Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM, RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote: > > When we accept 'Astrology' or 'Jyotish ' as a Science, we must first talk scientifically. > > Rishi Parashara is said to be or have approx 7 births and we assume that as truth. And we build or try to build facts on that. > > Even if there was no Rishi Parashara in actuality... the seven births is a philosophical understanding, like all religions are. > > God and or Remedies is you and/or your strength/belief, which fortifies your mind.. but this is out of context. > > Sometimes I wonder why we spend much time and energy discussing if it is a science, superstition or not... like we spent much time wondering if Pluto was a planet or not.. byt Pluto existed and still does.. as whatever. > > You know Pluto is there and will be in the near Future, at least. Similarly..astrology/Jyotish. > > If Science can be proved wrong, doesnt astrology/Jyotish have the right to be proved wrong? > > After all, the proving and disproving is/was done by humans. > > RishiRahul > > vedic astrology > jyotish_vani > Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:08:15 +0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Nathani, > > > > While I respect your passionate stand in this matter, by *summarily* > > dismissing what Narlikar or the previous scientists (Sagan for > > instance) or the next scientist states about astrology based on their > > casual brush with a discipline that has kept some fairly cerebral > > people raptly absorbed for many many years and perhaps lifetimes -- > > we would be simply falling in the same rank and style as him or > > other 'rationalists'. > > > > I think instead of presenting a slogan (e.g., Astrology is not > > science and bunk!) with a counter-slogan ( " Astrology is a science and > > has always been ... " ), both sides would have to forward illustrations > > and arguments to justify their positions. And that takes a lot of > > time and dedication so then becomes a personal choice for each > > proponent and opponent! > > > > In that vein, I would applaud the contribution of Seymore and of > > Eysenck and Nias. I am certain all who believe that astrology is > > science have read these short offerings even if these may not be > > directly based in jyotish. > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405 wrote: > >> > >>  Dear Mr. RR Ji > >> > >> We should dismiss him summarily. The fact will always remain that > > Jyotish Shashtra is science & not fiction or art. If Jyotish > > Shahshtra has got such a huge milage & acceptablity since 3 yugas, it > > is because it is science. > >> > >> Rishi Parasher took almost seven births in this universe > > to understand & experience the practical acceptablity of Jyotish > > Shahshtra, but we are the most unfortunate, some Jyotish authors have > > not understood the message of Rishi Parasher & speculatively have > > given their own personal opinions without trying to understand the > > effect of it on the neophytes. > >>  > >> GOD BLESS YOU > >> WITH WARM REGARDS > >> HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > >> VEDIC ASTOLOGER > >> VAASTU CONSULTANT > >> CELL +919867214103 > >> (MUMBAI,INDIA) > >> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > >> vedic astrology > >> Monday, 9 February, 2009 12:23:33 PM > >> [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science?? > >> > >> > >> Mr. Haresh (Harry) Nathani, > >> > >> Since you addressed your posting to <all> ... > >> > >> I think Dr. Narlikar has had a pretty productive life, > > scientifically > >> and otherwise so let us not presume that he has anything personal > >> against astrology! > >> > >> Perhaps, unless I am frightfully wrong, he does not even know or > > care > >> to know about this forum or the two or three other jyotish fora > > that > >> we all frequent. > >> > >> While your personal passion for astrology as expressed is > > understood > >> and reciprocated amicably -- there have been jyotishi-astrophyic > > ists > >> like Mr. Jha who have been questioning the MATH and astro- > > coordinates > >> that the great body of astrologers have been utilizing for decades > >> and perhaps centuries! > >> > >> What is your opinion? Should we listen to what Mr. Vinay Jha has to > >> say or do we dismiss him summarily? > >> > >> The 'YOU' is metaphorical, of course, since I know that 'Harry' > > does > >> not really control what the Goddess JR Rowlings writes, nor what > >> MOGULS ultimately decide to do with their lives! > >> > >> vedic astrology, " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > >> <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Devendra and all, > >> > > >> > It seems that the scientist must have had some unpleasent > >> experience with astrolgers or his 9th house may be having those > >> planets which makes the native see astrology as supertitious. > >> > > >> > We of course are influnced by the planets in the orbit. Our > >> actions, our tastes, our mind, our relationships, our intelligence > >> and many more are influenced by the planets. If that is not the > > case > >> then why would there be any kind of disparity between all > >> individuals, why our thoughts are different, why do we think > >> differently & not similarly like all. > >> > > >> > Astrology is merely not limited to predicting various events in > > our > >> lives, it is also a guide which shows us how our past, present > >> &  future will look like and how best can we adapt ourselves to > > those > >> kind of situations, circumstances & events which have influenced us > >> also the events which will be going to influence us in our > >> respective lives. > >> > > >> > The fact that u have posted this query, I am certain u r not a > >> astrloger. > >> > > >> >  > >> > GOD BLESS YOU > >> > WITH WARM REGARDS > >> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > >> > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > >> > VAASTU CONSULTANT > >> > CELL +919867214103 > >> > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > >> > > >> > > >> > please look into the article by an eminent scientist. > >> > > >> > November 4, 2006 > >> > Press Trust Of India > >> > Rourkela, February 09, 2009 > >> > First Published: 12:51 IST(9/2/2009) > >> > Last Updated: 12:54 IST(9/2/2009) > >> > Future lies in hands and not planets: Narlikar > >> > " Our future lies in our hands and not on the position of > > planets, " > >> > said eminent scientist and internationally acclaimed astro- > >> physicist > >> > Prof J V Narlikar. > >> > He said there was a wrong concept that planets influenced the > >> > future. " The planets are powerless. Stand on your own feet, know > >> your > >> > problem and try to solve it yourself. " > >> > The astronomer pointed out there were even differences among > >> > astrologers with western astrology differing from Indian > > astrology. > >> > " Astrology is not science, but superstition, he said. > >> > Astrologers knew that people came to them when they faced > > problems > >> > and kept them hanging so that they made repeated visits. > >> > Narlikar was speaking at a seminar 'Astrology-a pseudo-sience' > > here > >> > last night organised by the Orissa Rationalists Association. > >> > http://www.hindusta ntimes.com/ StoryPage/ Print.aspx? > > Id=eab5b5ad- > >> 2c22- > >> > 416f-bf1a-92a56bfd1 904 > >> > © Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> > Davendra <davendrak@ ..> > >> > vedic astrology > >> > Monday, 9 February, 2009 7:24:10 AM > >> > [vedic astrology] Astrology/Science? ? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 A rather confusing posting if you don't mind my saying so, Mr. RishiRahul! Many assumptions embedded including how many births Parashara took and so on. As to Pluto -- or the two other transsaturnine planets that jyotish does not accept into its *fold*, even some jyotishis waver over that! To be or not to be ...! It is not about right or wrong, it is not even about whether science is more important than philosophy, or religion or poetry...! What it all boils down to is how you want to live? And experience life?? Science, Religion, Spirituality and Poetry and many other things can coexist and harmoniously -- if the doors and windows are open and the mind our precious lunar gift from MA -- is not closed. Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote: > > > When we accept 'Astrology' or 'Jyotish ' as a Science, we must first talk scientifically. > > Rishi Parashara is said to be or have approx 7 births and we assume that as truth. And we build or try to build facts on that. > > Even if there was no Rishi Parashara in actuality... the seven births is a philosophical understanding, like all religions are. > > God and or Remedies is you and/or your strength/belief, which fortifies your mind.. but this is out of context. > > Sometimes I wonder why we spend much time and energy discussing if it is a science, superstition or not... like we spent much time wondering if Pluto was a planet or not.. byt Pluto existed and still does.. as whatever. > > You know Pluto is there and will be in the near Future, at least. Similarly..astrology/Jyotish. > > If Science can be proved wrong, doesnt astrology/Jyotish have the right to be proved wrong? > > After all, the proving and disproving is/was done by humans. > > RishiRahul > > vedic astrology > jyotish_vani > Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:08:15 +0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Nathani, > > > > While I respect your passionate stand in this matter, by *summarily* > > dismissing what Narlikar or the previous scientists (Sagan for > > instance) or the next scientist states about astrology based on their > > casual brush with a discipline that has kept some fairly cerebral > > people raptly absorbed for many many years and perhaps lifetimes -- > > we would be simply falling in the same rank and style as him or > > other 'rationalists'. > > > > I think instead of presenting a slogan (e.g., Astrology is not > > science and bunk!) with a counter-slogan ( " Astrology is a science and > > has always been ... " ), both sides would have to forward illustrations > > and arguments to justify their positions. And that takes a lot of > > time and dedication so then becomes a personal choice for each > > proponent and opponent! > > > > In that vein, I would applaud the contribution of Seymore and of > > Eysenck and Nias. I am certain all who believe that astrology is > > science have read these short offerings even if these may not be > > directly based in jyotish. > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " > > <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > >  Dear Mr. RR Ji > > > > > > We should dismiss him summarily. The fact will always remain that > > Jyotish Shashtra is science & not fiction or art. If Jyotish > > Shahshtra has got such a huge milage & acceptablity since 3 yugas, it > > is because it is science. > > > > > > Rishi Parasher took almost seven births in this universe > > to understand & experience the practical acceptablity of Jyotish > > Shahshtra, but we are the most unfortunate, some Jyotish authors have > > not understood the message of Rishi Parasher & speculatively have > > given their own personal opinions without trying to understand the > > effect of it on the neophytes. > > >  > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> > > > vedic astrology > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 12:23:33 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science?? > > > > > > > > > Mr. Haresh (Harry) Nathani, > > > > > > Since you addressed your posting to <all> ... > > > > > > I think Dr. Narlikar has had a pretty productive life, > > scientifically > > > and otherwise so let us not presume that he has anything personal > > > against astrology! > > > > > > Perhaps, unless I am frightfully wrong, he does not even know or > > care > > > to know about this forum or the two or three other jyotish fora > > that > > > we all frequent. > > > > > > While your personal passion for astrology as expressed is > > understood > > > and reciprocated amicably -- there have been jyotishi-astrophyic > > ists > > > like Mr. Jha who have been questioning the MATH and astro- > > coordinates > > > that the great body of astrologers have been utilizing for decades > > > and perhaps centuries! > > > > > > What is your opinion? Should we listen to what Mr. Vinay Jha has to > > > say or do we dismiss him summarily? > > > > > > The 'YOU' is metaphorical, of course, since I know that 'Harry' > > does > > > not really control what the Goddess JR Rowlings writes, nor what > > > MOGULS ultimately decide to do with their lives! > > > > > > vedic astrology, " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Devendra and all, > > > > > > > > It seems that the scientist must have had some unpleasent > > > experience with astrolgers or his 9th house may be having those > > > planets which makes the native see astrology as supertitious. > > > > > > > > We of course are influnced by the planets in the orbit. Our > > > actions, our tastes, our mind, our relationships, our intelligence > > > and many more are influenced by the planets. If that is not the > > case > > > then why would there be any kind of disparity between all > > > individuals, why our thoughts are different, why do we think > > > differently & not similarly like all. > > > > > > > > Astrology is merely not limited to predicting various events in > > our > > > lives, it is also a guide which shows us how our past, present > > > &  future will look like and how best can we adapt ourselves to > > those > > > kind of situations, circumstances & events which have influenced us > > > also the events which will be going to influence us in our > > > respective lives. > > > > > > > > The fact that u have posted this query, I am certain u r not a > > > astrloger. > > > > > > > >  > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > > > > > > please look into the article by an eminent scientist. > > > > > > > > November 4, 2006 > > > > Press Trust Of India > > > > Rourkela, February 09, 2009 > > > > First Published: 12:51 IST(9/2/2009) > > > > Last Updated: 12:54 IST(9/2/2009) > > > > Future lies in hands and not planets: Narlikar > > > > " Our future lies in our hands and not on the position of > > planets, " > > > > said eminent scientist and internationally acclaimed astro- > > > physicist > > > > Prof J V Narlikar. > > > > He said there was a wrong concept that planets influenced the > > > > future. " The planets are powerless. Stand on your own feet, know > > > your > > > > problem and try to solve it yourself. " > > > > The astronomer pointed out there were even differences among > > > > astrologers with western astrology differing from Indian > > astrology. > > > > " Astrology is not science, but superstition, he said. > > > > Astrologers knew that people came to them when they faced > > problems > > > > and kept them hanging so that they made repeated visits. > > > > Narlikar was speaking at a seminar 'Astrology-a pseudo-sience' > > here > > > > last night organised by the Orissa Rationalists Association. > > > > http://www.hindusta ntimes.com/ StoryPage/ Print.aspx? > > Id=eab5b5ad- > > > 2c22- > > > > 416f-bf1a-92a56bfd1 904 > > > > © Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Davendra <davendrak@ ..> > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 7:24:10 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Astrology/Science? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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