Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Dear Astrologers, I have a few questions that I would like to clarify as I am learning the Lal Kitab. I am a bit confused as to whether I should look at the natal chart or the varshpal for analysis or both. Could someone please let me know whether we do upai for both or just varshpal or just natal chart? If ketu and moon are both in the lagna and aspecting sun and mercury in 7th house, does sun become exaulted because of the position of ketu regardless of the fact that 7th house in general is not benefic for sun? I am a bit confused about 10th house, it is known as the house of profession, but there are many planets which if placed there are malefic, such as Sun. So then if this is the house of profession sun will automatically be malefic how would it be possible to make it benefic or can the best we do is neutralize it's bad effect by doing upais? By doing upais do we end up moving certain planets to other houses, for example, some upais say to throw things in running water but lal kitab says that throwing items of a planet in running water moves that planet to the forth house is this what is happening and if this is the case wouldn't moving that planet to the 4th house impact other planets and require further analysis of the houses being impacted by this change (ie. 10th house is aspected, etc.). I would appreciate any help that can be offered to me. I would like to say that this chat group is fantastic and I have learned so much from everyone! Thank you for all your help, M. Walia _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 sir, in my modest opinion i think that the natal chart is of utmost importance, it gives the characeristic or nature of the planet. as the palnets are constantly moving the give results according to their transits but the basic nature remains of the one in natal chart. but as u know knowingly or knowingly living with the karakas of these grahas by our acts there position changes according to lalkitab e.g. u bury something, construst house, girl or male child is born, marriage solemnised. the charts devised by pt.joshi show the planetary position qua the houses if we don't these acts. but in day to day life it is hard to keep account of what we are doing so accurate positioning of planets in varshphal is a little tricky. has to be judged by surrounding conditions. one more ignored aspect of varshphal is that after doing an upaya the planet has to be repositioned in the horoscope, because in the next year the movement would start from the house where we have placed it in the concurrent year. so dealing with the natal chart qua the prevailing conditions in life is the safest bet. kulbirharrit pall <harritpall wrote: Dear Astrologers,I have a few questions that I would like to clarify asI am learning the Lal Kitab.I am a bit confused as to whether I should look at thenatal chart or the varshpal for analysis or both. Could someone please let me know whether we do upaifor both or just varshpal or just natal chart?If ketu and moon are both in the lagna and aspectingsun and mercury in 7th house, does sun become exaultedbecause of the position of ketu regardless of the factthat 7th house in general is not benefic for sun?I am a bit confused about 10th house, it is known asthe house of profession, but there are many planetswhich if placed there are malefic, such as Sun. Sothen if this is the house of profession sun willautomatically be malefic how would it be possible tomake it benefic or can the best we do is neutralizeit's bad effect by doing upais?By doing upais do we end up moving certain planets toother houses, for example, some upais say to throwthings in running water but lal kitab says thatthrowing items of a planet in running water moves thatplanet to the forth house is this what is happeningand if this is the case wouldn't moving that planet tothe 4th house impact other planets and require furtheranalysis of the houses being impacted by this change(ie. 10th house is aspected, etc.).I would appreciate any help that can be offered to me.I would like to say that this chat group is fantasticand I have learned so much from everyone!Thank you for all your help,M. Walia _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hello Rui, For Capricorn and Gemini besides the general significator, Sun, other weak and/or afflicted planets and the close afflictions to MEP of various hourses may cause health problems. Best wishes, - " rupamede " <rupamede Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:26 AM clarification > Dear Professor, > Just a quick clarification. > For non-MT signs like Capricorn, Taurus, Gemini, etc, there is no > lagnesh/chart ruler? > I get a bit confused because for those Ascendants karaka for health is > the Sun, correct? So is there no planet that signifies the 1st house > other than the Sun for those non-MT signs under the SA? > I know that for Taurus and Scorpio 6th house ruler Venus and Mars > respectivelly is significator for health and beacause they do rule the > MT sign they will not harm their MT signs, so they will protect that > particular house, however the same cannot be said for Capricorn or > Gemini... > Thanks, Rui. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hello dear Mr. Chuck, I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes, - " wakefieldvedic " <radiopro55 Friday, November 03, 2006 7:52 PM Clarification > Dear Professor. In the revised edition of your Systems' Approach, you > state that if not in its own MT sign, any planet becomes afflicted > merely by placement in a dusthana house. RIGHT. It was my understanding that > a planet in a malefic house was weak by bad placement. If there are no > afflictions to a planet in a malefic house from an FM, how does it > take on this additional dimension weak AND afflicted? IT IS AFFLICTED BY THE NEGATIVE SIGNIFICATIONS OF THE HOUSE. FOR EXAMPLE NOT ONLY A PLANET IN THE SIXTH HOUSE BECOMES WEAK BUT IT IS VULNERABLE TO INVOLVE THE PERSON IN CONFLICTS AND CAN CAUSE HEALTH PROBLEMS. > On a separate note, what house or planet would be a significator for > one's neighbours. Problems with neighbours seems to be a grwoing > concern in our crowded urban environments. How can this be identified? 2ND AND THIRD HOUSES CONTAINING MT SIGNS CAN BE CONSIDERED FORNEIGHBOURS. > With my best wishes, Chuck > THANKS AND WELCOME. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Dear Professor. Thanks for your prompt reply. Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 > >Dear Professor. I am once again writing you for clarification on the SA principle of bad placement and how a planet becomes " weak " and " afflicted " . On page 292 of your revised Systems' Approach book, in Frequently Asked Questions, there appears to be made a real distinction between affliction and weakness. The first question states " ...even though " affliction and weakness " are considered to be two different things. " The second question poses a situation where " ..a functional benefic planet is badly placed and ununafflicted... " . The third question poses a situation where " ...a functional benefic planet is badly placed and afflicted... " . I have reread the passages at the beginning of the book in " Concepts and Predictive Techniques " and the section sited above in Frequently Asked Questions and obviously a planet cannot be " badly placed and unafflicted " and " badly placed and afflicted " at the same time. I appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter. I am just wondering if there has been an evolution in your thinking about planets placed in dusthana houses since the earlier editions of your Systems Approach books and this latest version indicates a change in earlier SA theory. And if I have misunderstood my reading of the passages, I apologize in advance. With my best wishes, Chuck > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hello dear Mr. Chuck, Sometimes the reference of the questions answered can be different. In a recent question on the list this point was clarified. There are two types of afflictions. One is the placement affliction and the other is an additional affliction by another functional malefic planet to this badly placed planet. The placement affliction makes the planet vulnerable to problems signified by the house of placement. For example, the placement in the sixth house makes it vulnerable to conficts and health problems due to its placement weakness even if this planet is not afflicted by another functional malefic planet. Best wishes, - " wakefieldvedic " <radiopro55 Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:48 PM Re: Clarification >> >Dear Professor. I am once again writing you for clarification on > the SA principle of bad placement and how a planet becomes " weak " > and " afflicted " . On page 292 of your revised Systems' Approach book, > in Frequently Asked Questions, there appears to be made a real > distinction between affliction and weakness. The first question > states " ...even though " affliction and weakness " are considered to be > two different things. " The second question poses a situation > where " ..a functional benefic planet is badly placed and > ununafflicted... " . The third question poses a situation where " ...a > functional benefic planet is badly placed and afflicted... " . I have > reread the passages at the beginning of the book in " Concepts and > Predictive Techniques " and the section sited above in Frequently Asked > Questions and obviously a planet cannot be " badly placed and > unafflicted " and " badly placed and afflicted " at the same time. I > appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter. I am just > wondering if there has been an evolution in your thinking about > planets placed in dusthana houses since the earlier editions of your > Systems Approach books and this latest version indicates a change in > earlier SA theory. And if I have misunderstood my reading of the > passages, I apologize in advance. With my best wishes, Chuck >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 --Dear Professor. Thank you for your reply and clarification. I understand the distinction. Based on your discussion of a planet's weakness (by descending order of weakness)in " Concepts " , I am correct in assuming that placement affliction is not as severe as exact affliction of a planet from an FM? Thanks again, Chuck - In , <siha wrote: > > Hello dear Mr. Chuck, > > Sometimes the reference of the questions answered can be different. > > In a recent question on the list this point was clarified. > > There are two types of afflictions. One is the placement affliction and the > other is an additional affliction by another functional malefic planet to > this badly placed planet. > > The placement affliction makes the planet vulnerable to problems signified > by the house of placement. For example, the placement in the sixth house > makes it vulnerable to conficts and health problems due to its placement > weakness even if this planet is not afflicted by another functional malefic > planet. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " wakefieldvedic " <radiopro55 > > Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:48 PM > Re: Clarification > > > >> >Dear Professor. I am once again writing you for clarification on > > the SA principle of bad placement and how a planet becomes " weak " > > and " afflicted " . On page 292 of your revised Systems' Approach book, > > in Frequently Asked Questions, there appears to be made a real > > distinction between affliction and weakness. The first question > > states " ...even though " affliction and weakness " are considered to be > > two different things. " The second question poses a situation > > where " ..a functional benefic planet is badly placed and > > ununafflicted... " . The third question poses a situation where " ...a > > functional benefic planet is badly placed and afflicted... " . I have > > reread the passages at the beginning of the book in " Concepts and > > Predictive Techniques " and the section sited above in Frequently Asked > > Questions and obviously a planet cannot be " badly placed and > > unafflicted " and " badly placed and afflicted " at the same time. I > > appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter. I am just > > wondering if there has been an evolution in your thinking about > > planets placed in dusthana houses since the earlier editions of your > > Systems Approach books and this latest version indicates a change in > > earlier SA theory. And if I have misunderstood my reading of the > > passages, I apologize in advance. With my best wishes, Chuck > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Dear Chuck, The confusion stems from incomplete understanding of the word itself - it can take the form of an adjective or a verb. As an adjective, it means, 'grevously affected (by suffering)' - FB Ju sits in H8 and is thus afflicted As a transitive verb, it means 'inflicts grevous suffering on' - MMP Me afflicts the Sun In the SA litereature, we have become used to the verb form and are rarely exposed to the adjective use in other circles. Usually non-native speakers of English know the nuts and bolts of the language better than we do. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " wakefieldvedic " <radiopro55 Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:37 PM Re: Clarification > , <siha wrote: >> >> Hello dear Mr. Chuck, >> >> Sometimes the reference of the questions answered can be different. >> >> In a recent question on the list this point was clarified. >> >> There are two types of afflictions. One is the placement > affliction and the >> other is an additional affliction by another functional malefic > planet to >> this badly placed planet. >> >> The placement affliction makes the planet vulnerable to problems > signified >> by the house of placement. For example, the placement in the sixth > house >> makes it vulnerable to conficts and health problems due to its > placement >> weakness even if this planet is not afflicted by another > functional malefic >> planet. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> " wakefieldvedic " <radiopro55 >> >> Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:48 PM >> Re: Clarification >> >> >> >> >Dear Professor. I am once again writing you for clarification > on >> > the SA principle of bad placement and how a planet becomes " weak " >> > and " afflicted " . On page 292 of your revised Systems' Approach > book, >> > in Frequently Asked Questions, there appears to be made a real >> > distinction between affliction and weakness. The first question >> > states " ...even though " affliction and weakness " are considered > to be >> > two different things. " The second question poses a situation >> > where " ..a functional benefic planet is badly placed and >> > ununafflicted... " . The third question poses a situation > where " ...a >> > functional benefic planet is badly placed and afflicted... " . I > have >> > reread the passages at the beginning of the book in " Concepts and >> > Predictive Techniques " and the section sited above in Frequently > Asked >> > Questions and obviously a planet cannot be " badly placed and >> > unafflicted " and " badly placed and afflicted " at the same time. I >> > appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter. I am > just >> > wondering if there has been an evolution in your thinking about >> > planets placed in dusthana houses since the earlier editions of > your >> > Systems Approach books and this latest version indicates a > change in >> > earlier SA theory. And if I have misunderstood my reading of the >> > passages, I apologize in advance. With my best wishes, Chuck >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hello Rakesh, The spouse means the wife/husband of the native/person whose horoscope is under consideration. Best wishes. - " shukla_rakesh " <shukla_rakesh Monday, March 26, 2007 10:16 AM clarification | Dear & Respected Professor ji, | | you have mentioned " spouse may be ill tempered... " in your book as | well as in the website under the article " Planetary configurations | evidencing marital discord " . | | The spouse meant for the wife/husband of the native/person whose | horoscope is under consideration or the native itself. | | Please clear my doubts. | | Thanks in advance. | | Regds | | Rakesh | | | | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Dear Sir, Thanks & regards Rakesh siha wrote: Hello Rakesh, The spouse means the wife/husband of the native/person whose horoscope is under consideration. Best wishes. - " shukla_rakesh " <shukla_rakesh Monday, March 26, 2007 10:16 AM clarification | Dear & Respected Professor ji, | | you have mentioned " spouse may be ill tempered... " in your book as | well as in the website under the article " Planetary configurations | evidencing marital discord " . | | The spouse meant for the wife/husband of the native/person whose | horoscope is under consideration or the native itself. | | Please clear my doubts. | | Thanks in advance. | | Regds | | Rakesh | | | | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Respected Singh saheb, Sure, you can ask your question even if it is not related to the grammar of the Lal Kitab. Posting Lal Kitab grammar write ups in the group does not mean that we have stopped taking up other Lal Kitab concerns. Please go ahead with your query. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Sir, > > Can I seek clarification on a point which is not related to grammar of > the book? Or we can ask only those questions which are related to > grammar. > > respectfully, > > RP Singh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Sir, Recently one of my friends with mercury placed in the 3rd house has been advised by a well known Lal Kitab scholar from Delhi that he should put on the south wall a copper sun emblem. Sir, is it a Lal Kitab upaya or a vastu upaya ? Respectfully, RP Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Singh saheb, > > Sure, you can ask your question even if it is not related to the > grammar of the Lal Kitab. > > Posting Lal Kitab grammar write ups in the group does not mean that > we have stopped taking up other Lal Kitab concerns. > > Please go ahead with your query. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " rpsingh2710 " > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Can I seek clarification on a point which is not related to > grammar of > > the book? Or we can ask only those questions which are related to > > grammar. > > > > respectfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Respected Singh Saheb, The upaya suggested by the Lal Kitab scholar is a genuine Lal Kitab upaya. Mercury placed in the 3rd house is considered as very bad because it not only affects the 3rd house, it also affects the 9th and the 11th through aspect. The effect of the mercury in the 3rd spills over to the 4th and 5th also. The book says : 9 marte hon, 11 ujade, char, panch, teen garakta ho. The Lal Kitab suggests quite a few upaya for the mercury in the 3rd. One of them is makan ki dakshin deewar par lal [ surya ] vastu mubarik hogi. This upaya is suggested because budh gina jo teeje manda, ravi se darata hai. Thus placing a sun symbol on the south wall means establishing the sun in the 3rd house. This upaya is mentioned in the 1942 edition. Therefore the suggestion of placing a sun symbol of copper on the south wall sounds very logical for the mercury in the 3rd house. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Sir, > > Recently one of my friends with mercury placed in the 3rd house has > been advised by a well known Lal Kitab scholar from Delhi that he > should put on the south wall a copper sun emblem. Sir, is it a Lal > Kitab upaya or a vastu upaya ? > > Respectfully, > > RP Singh > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Singh saheb, > > > > Sure, you can ask your question even if it is not related to the > > grammar of the Lal Kitab. > > > > Posting Lal Kitab grammar write ups in the group does not mean > that > > we have stopped taking up other Lal Kitab concerns. > > > > Please go ahead with your query. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Can I seek clarification on a point which is not related to > > grammar of > > > the book? Or we can ask only those questions which are related > to > > > grammar. > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Sir Varun ji, Sorry for the delay. I was away for a few days. Thank you so much for clarifying the logic of the Sun sign on the south wall. With respect, RP Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Singh Saheb, > > The upaya suggested by the Lal Kitab scholar is a genuine Lal Kitab > upaya. > > Mercury placed in the 3rd house is considered as very bad because it > not only affects the 3rd house, it also affects the 9th and the 11th > through aspect. The effect of the mercury in the 3rd spills over to > the 4th and 5th also. The book says : 9 marte hon, 11 ujade, char, > panch, teen garakta ho. > > The Lal Kitab suggests quite a few upaya for the mercury in the 3rd. > One of them is makan ki dakshin deewar par lal [ surya ] vastu > mubarik hogi. This upaya is suggested because budh gina jo teeje > manda, ravi se darata hai. Thus placing a sun symbol on the south > wall means establishing the sun in the 3rd house. > > This upaya is mentioned in the 1942 edition. > > Therefore the suggestion of placing a sun symbol of copper on the > south wall sounds very logical for the mercury in the 3rd house. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Recently one of my friends with mercury placed in the 3rd house > has > > been advised by a well known Lal Kitab scholar from Delhi that he > > should put on the south wall a copper sun emblem. Sir, is it a Lal > > Kitab upaya or a vastu upaya ? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Singh saheb, > > > > > > Sure, you can ask your question even if it is not related to the > > > grammar of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > Posting Lal Kitab grammar write ups in the group does not mean > > that > > > we have stopped taking up other Lal Kitab concerns. > > > > > > Please go ahead with your query. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Can I seek clarification on a point which is not related to > > > grammar of > > > > the book? Or we can ask only those questions which are related > > to > > > > grammar. > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear all, I have just received a mail from a member who has forwarded it to me after deleting the senders name - accusing me of coping some other members mail in another forum and passing it here as my own. This is with reference to the remedies of Mars Dosha. Let me make it clear to the Group - 1) Even a small new born idiot knows that the mantras and remedies are not created by me, so how can I pass them as my own , the person who has accused me must have the sense to understand this in the first case. 2) Bhaskaran does not do copy paste of others materials from other forums and passesas his own. I am born of a single man and unlike these accusers who are saying that its their own creation. A Lion does not have to eat others left over share. 3) These remedies are apparently and obviously from Lal Kitab over which no human in this century has any authority ? Anybody has access to these books in the market and will find the same remedies there. Anybody to challenge me here on this ? 4) I request the gentlemen who has forwarded this mail to me, toa to please let me know who has sent him a mail accusing me, I do not like such accusations, not accustomed to these, and will not tolerate them. 5) I would also like to ask that member, where I have I written that these remedies are my own ? 6) On the contrary I would like to know how can any person like that accuser has, claim to call these as their own ? 7) Why does he not have the guts to ask me clearly on face instead of sending mails here and there ? Best wishes, Bhaskaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear all, These people cannot create anything, but will ready to push their dirty fingers everywhere to destroy some one elses creations and good work of service. I m dignified enough to quote if I do copy paste from anywhere, and am on the contrary very open to my mebers in sharing links and websites, as you all may notice on the Files, and Links section. How many Groups do you know, who have mentioned about other groups and forums in their Links and Files sections ? I neither like such accusations and not going to falll a easy prey to these. Unfortunately neither has the sender of that mail written straight to me, which reveals his own fears, and neither has the member who has forwardedm this mail, card to mention his name. What must I surmise from this ? regards, Bhaskaran. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > I have just received a mail from a member who has forwarded it to me> after deleting the senders name - accusing me of coping some other> members mail in another forum and passing it here as my own. This is> with reference to the remedies of Mars Dosha.> > Let me make it clear to the Group -> > 1) Even a small new born idiot knows that the mantras and remedies are> not created by me, so how can I pass them as my own , the person who has> accused me must have the sense to understand this in the first case.> > 2) Bhaskaran does not do copy paste of others materials from other> forums and passesas his own. I am born of a single man and unlike these> accusers who are saying that its their own creation. A Lion does not> have to eat others left over share.> > 3) These remedies are apparently and obviously from Lal Kitab over which> no human in this century has any authority ? Anybody has access to these> books in the market and will find the same remedies there. Anybody to> challenge me here on this ?> > 4) I request the gentlemen who has forwarded this mail to me, toa to> please let me know who has sent him a mail accusing me, I do not like> such accusations, not accustomed to these, and will not tolerate them.> > 5) I would also like to ask that member, where I have I written that> these remedies are my own ?> > 6) On the contrary I would like to know how can any person like that> accuser has, claim to call these as their own ?> > 7) Why does he not have the guts to ask me clearly on face instead of> sending mails here and there ?> > Best wishes,> > Bhaskaran.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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