The Complete Story of Hanuman-Part 1

December 16, 2008

Dear Kaushik ji,

Please also let me know the source of this article.

Because as far as I know Brahma , Vishnu and Mahesh form a part of the same Trinity, but Rama is the incarnation of Vishnu and not Shiva. I need to clear this before we move further on.

Shiva worships Rama, and Ram worships Shiva as we all know about the Rameshwaram Jyotirlinga since the time of Lord Rama embarking on the trip to Lanka to vanquish Ravana. And also mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Kaushik ji,> > Interesting. I will reserve my comments for the later.> > In the meanwhile can you just confirm, whether as per this article of> yours, Rama is the form taken by Shiva ?> > Do You mean Rama is not the form of Vishnu ?> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , "kaushik_buddy"> kaushik_buddy@ wrote:> >> >> > Jai Sri Ram> >> >> >> > Chapter 1: The Time of Ramayana> >> >> >> > It was During the time of Treta Yug, nearly TEN LAKH YEARS ago, When> the> > Lord of Dharma was ruling the planet according to Yuga Dharma.There> > existed four Races namely Deva's(God's)> ,Sura's(Human's),Vanara's(Short> > statured human's) and Asura's(Evil human's ).> >> >> >> > Deva's(God's)King ruled a kingdom which was to the Northern Side of> > Himalaya Parvata> >> > (Even now it is believed that there exists a secret way to> Devendrapuram> > ie;kingdom of devendra from himalaya's).> >> >> >> > Under the fertile lands of Ganga, Yamuna and under five rivers( Pancha> > nadi)[ Now called as Sindh], existed Aryan kings who used to rule.> >> >> >> > To the south existed the Vanara Kingdom and Asura kingdom which were> > ruled by Vanara's and Asura's.> >> >> >> > Peace was prevailing over all the four mentioned Land's. Aryan's ruled> > according to Vedic tradition, Devas rules acordingly to guide nature,> > Vanara's ruled according to Vanara law and Asura's ruled according to> > Rakshasa Law and no one interferred with any race and peace prevailed> > every where.> >> >> >> > Please Note: a) Asura's doesn't mean non humans. Asura's are> > people, who were much learnt and were also good minded like Aryan's> but> > these people did not believe in Veda's.> >> > b) Vanara's don't mean Ape-men. [Va-> > small, Nara - human]. These are the people who were short stature;> > indeed they were the predecessors of Aryan's. It was the last phase> > of the race, which was about to get extinct during the time of Sri> Rama> > (Like we now speak about Dinosaurs]. We shall discuss about> > Vanara's later.> >> >> >> > A Sudden Change in the world> >> >> >> > Hundreds of years passed away peacefully and suddenly some of the> Kings> > from Aryan Race became arrogant and Shunned the practice of Dharma and> > started behaving like evil doers. All of a sudden there was choas in> > entire world.> >> >> >> > Though Parasu Rama was trying to re-establish the Dharma, there was a> > sudden change all together even in the mindset of Rakshasa's and> > Vanara's. It was the time to prove who were the most dominant species.> > (We can relate this to the theory of Charles Darwin)> >> >> >> > Rakshasa's wanted to prove that their ways of living and thinking were> > superior to other's and with this assumption they wanted to forcefully> > convert all the creatures to their ways of living.> >> >> >> > Some of the Rakshasa's were very firm in their belief about their ways> > of non-Vedic living, that they even decided to change the way's in> which> > Dharma was enforced on Humans by even thinking to conquer the very> > administrator of Dharma ( Devendra).> >> > For this to happen Rakshasa's used to conduct series of attacks on> > Aryan's and on Deva's and some Asura's decided to worship the Great> > Divine light (Paramatma) to get strength to rule over all the world.> >> >> >> > Among such Rakshasa Asura's existed one person who came from the> > race of Lord Bramha, Who was well versed with in all the four> > Veda's, A great poet who composed many works, a fiery Soldier whose> > valor was unmatched, a great Astrologer who knew how to control> planets> > and keep them under his feet, a great Scientist who knew the how to> use> > nature's law, a great Doctor who knew the secrets to live a long> > life –Ravana Bramha [Meaning the one who comes directly from the> > race of Lord Bramha]> >> >> >> > Simple Descrpition about the Race of Ravana:> >> > Ravana is grand son of pulastya.> >> > Pulastya was one of the mind-born sons of Brahma> > </wiki/Brahma> . Pulastya had a son named> > Visravas </wiki/Visravas> . Visravas> > </wiki/Visravas> had two wives and the first> > wife begot Kubera (the lord of wealth) and the second wife begot> Ravana,> > Kumbhakarna and Vibheeshana.> >> >> >> > Ravana Conducts Penance> >> >> >> > Ravana undertakes a terrible penance, lasting over 1,000 years to> please> > Lord Shiva. When Shiva does not appear before him, Ravana begins to> cut> > off his ten heads one by one - cutting one head off and meditating> again> > for a thousand years, then cutting another. When he is about to cut> off> > his last and base head, Shiva appears. He grants Ravana's request for> > immeasurable strength, complete knowledge of weapons and also ever> > lasting faith in Lord Shiva.> >> >> >> > Ravana then undertakes another penance for 10,000 years, endeavoring> to> > please Lord Brahma. Brahma tells Ravana that he cannot grant him the> > immortality he desires, for none of the created are immortal. But> Ravana> > obtains invulnerability against Devas (divinities), Asuras (enemies of> > the Devas), Rakshasas (demons), Gandharvas (celestial musicians),> > Yakshas (demigods), and other celestial and magical beings.> >> >> >> > Ravana Returns back and starts his Atrocities thinking that there is> no> > one who can defeat him. He becomes successful to bring the "Sanatana> > Dhrama" to the brink of its Destruction.> >> >> >> > A Mystic Mantra comes out from the mouth of Lord Shiva> >> >> >> > All Gods and divinities were getting troubled from ravana. They> > approached Lord Shiva and begged him to save them from the evil works> of> > Ravana.> >> > Lord Shiva says to God's and Sages that he cannot help in the> > destruction of Ravana as Ravana is the in the list of his greatest> > Devotee's.> >> >> >> > Lord Shiva meditates for the solution for some time and says to> > Devatha's and Sages that Ravana worshipped the TEN FORMS of Shiva> > but forgot to worship the ELEVENTH FORM.> >> >> >> > Devatha's ask for more explanation about the 11th form of Lord> > Shiva.> >> > No sooner Lord shiva started to think of the 11th form to explain it> to> > Devatha's- the Devtha's and Sages saw a strange chemistry> > happening in Lord Shiva.> >> >> >> > A powerful whirlpool started to move from the Muladhara Chakra (Base> of> > the spine) of Lord Shiva and at the same instant a great light was> > visible in the sahasra (top of the Head) of lord Shiva, entire body of> > Shiva shivered with Love and Devotion.> >> >> >> > And thus came the purest of the pure word "Raaam" from the mouth> > of Lord Shiva unknowingly.> >> >> >> > Before Shiva could answer to Devatha's about the greatness of his> > 11th form, he fell into a deep trance, which lasted for hundreds of> > years and entire Kailash started to vibrate with "Rama" word.> >> >> >> > Tears of Joy started flowing from the eyes of Lord Shiva and few of> them> > turned to trees. (11 mukhi Rudraksh).> >> >> >> > Mata Parvati tired to approach Shiva, but some thing stopped her from> > touching her Husband. She felt the waves of celibacy emanating from> each> > and every pore> >> > of Lord Shiva!> >> > Parvati By Her yogic power understood that Lord Shiva got> > Connectedhimself with the 11th Form he is about to take, and also> wanted> > to know what was the greatness of this form that he lost even himself> > thinking about that Form.> >> > Parvathi had to wait for Hundreds of years to know that!> >> >> >> >> >> > Please note: a) Lord Shiva soo was mesmerized with the feeling he had> > and uttered the word –"Raam" to explain to Devatha's about> > what was going inside him and the explanation for this is that> Muldahara> > Chakra vibrates with word "Ra" and sahasra with word> > "ma" which makes "RaMa".> >> >> >> > b) It is often said that for any one to chant a> > mantra it has to be first charged with the blessings of Guru. As we> can> > see the word "RaMa" has already become charged with divinity as> > this word came out not from Lord Shiva's mouth but from his> > Chakra's.> >> >> >> > It is for this reason the word "Raam" or "RaMa" can be> > chanted by any one-irrespective of gender ,caste, creed ..Etc as it> came> > out in a yogic trance and "Yoga" itself is the guru for it.> >> >> >> >> >> > Birth Of Ramayan> >> >> >> > After years of Trance Lord Shiva comes to Physical sphere of mind and> > finds out that his wife -Parvati wants to know something. She wanted> to> > know why Lord Shiva the guru of Yoga lost his conciousness , and what> > made him to roll down tears and what was "Raam"?> >> >> >> > Lord Shiva explains to parvathi every thing about the new form he is> > about to take and the greatness of that form.[we shall discuss it> soon]> >> >> >> > When parvathi asks Lord Shiva why he lost his conciousness, to which> > Lord shiva answers that no sooner he thought about the 11th form his> > entire body got ignited with fire due to the rigid ritualistic life> his> > 11th form is about to take and His Shakthi(Power)grew uncontrollable> > when he thought upon the Yogic Heights his next form is about to> attain,> > Tears of joy rolled down his eyes because of the devotion his future> > form has on Lord Ram.> >> >> >> > Lord Bramha also comes to understand the story and the importance of> > what shiva spoke and so did Vishnu [it is said that Trimurthi always> are> > in communion with each other]> >> >> >> > And thus starts the Story of Hanuman and Lord Ram from the mouth of> > Pashupati himself making Bramha,Vishnu and Paravathi as the first> > listeners.> >> > Later it was passed on to Sage Narada, Who passed it on to Valmiki.> >> >> >> > Sage Agastya Desires to Bring up a Warrior who can devout all his life> > to protection of Dharma> >> >> >> > Agastya Maharashi got fed up after seeing the Atrocities which were to> > happening to Sages from time to time(Since the beginning of Creation)> in> > the name of Asura's. Maharashi comes to a conclusion that a> > permanent solution has to be established to this problem. He desires> to> > develop a warrior who is good in all the wisdom,who is good in every> > Art,Whose strength can match none and who will even sacrifice Marital> > Happiness for the sake of his Work.> >> >> >> > He decides to go meditate on this problem in loneliness in> > Dandakaranya(A forest in Southern India) which is a forest in Vanara> > Land.> >> >> >> > Sage Agastya chooses a man named Pavan[who in future gets known as> > Kesari] as his disciple. He gives him Training in all the arts and> > showers him highest knowledge.> >> > He also makes him to take an oath of "Ever lasting Brahma charya> > deeksha" and appoints him as the king of RatnaPuram and advices him> > to rule his Vanara's kingdom according to laws of Vedas.> >> > Kesari obeys his guru order and goes away to his kingdom and continues> > his ruling.One day Kesari sees a lady and falls in love with her.His> > love for her makes him so mesmerized that he even forgets about his> > bramha charya deeksha and asks the Lady to marry him.The Lady is> > Daugther is the King of Mahendrapuram and her name is ANJANA.> >> >> >> > Anjana readily accepts the proposal and Kesari returns home.He> remembers> > his promise to his guru Agastya and feels that he has betrayed his> > guru.Immediately he rushes to his Guru and apologizes for his act.> >> > Sage Agastya who was a great devotee of Shiva knew that this was all> > happening with the will of supreme.> >> >> >> > Agastya Blesses Pavana [ in future to be called Kesari] and conducts> the> > marriage of Pavan and Anjana.> >> >> >> > Agastya advices Pavana and Anjana that they have to follow> Brahmacharya> > for 12 years after marriage. He also advices that Anjana should lead> an> > Ascetic life for 12 years and should be away from Pavana .> >> > Anjana and Pavana get surprised to the Agastya's advice to the newly> > wed couple. Agastya then reveals to them that a son will be born to> them> > who would rule Dharma till the end of World protecting the good and> > punishing the evil. But for that to happen this couple has to forgo> > material wants and should pray Lord shiva as It is not be possible for> > Anjana to even bear that son in her womb and for that she needs to> > develop yogic fire in her body.> >> > Anjana consoles her husband and leaves for forest with Agastya.> >> > She enters into deep penace in Dandakaranya for 12 years.> >> >> >> > Pls note:When we say Pavana tanaya – It also means son of KESARI> > other than Son of Vayu> >> >> >> >> > TO BE CONTINUED> >>

December 16, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Why was Shiva Take the Name of Lord Ram because there was an eternal Pormise which was to be fulfilled.

Gajamukhasura did great penance toward Lord Shiva. When he came before, he requested Lord Shiva to live in his belly. When Lord Shiva did not return, Goddess Parvathi sought the help of Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu dressed himself as a flutist and took along with him Nandi, the steed of Lord Shiva, Nandi was made to dance funny dances, in front of Gajamukhasura to the soulful music provided by Lord Vishnu (This type of bull dancing to the tune of music is still prevalent in South India). Gajamukhasura was pleased and gave a boon to Lord Vishnu, without knowing him who he is. Lord Vishnu requested him to release Lord Shiva. When Lord Shiva came out of his belly the asura died.

It was then Lord Shiva Promised Lord vishnu that he will Serve Lord Visnu in one of future Forms and will help Vishnu the same way he did for him now.

From Shiva Puranam

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December 16, 2008

Dear Kaushik ji,

These below mentioned lines in your article made me write asking you to confirm whether as per you, Rama is the form of Shiva or Vishnu.

Parvati By Her yogic power understood that Lord Shiva got> > Connectedhimself with the 11th Form he is about to take, and also> wanted> > to know what was the greatness of this form that he lost even himself> > thinking about that Form.

Lord Shiva explains to parvathi every thing about the new form he is> > about to take and the greatness of that form

regards,

Bhaskar.

, kaushik <kaushik_buddy wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar sir,> Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I havnt mentioned any where that shiva would take the form of Lord ram.But yes shiva was the first to take the name of Lord Ram.It is said that all deva's and Purusha's first took birth before Rama to serve himÂ andÂ to help him in his future mission and it first started with Lord Shiva> > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: The Complete Story of Hanuman-Part 1> > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Kaushik ji,> Please also let me know the source of this article.> Because as far as I know Brahma , Vishnu and Mahesh form a part of the same Trinity, but Rama is the incarnation of Vishnu and not Shiva. I need to clear this before we move further on.> Shiva worships Rama, and Ram worships Shiva as we all know about the Rameshwaram Jyotirlinga since the time of Lord Rama embarking on the trip to Lanka to vanquish Ravana. And also mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana.> best wishes,> Bhaskar. > Â > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Kaushik ji,> > > > Interesting. I will reserve my comments for the later.> > > > In the meanwhile can you just confirm, whether as per this article of> > yours, Rama is the form taken by Shiva ?> > > > Do You mean Rama is not the form of Vishnu ?> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kaushik_buddy"> > kaushik_buddy@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Jai Sri Ram> > >> > >> > >> > > Chapter 1: The Time of Ramayana> > >> > >> > >> > > It was During the time of Treta Yug, nearly TEN LAKH YEARS ago, When> > the> > > Lord of Dharma was ruling the planet according to Yuga Dharma.There> > > existed four Races namely Deva's(God's)> > ,Sura's(Human' s),Vanara' s(Short> > > statured human's) and Asura's(Evil human's ).> > >> > >> > >> > > Deva's(God's) King ruled a kingdom which was to the Northern Side of> > > Himalaya Parvata> > >> > > (Even now it is believed that there exists a secret way to> > Devendrapuram> > > ie;kingdom of devendra from himalaya's).> > >> > >> > >> > > Under the fertile lands of Ganga, Yamuna and under five rivers( Pancha> > > nadi)[ Now called as Sindh], existed Aryan kings who used to rule.> > >> > >> > >> > > To the south existed the Vanara Kingdom and Asura kingdom which were> > > ruled by Vanara's and Asura's.> > >> > >> > >> > > Peace was prevailing over all the four mentioned Land's. Aryan's ruled> > > according to Vedic tradition, Devas rules acordingly to guide nature,> > > Vanara's ruled according to Vanara law and Asura's ruled according to> > > Rakshasa Law and no one interferred with any race and peace prevailed> > > every where.> > >> > >> > >> > > Please Note: a) Asura's doesn't mean non humans. Asura's are> > > people, who were much learnt and were also good minded like Aryan's> > but> > > these people did not believe in Veda's.> > >> > > b) Vanara's don't mean Ape-men. [Va-> > > small, Nara - human]. These are the people who were short stature;> > > indeed they were the predecessors of Aryan's. It was the last phase> > > of the race, which was about to get extinct during the time of Sri> > Rama> > > (Like we now speak about Dinosaurs]. We shall discuss about> > > Vanara's later.> > >> > >> > >> > > A Sudden Change in the world> > >> > >> > >> > > Hundreds of years passed away peacefully and suddenly some of the> > Kings> > > from Aryan Race became arrogant and Shunned the practice of Dharma and> > > started behaving like evil doers. All of a sudden there was choas in> > > entire world.> > >> > >> > >> > > Though Parasu Rama was trying to re-establish the Dharma, there was a> > > sudden change all together even in the mindset of Rakshasa's and> > > Vanara's. It was the time to prove who were the most dominant species.> > > (We can relate this to the theory of Charles Darwin)> > >> > >> > >> > > Rakshasa's wanted to prove that their ways of living and thinking were> > > superior to other's and with this assumption they wanted to forcefully> > > convert all the creatures to their ways of living.> > >> > >> > >> > > Some of the Rakshasa's were very firm in their belief about their ways> > > of non-Vedic living, that they even decided to change the way's in> > which> > > Dharma was enforced on Humans by even thinking to conquer the very> > > administrator of Dharma ( Devendra).> > >> > > For this to happen Rakshasa's used to conduct series of attacks on> > > Aryan's and on Deva's and some Asura's decided to worship the Great> > > Divine light (Paramatma) to get strength to rule over all the world.> > >> > >> > >> > > Among such Rakshasa Asura's existed one person who came from the> > > race of Lord Bramha, Who was well versed with in all the four> > > Veda's, A great poet who composed many works, a fiery Soldier whose> > > valor was unmatched, a great Astrologer who knew how to control> > planets> > > and keep them under his feet, a great Scientist who knew the how to> > use> > > nature's law, a great Doctor who knew the secrets to live a long> > > life â€"Ravana Bramha [Meaning the one who comes directly from the> > > race of Lord Bramha]> > >> > >> > >> > > Simple Descrpition about the Race of Ravana:> > >> > > Ravana is grand son of pulastya.> > >> > > Pulastya was one of the mind-born sons of Brahma> > > <http://groups. / wiki/Brahma> . Pulastya had a son named> > > Visravas <http://groups. / wiki/Visravas> . Visravas> > > <http://groups. / wiki/Visravas> had two wives and the first> > > wife begot Kubera (the lord of wealth) and the second wife begot> > Ravana,> > > Kumbhakarna and Vibheeshana.> > >> > >> > >> > > Ravana Conducts Penance> > >> > >> > >> > > Ravana undertakes a terrible penance, lasting over 1,000 years to> > please> > > Lord Shiva. When Shiva does not appear before him, Ravana begins to> > cut> > > off his ten heads one by one - cutting one head off and meditating> > again> > > for a thousand years, then cutting another. When he is about to cut> > off> > > his last and base head, Shiva appears. He grants Ravana's request for> > > immeasurable strength, complete knowledge of weapons and also ever> > > lasting faith in Lord Shiva.> > >> > >> > >> > > Ravana then undertakes another penance for 10,000 years, endeavoring> > to> > > please Lord Brahma. Brahma tells Ravana that he cannot grant him the> > > immortality he desires, for none of the created are immortal. But> > Ravana> > > obtains invulnerability against Devas (divinities) , Asuras (enemies of> > > the Devas), Rakshasas (demons), Gandharvas (celestial musicians),> > > Yakshas (demigods), and other celestial and magical beings.> > >> > >> > >> > > Ravana Returns back and starts his Atrocities thinking that there is> > no> > > one who can defeat him. He becomes successful to bring the "Sanatana> > > Dhrama" to the brink of its Destruction.> > >> > >> > >> > > A Mystic Mantra comes out from the mouth of Lord Shiva> > >> > >> > >> > > All Gods and divinities were getting troubled from ravana. They> > > approached Lord Shiva and begged him to save them from the evil works> > of> > > Ravana.> > >> > > Lord Shiva says to God's and Sages that he cannot help in the> > > destruction of Ravana as Ravana is the in the list of his greatest> > > Devotee's.> > >> > >> > >> > > Lord Shiva meditates for the solution for some time and says to> > > Devatha's and Sages that Ravana worshipped the TEN FORMS of Shiva> > > but forgot to worship the ELEVENTH FORM.> > >> > >> > >> > > Devatha's ask for more explanation about the 11th form of Lord> > > Shiva.> > >> > > No sooner Lord shiva started to think of the 11th form to explain it> > to> > > Devatha's- the Devtha's and Sages saw a strange chemistry> > > happening in Lord Shiva.> > >> > >> > >> > > A powerful whirlpool started to move from the Muladhara Chakra (Base> > of> > > the spine) of Lord Shiva and at the same instant a great light was> > > visible in the sahasra (top of the Head) of lord Shiva, entire body of> > > Shiva shivered with Love and Devotion.> > >> > >> > >> > > And thus came the purest of the pure word "Raaam" from the mouth> > > of Lord Shiva unknowingly.> > >> > >> > >> > > Before Shiva could answer to Devatha's about the greatness of his> > > 11th form, he fell into a deep trance, which lasted for hundreds of> > > years and entire Kailash started to vibrate with "Rama" word.> > >> > >> > >> > > Tears of Joy started flowing from the eyes of Lord Shiva and few of> > them> > > turned to trees. (11 mukhi Rudraksh).> > >> > >> > >> > > Mata Parvati tired to approach Shiva, but some thing stopped her from> > > touching her Husband. She felt the waves of celibacy emanating from> > each> > > and every pore> > >> > > of Lord Shiva!> > >> > > Parvati By Her yogic power understood that Lord Shiva got> > > Connectedhimself with the 11th Form he is about to take, and also> > wanted> > > to know what was the greatness of this form that he lost even himself> > > thinking about that Form.> > >> > > Parvathi had to wait for Hundreds of years to know that!> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Please note: a) Lord Shiva soo was mesmerized with the feeling he had> > > and uttered the word â€""Raam" to explain to Devatha's about> > > what was going inside him and the explanation for this is that> > Muldahara> > > Chakra vibrates with word "Ra" and sahasra with word> > > "ma" which makes "RaMa".> > >> > >> > >> > > b) It is often said that for any one to chant a> > > mantra it has to be first charged with the blessings of Guru. As we> > can> > > see the word "RaMa" has already become charged with divinity as> > > this word came out not from Lord Shiva's mouth but from his> > > Chakra's.> > >> > >> > >> > > It is for this reason the word "Raam" or "RaMa" can be> > > chanted by any one-irrespective of gender ,caste, creed ..Etc as it> > came> > > out in a yogic trance and "Yoga" itself is the guru for it.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Birth Of Ramayan> > >> > >> > >> > > After years of Trance Lord Shiva comes to Physical sphere of mind and> > > finds out that his wife -Parvati wants to know something. She wanted> > to> > > know why Lord Shiva the guru of Yoga lost his conciousness , and what> > > made him to roll down tears and what was "Raam"?> > >> > >> > >> > > Lord Shiva explains to parvathi every thing about the new form he is> > > about to take and the greatness of that form.[we shall discuss it> > soon]> > >> > >> > >> > > When parvathi asks Lord Shiva why he lost his conciousness, to which> > > Lord shiva answers that no sooner he thought about the 11th form his> > > entire body got ignited with fire due to the rigid ritualistic life> > his> > > 11th form is about to take and His Shakthi(Power) grew uncontrollable> > > when he thought upon the Yogic Heights his next form is about to> > attain,> > > Tears of joy rolled down his eyes because of the devotion his future> > > form has on Lord Ram.> > >> > >> > >> > > Lord Bramha also comes to understand the story and the importance of> > > what shiva spoke and so did Vishnu [it is said that Trimurthi always> > are> > > in communion with each other]> > >> > >> > >> > > And thus starts the Story of Hanuman and Lord Ram from the mouth of> > > Pashupati himself making Bramha,Vishnu and Paravathi as the first> > > listeners.> > >> > > Later it was passed on to Sage Narada, Who passed it on to Valmiki.> > >> > >> > >> > > Sage Agastya Desires to Bring up a Warrior who can devout all his life> > > to protection of Dharma> > >> > >> > >> > > Agastya Maharashi got fed up after seeing the Atrocities which were to> > > happening to Sages from time to time(Since the beginning of Creation)> > in> > > the name of Asura's. Maharashi comes to a conclusion that a> > > permanent solution has to be established to this problem. He desires> > to> > > develop a warrior who is good in all the wisdom,who is good in every> > > Art,Whose strength can match none and who will even sacrifice Marital> > > Happiness for the sake of his Work.> > >> > >> > >> > > He decides to go meditate on this problem in loneliness in> > > Dandakaranya( A forest in Southern India) which is a forest in Vanara> > > Land.> > >> > >> > >> > > Sage Agastya chooses a man named Pavan[who in future gets known as> > > Kesari] as his disciple. He gives him Training in all the arts and> > > showers him highest knowledge.> > >> > > He also makes him to take an oath of "Ever lasting Brahma charya> > > deeksha" and appoints him as the king of RatnaPuram and advices him> > > to rule his Vanara's kingdom according to laws of Vedas.> > >> > > Kesari obeys his guru order and goes away to his kingdom and continues> > > his ruling.One day Kesari sees a lady and falls in love with her.His> > > love for her makes him so mesmerized that he even forgets about his> > > bramha charya deeksha and asks the Lady to marry him.The Lady is> > > Daugther is the King of Mahendrapuram and her name is ANJANA.> > >> > >> > >> > > Anjana readily accepts the proposal and Kesari returns home.He> > remembers> > > his promise to his guru Agastya and feels that he has betrayed his> > > guru.Immediately he rushes to his Guru and apologizes for his act.> > >> > > Sage Agastya who was a great devotee of Shiva knew that this was all> > > happening with the will of supreme.> > >> > >> > >> > > Agastya Blesses Pavana [ in future to be called Kesari] and conducts> > the> > > marriage of Pavan and Anjana.> > >> > >> > >> > > Agastya advices Pavana and Anjana that they have to follow> > Brahmacharya> > > for 12 years after marriage. He also advices that Anjana should lead> > an> > > Ascetic life for 12 years and should be away from Pavana .> > >> > > Anjana and Pavana get surprised to the Agastya's advice to the newly> > > wed couple. Agastya then reveals to them that a son will be born to> > them> > > who would rule Dharma till the end of World protecting the good and> > > punishing the evil. But for that to happen this couple has to forgo> > > material wants and should pray Lord shiva as It is not be possible for> > > Anjana to even bear that son in her womb and for that she needs to> > > develop yogic fire in her body.> > >> > > Anjana consoles her husband and leaves for forest with Agastya.> > >> > > She enters into deep penace in Dandakaranya for 12 years.> > >> > >> > >> > > Pls note:When we say Pavana tanaya â€" It also means son of KESARI> > > other than Son of Vayu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > TO BE CONTINUED> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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December 16, 2008

Bhaskar ji ,

The eleventh form of rudra IS HANUMAN.He is also called as " ekadasa

rudra "

December 16, 2008

Namaste Kaushik ji

Thanks – re-reading what you had written in your earlier

email “When parvathi asks Lord Shiva why

he lost his conciousness, to which Lord shiva answers that no sooner he thought

about the 11th form his entire body got ignited with fire due to the rigid

ritualistic life his 11th form is about to take and His Shakthi(Power)grew

uncontrollable when he thought upon the Yogic Heights his next form is about to

attain, Tears of joy rolled down his eyes because of the devotion his future

form has on Lord Ram.” I can now follow your inference to

Hanuman ji …..

Regarding Shiv ji praying to Shri Rama ji

and vice versa understandable as unlikely a Shri Vishnu avatar is going to

worship himself or Brahma ji who supposedly took birth

from Shri Vishnu’s navel?

Thanks and regards …….

Jai Sita Ram

Ram

On Behalf Of kaushik_buddy

16 December 2008 14:54

Re: The

Complete Story of Hanuman-Part 1

Bhaskar ji ,

The eleventh form of rudra IS HANUMAN.He is also called as " ekadasa

rudra "

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December 16, 2008

thanks RAM(wow one more Ram here to helkp me:) )

I think i shoud not explain things like the way it i sexplained in

scripture.May be thats the reason u had to Re -Read it.

U see thats how our scritures are they make u puzzled for some time! But

i promise i wont make my english so(atleast from next time)

December 17, 2008

Dear kuashik ji,

How can i thank you for the superb article on lord Hanuman and the horde of other information that you have provided on times relating to Birth of Sh Hanuman ji. Simply putting a laudable effort .Beyond doubt the topic is very well researched and backed by treatises & ancient vedic literature,kudos to you dear sir.

Regards

J.s.sandhu

On 12/16/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Kaushik ji,

Please also let me know the source of this article.

Because as far as I know Brahma , Vishnu and Mahesh form a part of the same Trinity, but Rama is the incarnation of Vishnu and not Shiva. I need to clear this before we move further on.

Shiva worships Rama, and Ram worships Shiva as we all know about the Rameshwaram Jyotirlinga since the time of Lord Rama embarking on the trip to Lanka to vanquish Ravana. And also mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>> > Dear Kaushik ji,> > Interesting. I will reserve my comments for the later.> > In the meanwhile can you just confirm, whether as per this article of> yours, Rama is the form taken by Shiva ?

> > Do You mean Rama is not the form of Vishnu ?> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , " kaushik_buddy "

> kaushik_buddy@ wrote:> >> >> > Jai Sri Ram> >> >> >> > Chapter 1: The Time of Ramayana> >> >> >> > It was During the time of Treta Yug, nearly TEN LAKH YEARS ago, When

> the> > Lord of Dharma was ruling the planet according to Yuga Dharma.There> > existed four Races namely Deva's(God's)> ,Sura's(Human's),Vanara's(Short> > statured human's) and Asura's(Evil human's ).

> >> >> >> > Deva's(God's)King ruled a kingdom which was to the Northern Side of> > Himalaya Parvata> >> > (Even now it is believed that there exists a secret way to

> Devendrapuram> > ie;kingdom of devendra from himalaya's).> >> >> >> > Under the fertile lands of Ganga, Yamuna and under five rivers( Pancha> > nadi)[ Now called as Sindh], existed Aryan kings who used to rule.

> >> >> >> > To the south existed the Vanara Kingdom and Asura kingdom which were> > ruled by Vanara's and Asura's.> >> >> >> > Peace was prevailing over all the four mentioned Land's. Aryan's ruled

> > according to Vedic tradition, Devas rules acordingly to guide nature,> > Vanara's ruled according to Vanara law and Asura's ruled according to> > Rakshasa Law and no one interferred with any race and peace prevailed

> > every where.> >> >> >> > Please Note: a) Asura's doesn't mean non humans. Asura's are> > people, who were much learnt and were also good minded like Aryan's

> but> > these people did not believe in Veda's.> >> > b) Vanara's don't mean Ape-men. [Va-> > small, Nara - human]. These are the people who were short stature;> > indeed they were the predecessors of Aryan's. It was the last phase

> > of the race, which was about to get extinct during the time of Sri> Rama> > (Like we now speak about Dinosaurs]. We shall discuss about> > Vanara's later.> >> >

> >> > A Sudden Change in the world> >> >> >> > Hundreds of years passed away peacefully and suddenly some of the> Kings> > from Aryan Race became arrogant and Shunned the practice of Dharma and

> > started behaving like evil doers. All of a sudden there was choas in> > entire world.> >> >> >> > Though Parasu Rama was trying to re-establish the Dharma, there was a

> > sudden change all together even in the mindset of Rakshasa's and> > Vanara's. It was the time to prove who were the most dominant species.> > (We can relate this to the theory of Charles Darwin)

> >> >> >> > Rakshasa's wanted to prove that their ways of living and thinking were> > superior to other's and with this assumption they wanted to forcefully> > convert all the creatures to their ways of living.

> >> >> >> > Some of the Rakshasa's were very firm in their belief about their ways> > of non-Vedic living, that they even decided to change the way's in> which

> > Dharma was enforced on Humans by even thinking to conquer the very> > administrator of Dharma ( Devendra).> >> > For this to happen Rakshasa's used to conduct series of attacks on

> > Aryan's and on Deva's and some Asura's decided to worship the Great> > Divine light (Paramatma) to get strength to rule over all the world.> >> >> >> > Among such Rakshasa Asura's existed one person who came from the

> > race of Lord Bramha, Who was well versed with in all the four> > Veda's, A great poet who composed many works, a fiery Soldier whose> > valor was unmatched, a great Astrologer who knew how to control

> planets> > and keep them under his feet, a great Scientist who knew the how to> use> > nature's law, a great Doctor who knew the secrets to live a long> > life –Ravana Bramha [Meaning the one who comes directly from the

> > race of Lord Bramha]> >> >> >> > Simple Descrpition about the Race of Ravana:> >> > Ravana is grand son of pulastya.> >> > Pulastya was one of the mind-born sons of Brahma

> > </wiki/Brahma> . Pulastya had a son named> > Visravas </wiki/Visravas> . Visravas

> > </wiki/Visravas> had two wives and the first> > wife begot Kubera (the lord of wealth) and the second wife begot

> Ravana,> > Kumbhakarna and Vibheeshana.> >> >> >> > Ravana Conducts Penance> >> >> >> > Ravana undertakes a terrible penance, lasting over 1,000 years to

> please> > Lord Shiva. When Shiva does not appear before him, Ravana begins to> cut> > off his ten heads one by one - cutting one head off and meditating> again> > for a thousand years, then cutting another. When he is about to cut

> off> > his last and base head, Shiva appears. He grants Ravana's request for> > immeasurable strength, complete knowledge of weapons and also ever> > lasting faith in Lord Shiva.

> >> >> >> > Ravana then undertakes another penance for 10,000 years, endeavoring> to> > please Lord Brahma. Brahma tells Ravana that he cannot grant him the> > immortality he desires, for none of the created are immortal. But

> Ravana> > obtains invulnerability against Devas (divinities), Asuras (enemies of> > the Devas), Rakshasas (demons), Gandharvas (celestial musicians),> > Yakshas (demigods), and other celestial and magical beings.

> >> >> >> > Ravana Returns back and starts his Atrocities thinking that there is> no> > one who can defeat him. He becomes successful to bring the " Sanatana> > Dhrama " to the brink of its Destruction.

> >> >> >> > A Mystic Mantra comes out from the mouth of Lord Shiva> >> >> >> > All Gods and divinities were getting troubled from ravana. They

> > approached Lord Shiva and begged him to save them from the evil works> of> > Ravana.> >> > Lord Shiva says to God's and Sages that he cannot help in the> > destruction of Ravana as Ravana is the in the list of his greatest

> > Devotee's.> >> >> >> > Lord Shiva meditates for the solution for some time and says to> > Devatha's and Sages that Ravana worshipped the TEN FORMS of Shiva

> > but forgot to worship the ELEVENTH FORM.> >> >> >> > Devatha's ask for more explanation about the 11th form of Lord> > Shiva.> >> > No sooner Lord shiva started to think of the 11th form to explain it

> to> > Devatha's- the Devtha's and Sages saw a strange chemistry> > happening in Lord Shiva.> >> >> >> > A powerful whirlpool started to move from the Muladhara Chakra (Base

> of> > the spine) of Lord Shiva and at the same instant a great light was> > visible in the sahasra (top of the Head) of lord Shiva, entire body of> > Shiva shivered with Love and Devotion.

> >> >> >> > And thus came the purest of the pure word " Raaam " from the mouth> > of Lord Shiva unknowingly.> >> >> >> > Before Shiva could answer to Devatha's about the greatness of his

> > 11th form, he fell into a deep trance, which lasted for hundreds of> > years and entire Kailash started to vibrate with " Rama " word.> >> >> >> > Tears of Joy started flowing from the eyes of Lord Shiva and few of

> them> > turned to trees. (11 mukhi Rudraksh).> >> >> >> > Mata Parvati tired to approach Shiva, but some thing stopped her from> > touching her Husband. She felt the waves of celibacy emanating from

> each> > and every pore> >> > of Lord Shiva!> >> > Parvati By Her yogic power understood that Lord Shiva got> > Connectedhimself with the 11th Form he is about to take, and also

> wanted> > to know what was the greatness of this form that he lost even himself> > thinking about that Form.> >> > Parvathi had to wait for Hundreds of years to know that!> >

> >> >> >> >> > Please note: a) Lord Shiva soo was mesmerized with the feeling he had> > and uttered the word – " Raam " to explain to Devatha's about

> > what was going inside him and the explanation for this is that> Muldahara> > Chakra vibrates with word " Ra " and sahasra with word> > " ma " which makes " RaMa " .

> >> >> >> > b) It is often said that for any one to chant a> > mantra it has to be first charged with the blessings of Guru. As we> can> > see the word " RaMa " has already become charged with divinity as

> > this word came out not from Lord Shiva's mouth but from his> > Chakra's.> >> >> >> > It is for this reason the word " Raam " or " RaMa " can be

> > chanted by any one-irrespective of gender ,caste, creed ..Etc as it> came> > out in a yogic trance and " Yoga " itself is the guru for it.> >> >> >> >

> >> > Birth Of Ramayan> >> >> >> > After years of Trance Lord Shiva comes to Physical sphere of mind and> > finds out that his wife -Parvati wants to know something. She wanted

> to> > know why Lord Shiva the guru of Yoga lost his conciousness , and what> > made him to roll down tears and what was " Raam " ?> >> >> >> > Lord Shiva explains to parvathi every thing about the new form he is

> > about to take and the greatness of that form.[we shall discuss it> soon]> >> >> >> > When parvathi asks Lord Shiva why he lost his conciousness, to which> > Lord shiva answers that no sooner he thought about the 11th form his

> > entire body got ignited with fire due to the rigid ritualistic life> his> > 11th form is about to take and His Shakthi(Power)grew uncontrollable> > when he thought upon the Yogic Heights his next form is about to

> attain,> > Tears of joy rolled down his eyes because of the devotion his future> > form has on Lord Ram.> >> >> >> > Lord Bramha also comes to understand the story and the importance of

> > what shiva spoke and so did Vishnu [it is said that Trimurthi always> are> > in communion with each other]> >> >> >> > And thus starts the Story of Hanuman and Lord Ram from the mouth of

> > Pashupati himself making Bramha,Vishnu and Paravathi as the first> > listeners.> >> > Later it was passed on to Sage Narada, Who passed it on to Valmiki.> >> >

> >> > Sage Agastya Desires to Bring up a Warrior who can devout all his life> > to protection of Dharma> >> >> >> > Agastya Maharashi got fed up after seeing the Atrocities which were to

> > happening to Sages from time to time(Since the beginning of Creation)> in> > the name of Asura's. Maharashi comes to a conclusion that a> > permanent solution has to be established to this problem. He desires

> to> > develop a warrior who is good in all the wisdom,who is good in every> > Art,Whose strength can match none and who will even sacrifice Marital> > Happiness for the sake of his Work.

> >> >> >> > He decides to go meditate on this problem in loneliness in> > Dandakaranya(A forest in Southern India) which is a forest in Vanara> > Land.> >

> >> >> > Sage Agastya chooses a man named Pavan[who in future gets known as> > Kesari] as his disciple. He gives him Training in all the arts and> > showers him highest knowledge.

> >> > He also makes him to take an oath of " Ever lasting Brahma charya> > deeksha " and appoints him as the king of RatnaPuram and advices him> > to rule his Vanara's kingdom according to laws of Vedas.

> >> > Kesari obeys his guru order and goes away to his kingdom and continues> > his ruling.One day Kesari sees a lady and falls in love with her.His> > love for her makes him so mesmerized that he even forgets about his

> > bramha charya deeksha and asks the Lady to marry him.The Lady is> > Daugther is the King of Mahendrapuram and her name is ANJANA.> >> >> >> > Anjana readily accepts the proposal and Kesari returns home.He

> remembers> > his promise to his guru Agastya and feels that he has betrayed his> > guru.Immediately he rushes to his Guru and apologizes for his act.> >> > Sage Agastya who was a great devotee of Shiva knew that this was all

> > happening with the will of supreme.> >> >> >> > Agastya Blesses Pavana [ in future to be called Kesari] and conducts> the> > marriage of Pavan and Anjana.

> >> >> >> > Agastya advices Pavana and Anjana that they have to follow> Brahmacharya> > for 12 years after marriage. He also advices that Anjana should lead> an

> > Ascetic life for 12 years and should be away from Pavana .> >> > Anjana and Pavana get surprised to the Agastya's advice to the newly> > wed couple. Agastya then reveals to them that a son will be born to

> them> > who would rule Dharma till the end of World protecting the good and> > punishing the evil. But for that to happen this couple has to forgo> > material wants and should pray Lord shiva as It is not be possible for

> > Anjana to even bear that son in her womb and for that she needs to> > develop yogic fire in her body.> >> > Anjana consoles her husband and leaves for forest with Agastya.> >

> > She enters into deep penace in Dandakaranya for 12 years.> >> >> >> > Pls note:When we say Pavana tanaya – It also means son of KESARI> > other than Son of Vayu

> >> >> >> >> > TO BE CONTINUED> >>

-- RegardsJ.s.sandhu

December 18, 2008

when I read the mail by kaushikji,the understanding that dawned on my mind was that when shiva turned towards inside {U KNOW WHAT I MEAN]the energy flow revealed to him ,of a greatest of great forms to be taking AVTAAR in a short time and his super conciousness told him ,it was RAAM.while reading the story it never occured to me that shiva was to take the form of Ram.

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: The Complete Story of Hanuman-Part 1 Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:27 PM

Dear Kaushik ji,

I do not wish to dishearten you, neither dampen your spirits, so please read this with a positive state of mind.

I know what is hapenning nowadays. There are many people who wish to look Spectacular , by talking something different- away- deviation from the known facts. Obviously you may not be from this fold of people, but likelihhod of being similiar persists somewhere in this whole thread.

There are many stories ( New ones - not authenticated and with no well known author who has written these ) floating around the Great Epics and the charatcters of these epics, which makes a man more confused rather turns him into a dis-believer instead of leading one towards developing faith and reverence.

For instance You say Hanumanji married. In your next postings you tell us not to think of that marriage as this and thus.

You first say that Shiva took the form of Rama. Next you say that he took the name of Rama.

You talk of " Tejas " as the glow of the Sun, which is in fact not the truth. But tejas is developed only due to Bramacharya and denial of the semen flowing freely and wantonly due to indulging in the sense plays. But you relate it to the Sun.

There are many such irregularities in your article which I do not have time to tread or explain to you, one by one. I was expecting these deviations, which is why I warned you in the beginning itself that no treading from the known facts must be done here.

You have also failed to mention the source of what all you have written.

Under such circumstances it is difficult for me to encourage this thread.

You have some explaining to do now.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, kaushik <kaushik_buddy@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > Â Â Why was Shiva Take the Name of Lord Ram because there was an eternal Pormise which was to be fulfilled.> Â > Gajamukhasura did great penance toward Lord Shiva. When he came before, he requested Lord Shiva to live in his belly. When Lord Shiva did not return, Goddess Parvathi sought the help of Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu dressed himself as a flutist and took along with him Nandi, the steed of Lord Shiva, Nandi was made to dance funny dances, in front of Gajamukhasura to the soulful music provided by Lord Vishnu (This type of bull dancing to the tune of music is still prevalent in South India). Gajamukhasura was pleased and gave a boon to Lord Vishnu, without knowing him who he is. Lord Vishnu requested him to release Lord Shiva. When Lord Shiva came out of his belly the asura died.>

Â > It was then Lord Shiva Promised Lord vishnu that he will Serve Lord Visnu in one of future Forms and will help Vishnu the same way he did for him now.> Â > From Shiva Puranam> Â > Hope i answered your query> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/>

December 18, 2008

when I read the mail by kaushikji,the understanding that dawned on my mind was that when shiva turned towards inside {U KNOW WHAT I MEAN]the energy flow revealed to him ,of a greatest of great forms to be taking AVTAAR in a short time and his super conciousness told him ,it was RAAM.while reading the story it never occured to me that shiva was to take the form of Ram.

As for tejas, don't we say surya ke TEJ ke samaksha koi tik nahi sakta.TEJA of brahmacharya is different fom this. TEJA of TAPASYA is also different. although literally it means the same, GLOW.I think TEJA actually means the satisfaction shown on the face which comes from attaining the deepest knowledge of something or anything, something where it is not easy to reach....where a common man or woman can never reach....TEJA comes when YOU are the MASTER of your mind ...through submissal ,thru penance ,through hardships, thru struggle...

As for reverend Hanumaanji being married even while being a BRAHMACHARI....as I have learnt thru the years ,though of course I have only very little knowledge as compared to you and the other reverend,WE CAN MOVE NEARER TO ATTAINING HIGHER KNOWLEDGE ONLY WITH A FLEXIBLE MIND....BY BEING RIGID ON A ViCHHAAR i think we block new knowledge to be dawned....BUT AT THE SAME TIME I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE ARTICLE HAS TO BE AUTHENTIC....AND WITH PROOF OF THE SCRIPTURE...AND THE SOURCE... AND IT IS A REQuEST NOT TO DISCONTINUE THE THREAD B'COZ I DON'T THINK THAT WE PEOPLE ARE A PART OF THE bhed-chhaal .I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO LET OUR MINDS GET INFLUENCED BY ANY STORY WHICH COULD OR WOULD NOT BE CORRECT.but i don't think it is a bad idea to hear out what others

have to say...idon't mean to disregard you or any other learned man..but what all i said is only a humble suggestion...b'coz as we all know that even the great reverend SHRI SHANKRACHARYAJI had to enter another body to gain the kowledge of GRIHAST JEEVAN & STRI- PURUSH SAMBANDH & also as I read somewhere once ..to gain the knowledge about SEX ..when he was in SHASTRAARTHA ARGUEMENT with another learned pandit..YOU know better than me about this factual story...plz do correct me if I am wrong...--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: