascendant > > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading > > material > > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will > > > there > > > > be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > > > dominant > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 > > years > > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury > dasha > > > was > > > > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th > dhristi > > > and > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good > yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in > 4th > > > > house > > > > > at > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with > > > mars. > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > > > abortion > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so > > > many > > > > > lord > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in > 11th > > is > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > > > debiliation > > > > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > > > exaltation > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction > > > does > > > > > this > > > > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > > > Pokhraj, > > > > > Ruby > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and > > > gods > > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking > > > after > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions > till > > I > > > > get > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, > I > > > > shall > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Su, Both Jupiter and Saturn move from the 12th house in your Natal Chart, to the 11th Bhava. This is a very positive shift, cause both Jupiter and Saturn whenever they Arrive as the Dasa antardasha Lord and are empowered, they would represent the 11th house of gains ( They would represent only the house effects they shift to, but signs do not shift and Signs in which planets are placed always remain same even in Bhava chart and have to be reckoned in that manner only as the Natal chart - I mean characteristics of which planet placed in which sign ). . On the other side Rahu moving to the 6th means trouble in the area of health, sudden cuts and sudden ill health to you. Thus you may check the effects of any other change in your Chart, and read accordingly. Mars Mahadasha. Mars represents the 5th house, which means the other person ( people ) would take advantage of You. Its is placed in constellation of Saturn who represents the 11th and 12th house both. This means Inflow and Outflow of Income equally . Current antardasha Moon Representing 2nd house of wealth. and 6th house of income through profession. Constellationwise representing the 12th house which again shows the income going away in one or the other heads of expenditure . This is the way to judge the Cuspal or Bhava Chalit Chart. and you would find the answers to many questions hitherto unanswered. best wishes, Bhaskar www.shrkrishnajyotish.com , "illusive_2" <reality_v wrote:>> oh Bhaskar...theres no hurry at all!! Pls take your time...> [i ought to be in bed in any case!!]> rgds, Su> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Su,> > > > I am already on Your chart.> > Please give me half an hours time to back > > to you.> > In the meanwhile I am getting Ascendant> > Acquarius 14.54.30 which means that you> > have not changed the ayanamsha setings to Kp.> > They still remain at Lahiris. All your > > Bhava placements are absolutely correct.> > The Bhava Lagna would be starting from > > 14.54.30 Acquarius, which means that the> > portion behind this,that is the 14degrees> > prior to this has been taken up by the 12th > > Bhava. Which is why probably they ( J.Hora)> > mention Asc both up and down.> > > > will get back to you in some time.> > Meanwhile you may get ready with > > queries, if any.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar. > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "illusive_2" <reality_v@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and > > > looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and > > reloaded > > > again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I > > > tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps > > > something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded > > it > > > ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is > > ruling > > > in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in > > dhanstan > > > i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont > > > even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in > > > operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ]> > > > > > However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in > > it] > > > below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its > says 'As,Ke'. > > > why does As appear twice?> > > > > > [pasted fr Jh]> > > House Cusp Middle End Planets > in > > it> > > > > > 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98" 1 Pi 23' 40.87" 17 Pi 59' 55.76" As> > > 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76" 3 Ar 50' 03.65" 19 Ar 40' 11.54" Mo, Ve> > > 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54" 4 Ta 03' 17.25" 18 Ta 26' 22.97" Su, Me> > > 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97" 2 Ge 03' 27.34" 15 Ge 40' 31.71" > > > 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71" 29 Ge 44' 40.33" 13 Cn 48' 48.95" Ma> > > 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95" 29 Cn 18' 07.46" 14 Le 47' 25.98" Ra, Ur, > Pl> > > 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98" 1 Vi 23' 40.87" 17 Vi 59' 55.76" > > > 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76" 3 Li 50' 03.65" 19 Li 40' 11.54" Ne> > > 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54" 4 Sc 03' 17.25" 18 Sc 26' 22.97" > > > 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97" 2 Sg 03' 27.34" 15 Sg 40' 31.71" > > > 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71" 29 Sg 44' 40.33" 13 Cp 48' 48.95" Ju, Sa> > > 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95" 29 Cp 18' 07.46" 14 Aq 47' 25.98" As, Ke> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > May 13, 1961> > > Time: 2:03:00 am> > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 101 E 42' 00", 3 N 10' 00"> > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia> > > > > > > > > rgds Su> > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement> > > > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned.> > > > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > > > > what we select, and even after we select,> > > > the difference in the values> > > > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > > > > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use> > > > as new and some use the old one, though> > > > a very nominal inconsequential difference > > > > is there unless one wants to time the event> > > > to the minute, it does not matter). > > > > Then there is difference between the values of Lat.> > > > and longitude of the same place in> > > > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the> > > > ascnedant which may cause difference in the> > > > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again> > > > minimal times. > > > > > > > > I normally have another way to check the Planets> > > > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > > > > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > > > > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed> > > > in their various Bhavas, which is what> > > > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > > > > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > > > > at them for the major part of my study. > > > > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a> > > > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the> > > > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be> > > > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would> > > > have to think before replying you.> > > > ( When you reach this stage, this would > > > > happen with you too.)> > > > > > > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail.> > > > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago,> > > > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares,> > > > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly> > > > give me your details I will post back> > > > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > > > > Lordships. > > > > > > > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > > > > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times> > > > intercepted signs too, and thus you may> > > > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > > > > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "illusive_2" <reality_v@> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having > > > learnt > > > > a > > > > > new feature]> > > > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! > Yes > > > the > > > > > planets have moved ! > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other > software > > > to > > > > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime > ago > > > > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there > lagna > > > > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same > > as > > > in > > > > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > > > > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one > > my > > > fr > > > > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im > not > > > > sure > > > > > which is correct. > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su> > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > > > > and I have learnt this, new from You)> > > > > > I never knew that this option > > > > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options> > > > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have> > > > > > saved me lot of time, in future,> > > > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > > > > working, or away from my place.> > > > > > > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more.> > > > > > After clicking on Basics on Top.> > > > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List> > > > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right> > > > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under.> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy )> > > > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is> > > > > > the start of the First House.> > > > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > > > > and let me know whether it remains same,> > > > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > > > > or some planets change Houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "illusive_2" > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > > > > examples - > > > > > > it > > > > > > > was far more than what I expected!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in> > > > > > > > J.Hora ?//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down > menu > > > > > > appears. > > > > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > > > > item 'bhava > > > > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra > will > > > be > > > > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi > chakra > > by > > > > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in> > > > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and> > > > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole> > > > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left> > > > > > > > the rest.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on> > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart> > > > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this> > > > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy> > > > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between> > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is> > > > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a> > > > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if> > > > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house,> > > > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native> > > > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on> > > > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow> > > > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native> > > > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have> > > > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,> > > > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in> > > > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter> > > > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit> > > > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?> > > > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not> > > > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the> > > > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer> > > > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case> > > > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would> > > > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for> > > > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,> > > > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted> > > > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in> > > > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury> > > > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer> > > > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need> > > > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted> > > > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read> > > > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not> > > > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply> > > > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and> > > > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,> > > > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "illusive_2" > > > > <reality_v@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> > > > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc > on > > > how > > > > to > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears > exactly > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right?> > > > > > > > > rgds Su> > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the > chart,> > > > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > > > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > > > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > > > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > > > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > > > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > > > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts> > > > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar> > > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > > > > > > > <sheevani147@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the > horoscope > > > you> > > > > > > > > mentioned,,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more > > > information > > > > > on > > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the person's life.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother > and > > > > > effects > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > mars> > > > > > > > > > > mercury and moon.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the > > Lagna > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very > > inauspicious > > > > as > > > > > it > > > > > > > is in> > > > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > > > > cancer/leo)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > > > > mother,, > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. > > Mercury > > > is > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak > > > (2deg > > > > > lib)> > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars> > (marka > > > > > > effect)> > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent > > > enemies.. > > > > > > > therefore> > > > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it > > is > > > > > unable > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > give> > > > > > > > > > > good results.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, > > which > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > moksha> > > > > > > > > > > house..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is > weak, > > > Moon > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Dhanista> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very > > > much > > > > > > weaken > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > explained above)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > 6HL> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, > > > mercury > > > > > > 3and > > > > > > > 12HL> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > > > > house, > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > mars,> > > > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani > the > > > > > > depositor > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from > moon..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > > > > <rajeevmundra@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > group.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but > its > > > been > > > > > > > confusing> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > cancer> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a > > > place.> > > > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading > > > material > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > helpful.> > > > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, > will > > > > there > > > > > be > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > effects of> > > > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > > > > dominant > > > > > > > effect?> > > > > > > > > > Can> > > > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 > > > years > > > > > old.> > > > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury > > dasha > > > > was > > > > > > > running.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th > > dhristi > > > > and > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhristi.> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the effect.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good > > yog?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in > > 4th > > > > > house > > > > > > at > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house > with > > > > mars. > > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > breaks the> > > > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > > > > abortion > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of > so > > > > many > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in > > 11th > > > is > > > > > > > usually> > > > > > > > > > subh.> > > > > > > > > > > What do> > > > > > > > > > > > you say for this case.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > > > > debiliation> > > > > > > > > sign.> > > > > > > > > > > What is> > > > > > > > > > > > the effect?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > sign,> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > is the> > > > > > > > > > > > effect?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what > direction > > > > does > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > give.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > > > > Pokhraj, > > > > > > Ruby> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > Moonga?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard > and > > > > gods > > > > > > > presence> > > > > > > > > > > stays in the> > > > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish > looking > > > > after > > > > > > them.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions > > till > > > I > > > > > get > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more > queries, > > I > > > > > shall > > > > > > ask> > > > > > > > > > again.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Su, Shri Gopuji is very right. The sign does not change in the Bhava Chalit, but only the Bhava ( Cusp) changes. he is also very right about the SAV points. Your 12th house is more active than the 11th one. How to take advantage of this handicap, i will let you know one of these days, please remind me. Ots late here in Bombay too. Nearing midnight and dinner has been served since long. Need to leave now. regards, Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr su, > I am surprised as to how ur getting juptier and saturn > in saggitarrius. Ur lagna both in natal and bhava > chart is aquarius, ur second and 12th lord jupiter is > in capricorn in 12th house and debilitated along with > saturn. ur running mars dasa upto 2009. mars is > causing argala to th e 7th from lagna, so if ur in > buisness it will be struggle. otherwise the mercury, > venus and sun ,moon bhukthi will be favourable to u. > if u apply vedic astro methods, ur 2nd lord and > 11thlord jupiter is in 12th so whatever u earn it > vanishes. ur 12th house has more SAV points than the > 11th. however sri bhaskar will also provide u the > analysis when he is free. > > good luck, > k.gopu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think its slowly dawning on me what you and Gopu Sir were trying to say. The planets bascially remain in the same signs as rasi chart, but the bhava chart represents the shift in hse [hse number] on account of degreecal placement and thus could give the effects of tht 'hse no'. So now, sa/ju could act in a 'labha' way during their active periods. [i hve to go thru my ju/sa antardashas to see what hap during those times]. //On the other side Rahu moving to the 6th means trouble in the area of health, sudden cuts and sudden ill health to you.// Current mars dasha has not been helpful in the health area - I was hoping rahu might be better...guess not, huh.. [actually I still hve your comments on my rahu MD which you gave me sometime last yr in JG- group. You did mention then tht finances would improve during rahu md, but health might be troubled] //Mars represents the 5th house, which means the other person ( > people ) would take advantage of You. Its is placed in constellation of Saturn who represents the 11th and 12th house both. This means Inflow and Outflow of Income equally // About being taken advantage of..hmm, not generally - Ive become extremely reclusive during mars dasha [perhaps just as well]. Mars 3L in deb in nakshatra of 12L Sa, has made me a hermit of sorts. But your are right about inflow and outflow - I am unable to save anything - this has been particulary so since Sa's shift to Leo. Outflow has been unstoppable since then!! Thank you for taking the trouble to enlighten me on Bhava chakra. Really, I am gratefu, I had abso no clue about bhava chakra b4 this. rgds, Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Su, > Both Jupiter and Saturn move from the 12th house in your Natal Chart, > to the 11th Bhava. This is a very positive shift, cause both Jupiter > and Saturn whenever they Arrive as the Dasa antardasha Lord and are > empowered, they would represent the 11th house of gains ( They would > represent only the house effects they shift to, but signs do not shift > and Signs in which planets are placed always remain same even in Bhava > chart and have to be reckoned in that manner only as the Natal chart - > I mean characteristics of which planet placed in which sign ). . On the > other side Rahu moving to the 6th means trouble in the area of health, > sudden cuts and sudden ill health to you. Thus you may check the > effects of any other change in your Chart, and read accordingly. Mars > Mahadasha. Mars represents the 5th house, which means the other person ( > people ) would take advantage of You. Its is placed in constellation of > Saturn who represents the 11th and 12th house both. This means Inflow > and Outflow of Income equally . Current antardasha Moon Representing > 2nd house of wealth. and 6th house of income through profession. > Constellationwise representing the 12th house which again shows the > income going away in one or the other heads of expenditure . This is > the way to judge the Cuspal or Bhava Chalit Chart. and you would find > the answers to many questions hitherto unanswered. best wishes, > Bhaskar www.shrkrishnajyotish.com <http://www.shrkrishnajyotish.com/> > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > oh Bhaskar...theres no hurry at all!! Pls take your time... > > [i ought to be in bed in any case!!] > > rgds, Su > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Su, > > > > > > I am already on Your chart. > > > Please give me half an hours time to back > > > to you. > > > In the meanwhile I am getting Ascendant > > > Acquarius 14.54.30 which means that you > > > have not changed the ayanamsha setings to Kp. > > > They still remain at Lahiris. All your > > > Bhava placements are absolutely correct. > > > The Bhava Lagna would be starting from > > > 14.54.30 Acquarius, which means that the > > > portion behind this,that is the 14degrees > > > prior to this has been taken up by the 12th > > > Bhava. Which is why probably they ( J.Hora) > > > mention Asc both up and down. > > > > > > will get back to you in some time. > > > Meanwhile you may get ready with > > > queries, if any. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar, this is really weird - this morning when I opened Jh and > > > > looked at bhava chart the lag comes up as Aq!!! I closed and > > > reloaded > > > > again and it still remains as Aq. Last nite however soon after I > > > > tried those changes u suggested it showed up as cp...perhaps > > > > something got stuck somewhere and readjusted itself when I loaded > > > it > > > > ths morn. [if Aq is lag, then 2/11 L Ju, karaka for wealth, is > > > ruling > > > > in 11 with LL Sa. I should be rich, and with ve exalting in > > > dhanstan > > > > i should be super rich! But Im not at all rich. I currently dont > > > > even have a proper income! It seems my rasi chart is more in > > > > operation with 2/11L in 12hse of loss. ] > > > > > > > > However I dont quite understand the last right column [planets in > > > it] > > > > below : first row has, 'As', and in the last row, its > > says 'As,Ke'. > > > > why does As appear twice? > > > > > > > > [pasted fr Jh] > > > > House Cusp Middle End Planets > > in > > > it > > > > > > > > 1st 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " 1 Pi 23' 40.87 " 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " As > > > > 2nd 17 Pi 59' 55.76 " 3 Ar 50' 03.65 " 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " Mo, Ve > > > > 3rd 19 Ar 40' 11.54 " 4 Ta 03' 17.25 " 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " Su, Me > > > > 4th 18 Ta 26' 22.97 " 2 Ge 03' 27.34 " 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " > > > > 5th 15 Ge 40' 31.71 " 29 Ge 44' 40.33 " 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " Ma > > > > 6th 13 Cn 48' 48.95 " 29 Cn 18' 07.46 " 14 Le 47' 25.98 " Ra, Ur, > > Pl > > > > 7th 14 Le 47' 25.98 " 1 Vi 23' 40.87 " 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " > > > > 8th 17 Vi 59' 55.76 " 3 Li 50' 03.65 " 19 Li 40' 11.54 " Ne > > > > 9th 19 Li 40' 11.54 " 4 Sc 03' 17.25 " 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " > > > > 10th 18 Sc 26' 22.97 " 2 Sg 03' 27.34 " 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " > > > > 11th 15 Sg 40' 31.71 " 29 Sg 44' 40.33 " 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " Ju, Sa > > > > 12th 13 Cp 48' 48.95 " 29 Cp 18' 07.46 " 14 Aq 47' 25.98 " As, Ke > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > May 13, 1961 > > > > Time: 2:03:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > > > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > J.Hora is 99% right as to the placement > > > > > of the planets in the Bhava is concerned. > > > > > 1% difference may be due to Ayanamsha > > > > > what we select, and even after we select, > > > > > the difference in the values > > > > > of the same Ayanamsha between 2 softwares. > > > > > ( For ex. Kp ayanamsha also some use > > > > > as new and some use the old one, though > > > > > a very nominal inconsequential difference > > > > > is there unless one wants to time the event > > > > > to the minute, it does not matter). > > > > > Then there is difference between the values of Lat. > > > > > and longitude of the same place in > > > > > 2 softwares, and this makes a difference in the > > > > > ascnedant which may cause difference in the > > > > > Ascendant Sublord at times, though again > > > > > minimal times. > > > > > > > > > > I normally have another way to check the Planets > > > > > in Bhava from the J.Hora. I check the column of > > > > > the cusps 1 to 12, and in the last column of the > > > > > same page, you will find the 9 planets placed > > > > > in their various Bhavas, which is what > > > > > I note down on a piece of Paper, and once this > > > > > is done,I forget the Charts, and dont even look > > > > > at them for the major part of my study. > > > > > Suppose you visit me while I am studying a > > > > > chart, and ask me suddenly what is the > > > > > ascendant of the chart I am studying, I would be > > > > > for a loss to reply you, for a moment and would > > > > > have to think before replying you. > > > > > ( When you reach this stage, this would > > > > > happen with you too.) > > > > > > > > > > Okay now coming to the point of this mail. > > > > > My Computer has been formatted a few months ago, > > > > > deleting all the data in the Jyotish softwares, > > > > > and that includes yours too.If You can kindly > > > > > give me your details I will post back > > > > > the Cuspal positions of the Planets and the > > > > > Lordships. > > > > > > > > > > Also remember that when you go for Placiddus > > > > > system or Bhava Chalit, you may have at times > > > > > intercepted signs too, and thus you may > > > > > have a Planet having Lordships of more than 2 > > > > > Bhavas, ar a planet having no Lordship at all. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " <reality_v@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > lol Bhaskar, this is cool! [im childishly gleeful at having > > > > learnt > > > > > a > > > > > > new feature] > > > > > > Ive now learnt how to use the features in the 'Houses' tag! > > Yes > > > > the > > > > > > planets have moved ! > > > > > > > > > > > > But Bhaskar you might want to compare Jh with yr other > > software > > > > to > > > > > > see if it gives same results for the Bhava chart. Sometime > > ago > > > > > > another fr made my bhava chart on his software and there > > lagna > > > > > > remains the same as rasi but the ohter planets shift the same > > > as > > > > in > > > > > > Jh here. But Jh shifts my lag as well in bhava chart! > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jh bhava chart lag is cp, putting kethu in lag. In the one > > > my > > > > fr > > > > > > made for me lag remains aq and kethu now goes into 12th. Im > > not > > > > > sure > > > > > > which is correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > ( Sharing always makes one more learned > > > > > > > and I have learnt this, new from You) > > > > > > > I never knew that this option > > > > > > > existed,or never gave much mind to these options > > > > > > > whenever watching the drop down menu. You have > > > > > > > saved me lot of time, in future, > > > > > > > whenever next I am watching the J.Hora at any > > > > > > > time when my regular Licensed software is not > > > > > > > working, or away from my place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay now you need to do more. > > > > > > > After clicking on Basics on Top. > > > > > > > next clicking on Houses below,the List > > > > > > > of 1-12 Cusps would appear, which of course > > > > > > > you know.Now anywhere on this page a right > > > > > > > click would again give you a Drop down menu. > > > > > > > Here you choose these 2 options as under. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Placidus Houses ( KP Krishnamoorthy ) > > > > > > > 2) Ascendant or the chosen reference is > > > > > > > the start of the First House. > > > > > > > After doing above, check Your Bhava Chart > > > > > > > and let me know whether it remains same, > > > > > > > as the Natal Chart, > > > > > > > or some planets change Houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, thank yor for your kind reply with clear > > > > > examples - > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was far more than what I expected!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > > > J.Hora ?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you right click on rasi chart on Jhora a drop down > > menu > > > > > > > appears. > > > > > > > > just below the rasi chakra on the menu you will see the > > > > > > item 'bhava > > > > > > > > chakra or chalit chakra'. Click on it. The rasi chakra > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > replaced by this chart. you can then revert to rasi > > chakra > > > by > > > > > > > > clicking on 'rasi chakra' on the same menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you again, Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in > > > > > > > > > J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > > > > > > > > > never actually had enough time to explore the whole > > > > > > > > > site, just looked at my own requirement and left > > > > > > > > > the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Books on Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no particular books on > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > > > > > > > > > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small example of the difference of results between > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is > > > > > > > > > in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > > > > > > > > > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if > > > > > > > > > in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > > > > > > > > > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > > > > > > > > > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on > > > > > > > > > the contrary the Native will always have outflow > > > > > > > > > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native > > > > > > > > > would be told by astrologers that he will have > > > > > > > > > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets, > > > > > > > > > because these astrologers do not go deep in > > > > > > > > > studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > > > > > > > > > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > > > > > > > > > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ? > > > > > > > > > Its vanished, and the native need not > > > > > > > > > feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the > > > > > > > > > ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > > > > > > > > > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case > > > > > > > > > known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would > > > > > > > > > be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for > > > > > > > > > the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life, > > > > > > > > > which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > > > to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in > > > > > > > > > the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury > > > > > > > > > in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer > > > > > > > > > that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need > > > > > > > > > not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted > > > > > > > > > to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when you have read the above examples and read > > > > > > > > > the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not > > > > > > > > > have to search or buy any books, just apply > > > > > > > > > these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > > > > > > > > > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart, > > > > > > > > > and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > <http://www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " illusive_2 " > > > > > <reality_v@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/etc > > on > > > > how > > > > > to > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears > > exactly > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > rasi...would tht be right? > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevaniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but > > > > > > > > > > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You > > > > > > > > > > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly > > > > > > > > > > > equip themselves very much for better p [redictive > > > > > > > > > > > levels than their couterparts > > > > > > > > > > > who do not use or study this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > > > <sheevani147@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the > > horoscope > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more > > > > information > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother > > and > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury and moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the > > > Lagna > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very > > > inauspicious > > > > > as > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, > > > > > > cancer/leo) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his > > > > > mother,, > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. > > > Mercury > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak > > > > (2deg > > > > > > lib) > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > an enemy sign(venus).. Venus is in 2h from mars > > > (marka > > > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent > > > > enemies.. > > > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it > > > is > > > > > > unable > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, > > > which > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > house.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is > > weak, > > > > Moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Dhanista > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very > > > > much > > > > > > > weaken > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > explained above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > 6HL > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, > > > > mercury > > > > > > > 3and > > > > > > > > 12HL > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > shani 7and 8HL.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > mars, > > > > > > > > > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani > > the > > > > > > > depositor > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from > > moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , RajeevM > > > > > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but > > its > > > > been > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11:20pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a > > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading > > > > material > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, > > will > > > > > there > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo or cancer or mixed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having > > > > > dominant > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > life incidents give some clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 > > > > years > > > > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury > > > dasha > > > > > was > > > > > > > > running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th > > > dhristi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhristi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good > > > yog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in > > > 4th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house > > with > > > > > mars. > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > breaks the > > > > > > > > > > > > > auspiciousness of mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, > > > > > abortion > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your comment on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of > > so > > > > > many > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in > > > 11th > > > > is > > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > > > subh. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say for this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its > > > > > > > debiliation > > > > > > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what > > direction > > > > > does > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, > > > > > Pokhraj, > > > > > > > Ruby > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Moonga? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard > > and > > > > > gods > > > > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > > > > > stays in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish > > looking > > > > > after > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions > > > till > > > > I > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, after reading which if I have more > > queries, > > > I > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 If 12 hse has more SAV points, that would be better for 'moksa sadhana'? I really do wish you had put aside my chart and had dinner instead! thank you again regds, Su , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Su, > > Shri Gopuji is very right. The sign does not > change in the Bhava Chalit, but only > the Bhava ( Cusp) changes. > he is also very right about the SAV points. > Your 12th house is more active than the 11th one. > How to take advantage of this handicap, i will let > you know one of these days, please remind me. > > Ots late here in Bombay too. Nearing midnight > and dinner has been served since long. > Need to leave now. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Mr su, > > I am surprised as to how ur getting juptier and saturn > > in saggitarrius. Ur lagna both in natal and bhava > > chart is aquarius, ur second and 12th lord jupiter is > > in capricorn in 12th house and debilitated along with > > saturn. ur running mars dasa upto 2009. mars is > > causing argala to th e 7th from lagna, so if ur in > > buisness it will be struggle. otherwise the mercury, > > venus and sun ,moon bhukthi will be favourable to u. > > if u apply vedic astro methods, ur 2nd lord and > > 11thlord jupiter is in 12th so whatever u earn it > > vanishes. ur 12th house has more SAV points than the > > 11th. however sri bhaskar will also provide u the > > analysis when he is free. > > > > good luck, > > k.gopu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 dear su, ur having jupiter and saturn in the 12th in the natal chart so both can lead u to the path of moksha. if u analyse u will find that earning money has no meaning if it doesnt fulfils the material needs of the present day world. so ur 12th house has more points than the 11th which means money doesnt stay with u. it goes off so naturally this situation can also alter the mind of a person and make him seek to the path of moksha. ie partial renunciation due to circumstances. good luck, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Bhaskarjee I wish to Kindly request you to my name from your Mailing List. Warm Regards Ravindra Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 8:27:30 AM Re: bhava chalit Dear Su, Bhava Chalit in J.Hora On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit inJ.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and never actually had enough time to explore the wholesite, just looked at my own requirement and left the rest. Books on Bhava Chalit There are no particular books onBhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chartand Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthypadhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit . A small example of the difference of results between Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this - 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury isin the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But ifin Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,onthe contrary the Native will always have outflow of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the nativewould be told by astrologers that he will have superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,because these astrologers do not go deep instudying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?Its vanished, and the native need notfeel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga. 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in theascendant and is been told by his family astrologer that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this caseknown as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet wouldbe in the air all his Life and would be waiting forthe Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,which would never happen, if the Mercury has shiftedto the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart. 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example inthe above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercuryin his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologerthat he will never rise above the ordinary, now neednot feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shiftedto the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. Now when you have read the above examples and readthe essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need nothave to search or buy any books, just applythese princoiples to every chart you encounter, and check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,and as actually happenning in the natives Life. rgrds,Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com , "illusive_2" <reality_v@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/ etc on how to use > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as > rasi...would tht be right?> rgds Su> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart,> > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > levels than their couterparts> > who do not use or study this chart.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar> > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com> > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" <sheevani147@> > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > mentioned,,> > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > > in > > > the person's life. > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > mars > > > mercury and moon.> > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the > 4th > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo)> > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury > is > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > nakshatra > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib)> placed > > in > > > an enemy sign(venus). . Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > Mars > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > give > > > good results.> > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > > house..> > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > Dhanista > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > > explained above)> > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > and > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > > and > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > mars, > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > > moon > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon..> > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group.> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > > for > > > me.> > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > > which > > > after> > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > 11:20pm> > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place.> > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > > helpful.> > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > > effects of> > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > > Can > > > various> > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old.> > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running.> > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > > with > > > 3rd> > > > Dhristi.> > > > What is the effect.> > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog?> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > > degree.> > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > this > > > breaks the> > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc.> > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > > 5th > > > house> > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > > subh. > > > What do> > > > you say for this case.> > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > sign. > > > What is> > > > the effect?> > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > > what > > > is the> > > > effect?> > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > give.> > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > and > > > Moonga?> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > > stays in the> > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them.> > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > > reply > > > from> > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > again.> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > Rajeev> > > >> > >> >> Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Ravindraji, Just like you have Subscribed yourself without my help, You are expected to Un on Your own. Please go to the Home Page of this Forum, click on Edit membership, and after that You will find a Option " Leave Group" on the bottom right hand. Click that, and You would be wishing us Good bye. regards, Bhaskar. , Ravindra Bhagwat <rvbhagwat2004 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarjee>  > I wish to Kindly request you to my name from your Mailing List. > Warm Regards> Ravindra  >  > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 8:27:30 AM> Re: bhava chalit> > > Dear Su,> Bhava Chalit in J.Hora > On which Page do you see the Bhava Chalit in> J.Hora ? because I am not aware about this, and > never actually had enough time to explore the whole> site, just looked at my own requirement and left > the rest.> Books on Bhava Chalit> There are no particular books on> Bhava Chalit or how to judge between Natal Chart> and Bhava Chalit Chart ( Probably I may write this > book some day ). But all books related to Krishnamurthy> padhaty have refrence to such Charts and their usage. > Examples - how to use Bhava Chalit .> A small example of the difference of results between > Bhava Chalit and Natal Chart, and how to use this -> 1) Suppose in Natal Chart- Leo ascendant, Mercury is> in the 11th with the Lagna Lord Sun. This makes a > superb RajYoga ( Combination ) for Wealth. But if> in Bhava Chalit Mercury moves to the 12th house, > and Sun to the 10th, then what happens ? The native > will earn name and fame in Life, but no money,on> the contrary the Native will always have outflow > of money more than inflow. ( Whole Life the native> would be told by astrologers that he will have > superb wealth, but actually is empty pockets,> because these astrologers do not go deep in> studying the Bhava Chalit Chart ). > 2) Gajakesari Yoga. Suppose in a Natal chart Jupiter > is in Kendra from the Moon, but if in Bhava Chalit > Jupiter moves away, then wheres the Gajakesari Yoga ?> Its vanished, and the native need not> feel elated whole Life about his Gajakesari Yoga.> 3) Now suppose one Virgo ascendant has Mercury in the> ascendant and is been told by his family astrologer > that he has a Pancha Mahapurusha Yog ( In this case> known as Bhadra Yoga ), this poor chaps feet would> be in the air all his Life and would be waiting for> the Maha ( Greatness ) to fructify in his Life,> which would never happen, if the Mercury has shifted> to the 2nd house in his Bhava Chalit chart.> 4) Alternatively, if we take the first example in> the above discussion, if one Leo ascendant has Mercury> in his 12th house, and has been told by the astrologer> that he will never rise above the ordinary, now need> not feel disappointed, if this same Mercury has shifted> to the 11th house in the Bhava Chalit chart. > Now when you have read the above examples and read> the essence of how to use Bhava Chalit, you need not> have to search or buy any books, just apply> these princoiples to every chart you encounter, and > check the results as actually stated in the Natal chart,> and as actually happenning in the natives Life. > rgrds,> Bhaskar. > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com>  >  >  >  > > , "illusive_2" reality_v@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar/Sheevani> > Would you be able to recommend some books/sites/ etc on how to use > > bhava chalit. My chalit chakra in JHora appears exactly the same as > > rasi...would tht be right?> > rgds Su> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sheevaniji,> > > > > > I have not read your analysis connecting to the chart,> > > for I have not yet made the chart in question, but> > > a cursory glance on your analysis shows me that You> > > are using the Bhava chalit in your analysis.> > > This makes me extremely happy. Those traditional> > > astrologers who learn to do this, would certainly> > > equip themselves very much for better p[redictive> > > levels than their couterparts> > > who do not use or study this chart.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar> > > www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" <sheevani147@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev ji,> > > > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > > > May I just offer you some thoughts on the horoscope you > > mentioned,,> > > > > > > > For birthtime rectification , you need more information on events > > > in > > > > the person's life. > > > > > > > > I am mainly concentrating on the loss of mother and effects of > > mars > > > > mercury and moon.> > > > > > > > Taking Cancer as lagna, firstly notice that the Lagna is in the > > 4th > > > > pada of Asleesa nakshatra, which is very inauspicious as it is in > > > > gandanta status (junction of water/fire signs,, cancer/leo)> > > > > > > > During mars and mercury period, native lost his mother,, Mercury > > is > > > > 12L and lord of 3H, hence malefic for lagna. Mercury is in > > > nakshatra > > > > of Jupiter, who is placed in the 2H (marka powers)> > > > > > > > Mars is yogkarka for this lagna, but is very weak (2deg lib)> > placed > > > in > > > > an enemy sign(venus). . Venus is in 2h from mars(marka effect) > > Mars > > > > and mercury are also temperory and permanent enemies.. therefore > > > > bitter enemies. All this is crippling mars and it is unable to > > give > > > > good results.> > > > > > > > Both mars and mercury are placed in 4th house, which is a moksha > > > > house..> > > > > > > > Moon is in 7H capricorn, whose lord Shani is weak, Moon in > > Dhanista > > > > nakshatra, whose lord and sub lord is mars, (very much weaken as > > > > explained above)> > > > > > > > In bhava chalit chart, Jupiter aspects Moon but jupiter is 6HL > > and > > > > 12HL. The 4H is badly afflicted, marka 2HL sun, mercury 3and 12HL > > > and > > > > shani 7and 8HL..> > > > > > > > In Navamsha, moon is with ketu and sun in the 6th house, with > > mars, > > > > the nakshatra lord of moon placed in 8H. Shani the depositor of > > > moon > > > > is placed in the 5H, which is 12th house from moon..> > > > > > > > Hope that answers some of your questions..> > > > > > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > As per your instruction, I am sending the email to the group.> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji> > > > > > > > > > I need help from you on one chart.> > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to analyze this chart but its been confusing > > > for > > > > me.> > > > > One big source of confusion is the degree of ascendant cancer > > > which > > > > after> > > > > just 1 min changes from cancer to leo.> > > > > > > > > > 21-Nov-1955> > > > > 11:20pm> > > > > Dhaka (25N33, 88E43)> > > > > Time zone: 6:00 East of GMT.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatis the effect of ascendant being at such a place.> > > > > and how to analyze such charts. Any reading material would be > > > > helpful.> > > > > Since Leo lagna is going to start in 1 min, will there be more > > > > effects of> > > > > leo or cancer or mixed?> > > > > > > > > > Also how do we determine which lagna is having dominant effect? > > > Can > > > > various> > > > > life incidents give some clues?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native lost his mother was he was around 4 years old.> > > > > At which time mangal maha dasha with Mercury dasha was running.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I take CANCER LAGNA> > > > > Moon is in 7th house. Mars aspects with 4th dhristi and Saturn > > > with > > > > 3rd> > > > > Dhristi.> > > > > What is the effect.> > > > > > > > > > Does the dhristi of Mars on Moon cause any good yog?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is lord of 10th and 5th house and sits in 4th house at 2 > > > > degree.> > > > > I think mars is a strong raj yog karak.> > > > > > > > > > Mercury (12Lord and 3Lord) also in 4th house with mars. Does > > this > > > > breaks the> > > > > auspiciousness of mars?> > > > > > > > > > Ra, Sa, Su, VE all in 5th house.> > > > > But in this case, there was no loss of child, abortion etc.> > > > > Your comment on this?> > > > > > > > > > What is the individual and combined effects of so many lord in > > > 5th > > > > house> > > > > which is ruled by mars in this case.> > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 11th house. I read that any planet in 11th is usually > > > subh. > > > > What do> > > > > you say for this case.> > > > > > > > > > Sun is at 5 degrees in Scorpio, just out of its debiliation > > sign. > > > > What is> > > > > the effect?> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is at 1 degree in scorpio, just out of exaltation sign, > > > what > > > > is the> > > > > effect?> > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 5th house with sa, su, ve, what direction does this > > give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Native is wearing Blue sapphire and pokhraj.> > > > > What would be the changes & effect of wearing, Pokhraj, Ruby > > and > > > > Moonga?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said, that misfortune doesnot hits hard and gods presence > > > > stays in the> > > > > house of people who have a great jyotish looking after them.> > > > > > > > > > With this in mind, I have put my questions.> > > > > > > > > > I could ask more, but will defer my questions till I get some > > > reply > > > > from> > > > > you, after reading which if I have more queries, I shall ask > > > again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay> > > > > Rajeev> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding. Somnath Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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