Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 respected sir i want to know about RAVANSANHITA. If any of u know what its contents are and whether its related to astrology. Is it good to buy it to increase knowledge? I am amateure astrologer with krishnamurthy system shrinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Shriniwas, First you must finish reading the books we already have in the Files section, then buy a Bhrigu Samhita available from the markets and finish reading that. You must also be able to rectify Birth time through Krishnamurthy system, locate and time events in a persons chart, learn to rectify and identify the right Cuspal and Planetary sublords, be able to predict major events like marriage, birth of children, or accidents after studying a Chart through KP system. You must be ale to use the Ruling Planets in absence of a Birth Chart, and be able to predict events and time them without the aid of a Panchanga , on Your fingers, and all this, within minutes. If You can do this , and then and only then , go for studying the Ravan Samhita. If You cannot do this, then there is much to learn before we go to study other options. regards, Bhaskar. , "chaphalkar.shrinivas" <chaphalkar.shrinivas wrote:>> respected sir> i want to know about RAVANSANHITA. If any of u know what its contents are and whether its related to astrology. Is it good to buy it to increase knowledge?> I am amateure astrologer with krishnamurthy system> shrinivas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Pradeep ji. kindly check this link; http://www.scribd.com/doc/19184002/56Ardra-Nakshatra-Padas-in-Ravana-Samhita-1; ravan sanhita makes sense if we talk of south india prevalent systems. What is published now a days as ravan samhita or kali kitab is portions taken out of indrajaal. old wine in new bottles. Latest from Grapevine is that pt ji wrote a 6th book edition of lalkitab which he called kaali kitab; and only a ''select elite'' is allowed to see it. the best way for us is; understand 5 editions available to us by putting whole hearted efforts. that's more than sufficient. Regards kulbir , pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji, > > > Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its development in recent time etc.). > > Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being being promoted by some professional astrologers. > At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature of remedies or prediction methodologies used in ravan sanhita. > > regards,--Pradeep. > > > --- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS > > Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK upaya. > > > > I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night. > > > > Thank you once again, > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar discuss karke kisi > > > natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai ..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath jaroor bantna > > > chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai > > > ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par ..magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is > > > liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi neecha ya uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE. > > > Regards > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS > > > > > > Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >  > > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1005 > > >           grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya > > > Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba' > > > Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun. > > >  > > > Regards, > > > Varun Trivedi > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner; > > > > > > > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations; > > > > > > > > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen. > > > > > > > > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from > > > > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded > > > > > the image form of the shloks themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas] > > > > > > > > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh] > > > > > > > > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction > > > > > > > > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood > > > > > > > > > > rajyam = state > > > > > > > > > > cha = and > > > > > > > > > > rakta = red > > > > > > > > > > patah = cloth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant > > > line only] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raktam = blood > > > > > > > > > > tambra = copper > > > > > > > > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes > > > > > > > > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction > > > > > > > > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south] > > > > > > > > > > cha = and > > > > > > > > > > ta = that > > > > > > > > > > dik = direction > > > > > > > > > > priyah = loving > > > > > > > > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between > > > > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers > > > > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary > > > > > copper is considered a karak of > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it > > > > > says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another > > > > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have > > > > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say > > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a > > > > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh > > > > > tamba’ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ sooraj > > > ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud > > > > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se > > > > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai | > > > > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali > > > > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash] > > > > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration; > > > > > > > > > > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > in this book also > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by > > > > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba > > > > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh > > > > > tamba in lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste > > > > > and taken as > > > shay of mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three > > > > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have > > > > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is > > > > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in > > > > > order to understand the significance of copper. > > > > > > > > > > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur > > > > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina > > > > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba > > > > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya > > > > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana > > > > > rah sakta hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend > > > > > mein khalal dalta > > > hai' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi > > > > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop > > > > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu > > > > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi. > > > > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha > > > > > mein kataksha na rahe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain; > > > > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par > > > > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadar sahit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun > > > Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan > > > > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar > > > > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon. > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf > > > > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.? > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai > > > > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining > > > wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ > > > > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai. > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan > > > > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, > > > > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji > > > > > aadhi hain. > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein > > > > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye > > > > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor > > > > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh > > > > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf > > > > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana > > > > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai > > > yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin > > > > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye > > > > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya > > > > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to > > > > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap > > > > > safai se door kar sakte hain. > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai > > > > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise > > > > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ > > > > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se > > > > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna > > > > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to > > > mein > > > > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon. > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 --- On Fri, 4/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Pardeep ji, us kitab ko sardar ji rawan padhti kehte the .maine galti se rawan sahinta likh diya .iske liye mafi chahta hu.wo kitab hast likhit thi.jo unko apne nana(maternal grand father) se mili thi.kyoki lal kitab me b grahon ko jagane ya dusre kisi aur ghar me asar pahunchane ke liye upay kiye jaate hai.jo ki rawan ke gyan se b mail khati hai.maine niji taur pe bhrigu sahinta aur rawan padhti doondne ki bahut koshish ki magar ko khas kaamyaabi nahi mili.bazaar me jo rawan sahinta hai wo asli nahi,kyoki usme padhti ko samjhne ki koi vyakaran nahi.kewal inderjaal ke totke hai ya parashri jyotish ke adhar par kuch kudliyon ke yog.is liye wo kitab ka kewal naam hi rawan sahinta hai.kitab me kuchch nahi.is liye asli lal kitab ko hi tarteeb se samjhne ki koshish karien .tab aap b aisi nishaniya aur upay bata sakege jo ki aap ko b hairan kar denge.yadi koi problem ho to group me message daal sakte hai.discuss karke problem ka hal jaroor nikal aata hai.iske liye varun ji hum sab ki subject ko samjhne me kafi madad karte hai.jiske liye mai unhe dhanyawad deta hu. Regards Kunwar Vishalvarun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS Date: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 11:07 PM Respected Pradeep ji,In the market I have seen a book being sold as Ravan Sanhita. I had gone through a few pages of it at a book stall and I found it to be some spurious publication.At least the book being sold in the market can not be the genuine Ravan Sanhita.There are no two opinions that Ravan was a great scholar of his times and was an equally a great learned astrologer who could even command the planets to do his biddings.Therefore it is quite possible that some where there could be a genuine Ravan Sanhita, if he had written any.If a genuine Ravan Sanhita exists, then it would be in the hand written manuscript form, copied from generation to generation by some family.At least I have not heard that even such a manuscript exists.Regards,Varun Trivedi , pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji,> > > Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its development in recent time etc.).> > Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being being promoted by some professional astrologers.> At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature of remedies or prediction methodolo gies used in ravan sanhita.> > regards,--Pradeep.> > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ....>> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS> > Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji,> > > > Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK upaya.> > > > I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night.> > > > Thank you once again,> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,> > >> > >> > > maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar discuss karke kisi> > > natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai .un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath jaroor bantna> > > chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai> > > ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is> > > liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi neecha ya uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.> > > Regards> > > Kunwar Vishal> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS> > > > > > Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1005> > > grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya> > > Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba'> > > Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun ji,> > > >> > > > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;> > > >> > > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;> > > >> > > > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.> > > >> > > > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir> > > >> > > > @. com, "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from> > > > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded> > > > > the image form of the shloks themselves.> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]> > > > >> > > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Surya> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]> > > > >> > > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction> > > > >> > > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood> > > > >> > > > > rajyam = state> > > > >> > > > > cha = and> > > > >> > > > > rakta = red> > > > >> > > > > patah = cloth> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Mars> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant> > > line only]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > raktam = blood> > > > >> > > > > tambra = copper> > > > >> > > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes> > > > >> > > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction> > > > >> > > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]> > > > >> > > > > cha = and> > > > >> > > > > ta = that> > > > >> > > > > dik = direction> > > > >> > > > > priyah = loving> > > > >> > > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between> > > > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers> > > > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary> > > > > copper is considered a karak of> > > Mars.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it> > > > > says:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another> > > > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have> > > > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say> > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a> > > > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh> > > > > tamba’> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > “ sooraj> > > ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud> > > > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se> > > > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |> > > > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali> > > > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]> > > > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Have a nice day,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;> > > > > >> > > > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > in this book also> > > > > >> > > > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by> > > > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba> > > > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh> > > > > tamba in lalkitab.> > > > > >> > > > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste> > > > > and taken as> > > shay of mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three> > > > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.> > > > > >> > > > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have> > > > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.> > > > > >> > > > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is> > > > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba> > > > > >> > > > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in> > > > > order to understand the significance of copper.> > > > > >> > > > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.> > > > > > regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Kulbir> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur> > > > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina> > > > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba> > > > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya> > > > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana> > > > > rah sakta hai.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend> > > > > mein khalal dalta> > > hai'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi> > > > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop> > > > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu> > > > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.> > > > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha> > > > > mein kataksha na rahe.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;> > > > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par> > > > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aadar sahit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun> > > Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan> > > > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Jee,> > > > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar> > > > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf> > > > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai> > > > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining> > > wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ> > > > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan> > > > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,> > > > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji> > > > > aadhi hain.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein> > > > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye> > > > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor> > > > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh> > > > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf> > > > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana> > > > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai> > > yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin> > > > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye> > > > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya> > > > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to> > > > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap> > > > > safai se door kar sakte hain.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai> > > > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise> > > > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ> > > > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se> > > > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna> > > > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to> > > mein> > > > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Respected Varun ji, vishal ji and Kulbir ji,I have no intention to open the pages of the ravan sanhita to me, unless and untill I am totally clear about the literature available to me right now.I just sent out a message to know the opinion from learned and experienced persons about this topic. I am just 28 years(may be theoretically Ok but very less practical exp.) and have listened about ravan sanhita from various people but never faced any example remedy or approach. Also I am a software engineer, so google and other Internet based technologies are a kind of my left hand and I have gone to extreme searching ravan sanhita. But these Internet based knowledge always gave a hint of existence of ravan sanhita but never told me it's nature of working or any other aspect. It's something which fit on a local idiom "Gullar ka phool". So I took the available material on this subject as a propaganda or some spoofed things.That's why, when I read on this group the word "ravan sanhita" from vishal ji, I just forwarded my questions and clearly seeked guidance from the learned persons whether it is something real in current days or just a possible candidate of metaphysics or some professional astrologers.regards,--Pradeep.--- On Sat, 12/5/09, vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer wrote:vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologerLK discussion group Re: Ravan Sanhita Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 4:24 PM --- On Fri, 4/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Pardeep ji, us kitab ko sardar ji rawan padhti kehte the .maine galti se rawan sahinta likh diya .iske liye mafi chahta hu.wo kitab hast likhit thi.jo unko apne nana(maternal grand father) se mili thi.kyoki lal kitab me b grahon ko jagane ya dusre kisi aur ghar me asar pahunchane ke liye upay kiye jaate hai.jo ki rawan ke gyan se b mail khati hai.maine niji taur pe bhrigu sahinta aur rawan padhti doondne ki bahut koshish ki magar ko khas kaamyaabi nahi mili.bazaar me jo rawan sahinta hai wo asli nahi,kyoki usme padhti ko samjhne ki koi vyakaran nahi.kewal inderjaal ke totke hai ya parashri jyotish ke adhar par kuch kudliyon ke yog.is liye wo kitab ka kewal naam hi rawan sahinta hai.kitab me kuchch nahi.is liye asli lal kitab ko hi tarteeb se samjhne ki koshish karien .tab aap b aisi nishaniya aur upay bata sakege jo ki aap ko b hairan kar denge.yadi koi problem ho to group me message daal sakte hai.discuss karke problem ka hal jaroor nikal aata hai.iske liye varun ji hum sab ki subject ko samjhne me kafi madad karte hai.jiske liye mai unhe dhanyawad deta hu. Regards Kunwar Vishalvarun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in>LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS Friday, 4 December, 2009, 11:07 PM Respected Pradeep ji,In the market I have seen a book being sold as Ravan Sanhita. I had gone through a few pages of it at a book stall and I found it to be some spurious publication.At least the book being sold in the market can not be the genuine Ravan Sanhita.There are no two opinions that Ravan was a great scholar of his times and was an equally a great learned astrologer who could even command the planets to do his biddings.Therefore it is quite possible that some where there could be a genuine Ravan Sanhita, if he had written any.If a genuine Ravan Sanhita exists, then it would be in the hand written manuscript form, copied from generation to generation by some family.At least I have not heard that even such a manuscript exists.Regards,Varun Trivedi , pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji,> > > Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its development in recent time etc.).> > Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being being promoted by some professional astrologers.> At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature of remedies or prediction methodolo gies used in ravan sanhita.> > regards,--Pradeep.> > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ....>> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS> > Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji,> > > > Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK upaya.> > > > I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night.> > > > Thank you once again,> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,> > >> > >> > > maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar discuss karke kisi> > > natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai .un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath jaroor bantna> > > chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai> > > ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is> > > liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi neecha ya uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.> > > Regards> > > Kunwar Vishal> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS> > > > > > Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1005> > > grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya> > > Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba'> > > Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun ji,> > > >> > > > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;> > > >> > > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;> > > >> > > > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.> > > >> > > > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir> > > >> > > > @. com, "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from> > > > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded> > > > > the image form of the shloks themselves.> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]> > > > >> > > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Surya> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]> > > > >> > > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction> > > > >> > > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood> > > > >> > > > > rajyam = state> > > > >> > > > > cha = and> > > > >> > > > > rakta = red> > > > >> > > > > patah = cloth> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Mars> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant> > > line only]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > raktam = blood> > > > >> > > > > tambra = copper> > > > >> > > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes> > > > >> > > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction> > > > >> > > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]> > > > >> > > > > cha = and> > > > >> > > > > ta = that> > > > >> > > > > dik = direction> > > > >> > > > > priyah = loving> > > > >> > > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between> > > > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers> > > > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary> > > > > copper is considered a karak of> > > Mars.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it> > > > > says:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another> > > > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have> > > > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say> > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a> > > > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh> > > > > tamba’> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > “ sooraj> > > ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud> > > > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se> > > > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |> > > > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali> > > > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]> > > > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Have a nice day,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun ji;> > > > > >> > > > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;> > > > > >> > > > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > in this book also> > > > > >> > > > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by> > > > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba> > > > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh> > > > > tamba in lalkitab.> > > > > >> > > > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste> > > > > and taken as> > > shay of mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three> > > > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.> > > > > >> > > > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have> > > > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.> > > > > >> > > > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is> > > > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba> > > > > >> > > > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in> > > > > order to understand the significance of copper.> > > > > >> > > > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.> > > > > > regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Kulbir> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur> > > > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina> > > > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba> > > > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya> > > > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana> > > > > rah sakta hai.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend> > > > > mein khalal dalta> > > hai'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi> > > > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop> > > > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu> > > > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.> > > > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha> > > > > mein kataksha na rahe.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;> > > > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par> > > > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Aadar sahit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun> > > Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan> > > > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Jee,> > > > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar> > > > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf> > > > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai> > > > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining> > > wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ> > > > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan> > > > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,> > > > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji> > > > > aadhi hain.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein> > > > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye> > > > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor> > > > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh> > > > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf> > > > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana> > > > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai> > > yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin> > > > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye> > > > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya> > > > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to> > > > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap> > > > > safai se door kar sakte hain.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai> > > > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise> > > > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ> > > > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se> > > > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna> > > > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to> > > mein> > > > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Respected Pradeep ji, Most of us already know that there is no authentic ravan sanhita in the printed form. If at all, some one might have it in the manuscript form, that too as a part of the family tradition. I have checked anurag_shree2006 is not a member of this group. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > Thanks for your feedback. You are absolutely right, and that's what I even suspected and wanted to know views from you elders. > > Here is the chat I just ended up with the owner of a ravan sanhita group. I think everyone can grasp the truth from this chat session. People speaking about ravan sanhita are just making fool out of the people. > > BTW, varun ji could you please check if this anurag_shree is member of our discussion group also?? > > > > > > =================== > > anurag_shree2006: ?????Me: yes pleaseanurag_shree2006: Why u intrested in rawan sanhitaMe: cud u please tell me about urselfi am not able to recognize u from ur idanurag_shree2006: owner of vandenikhilam groupMe: OKgot itSo basically I am a student of lal kitabanurag_shree2006: hindi jante ho ?Me: Just got some reference about ravan sanhitaeven with the comments that lal kitab is derived from ravan sanhitathat's why just intrested to know abt. ravan sanhitajoined the ravan sanhitaand there I got the link to ur groupyeh I know hindi english an sanskritalso urdu, but only spkenanurag_shree2006: ab meri bat suno.Me: not written urduanurag_shree2006: bina rawan ko guru banaye aap rawan ke mantro ka prayog nahi kar sakate hodusari batlal kitab, indrajaal, sadakchhap books h, inse kisi ko koi fayada nahi hotaham log shree sadhana or mahakali ji ki sadhana ko show karte hMe: then please enlighten meanurag_shree2006: ??Me: BTW let me make you update > that I am a bagulamukhi sadhakanurag_shree2006: if you are valgaji's sadhak don't go here wheremaa valga ji give youeverythingrawan sanhita m rawan ko guru man kar pujan hota haise m aap shree sadhana nahi kar sakateMe: But i need to know the logic beyond the siddhi'sanurag_shree2006: or phir shree sadhana kar chuke ho to rawan ke mantro ko mat dekhookif your way is rightiam provide you infoMe: I am not looking for ravan's mantrasI was just intrested in astrological partanurag_shree2006: goodMe: but yes if you can give me something newanurag_shree2006: kaal gyan ?Me: then even I can take ravan as my gurui have no hard feeling about ravaninfact I respect that personanurag_shree2006: yes jo bhi sadhak hogauske liye rawan ek aadarsh hMe: Then tell me what to doanurag_shree2006: ho is your guru ?Me: No One is my guru as suchanurag_shree2006: adhyatm m ek hi guru hota hMe: I meditated vipasna for 2 yearsanurag_shree2006: ohovery goodaap kaha se ho ?Me: then > I practicised bagulamukhi sadhnaanurag_shree2006: iam approved you in vandenikhilamMe: no guru diksha till nowanurag_shree2006: check your mailaap jo bhi mantra jap karte hMe: then I meditated and did sadhna with uple being bruning around me for 10 days infront of my kul devianurag_shree2006: us mantra jap ke result se 200% tej h rawan ke mantraMe: that's it till nowi am from haryana, distt. bhiwanianurag_shree2006: i know bhiwanirightMe: yupanurag_shree2006: well if you intrested in astrological knowladge, do panchanguli sadhanatime period just 5 day'saap agar sadhana karte hMe: I am not aware about this sadhanPlease give me the guidanceIf it is possible to meet you then it would be great for mwanurag_shree2006: visit for http://www.ssvbhopal.infowe creat this sitesecondwe invite you our shri badrinath ji's special hawan anushthan shivir 2010we go to badrinath jiyou welcomeMe: when is it going to happeni got some mail on joining the groupbut the dates > were not clearanurag_shree2006: because we not show datego to photo sectionwe drop kundlisin pitra talgive me your dob, bt, bpi want to check ur kundliMe: OK9 july 8107:15 PMcharkhi dadri28N37 76E16anurag_shree2006: near capital cityMe: Can u tell me If my budh is strong enough to learn astrologyI have told u the lattitude and longitudeu can just fill up that directlyVTW it is 100 KM fromdelhianurag_shree2006: created pishach badha, vish yogmanglikMe: Shani badha in current yearJoote ki tali phat rahi haianurag_shree2006: maata pita h ?Me: for all three pair I haveBilkul theek halat meinanurag_shree2006: sadhana m to aapko safalta ke liye surya pujan pahale karna hogaMe: I am already offering water + milk + sugaranurag_shree2006: which time ?Me: in the morninganurag_shree2006: surya pujan ke liye surya ke ugne se pahale aapko uth kar naha dho kar taiyar ho kar hath m jal aadi le kar taiyar rahana hota h surya ki pahali kiran ko diya hua jal kaam aata > hna ki suraj ugne ke bad diya hua jalMe: yup before sunriswith the mantraanurag_shree2006: 5 grah down h aapki kundli mMe: Om javaa kusuma sankaasham kaashyapayam mahaadyutim Tamoghnam sarva paapaghnam pranato-smi divaakaram Om suryaaya namahanurag_shree2006: aapko jo group se file aayi hwo dekh lenaMe: OK I will see thatbut what is your comment on my surya poojait is basically suggested by my late dada jianurag_shree2006: m sirf guru pujan or mahakali ji ke pujan par dhyan rakhta huor waise bhi aap jo mantra bol rahe hoMe: And this time I am facing hard time in office that's why I never miss any day these daysfor the surya poojaanurag_shree2006: aapko surya ratn ya phir 1 mukhi gol rudraksha ya 12mukhi rudraksha pahanna chahiyeaap bajar ki kitabo se mantra le rahe hguru mukhi gyan chahiye aapkoso first get right guruthen get guru mantra & then get surya mantraMe: How can I proceed for that ?anurag_shree2006: go to marketMe: I mean Where can I find a > GURU ???anurag_shree2006: & get sadhana siddhi vigyan bookor check http://www.ssvbhopal.infowe follow guruso our mantra not sadakchhapprectical sadhana ki power dekhni h to aapkovalga ji ke bij mantra ka 1250000 jap jaldi se jaldi pura karosankalp le kar ki m is karya ki siddhi ke liye aapke bij mantra ka itane dino m jap purn karungaphir dekho kamalMe: So r u suggesting that I sud come to some sadhana place which is hidden from normal publicanurag_shree2006: agar aapko sadhana ke bare m pata hMe: something like sri mali ji had suggested at a lot of placesI know about sadhnaI am bagulamukhi siddhthat's why I am not convinienced about your mantra japanurag_shree2006: aapne shri valga ji ko siddh kiya hua h ?Me: suggestionYeswant me to give you some proofanurag_shree2006: noiam sayaap mujh par shri valga ji ka negetive prayog karem dekhna chahta huiam give u my photoMe: I can't do thatanurag_shree2006: WHY ?Me: Maine jo pran liye the is sadhna se pehle wo > mujhe rokte hain iska bina kisi karan ke upyog karne sebut I can convience you about itanurag_shree2006: adhyatmik safar aapne shuru kar diya h, par aapko ye pata hona chahiye ki sadhana aapne ki h, aapko sadhana m safalta mili h,ye aapko kisi ko bhi nahi batani chahiyeye sadhana ka first rule hsadhana hamesha gopniya honi chahiyem mana nahi karta ki apke pas power nahi hogiMe: mere pas power haianurag_shree2006: phir bhi ye galat h ki aap logo ko kahe ki aapne valga ji sidhh kar rakhi hits totaly wrongMe: lekin main sirf vani vilas se aapko vishwas dila sakta huincan I utter some wordI was just quoting this thing to unot to a general personand telling to u is whyI thought u can enlighten mefor futureanurag_shree2006: first rule ko hamesha follow karnavalga ji se dil se mafi mang lenathen u see you face positive atmosphiarthats all in my sideMe: aum asya srimad bagulamukhi- peetambra-paajar roop satrota mantrasay bhagwan narad rishye namah > shrishi.anushtup chandshe namo mukhe, jagad wayashkri shree peetambra bagulamukhi devetaya namo hardye,anurag_shree2006: nyasMe: hurlimn beejay namo dakshin satne, sawah shaktey namo wam satne, kalim kalikay namo naabho, mam parshanyee mantra tantra aadi krate vipkya khsyartha shreemat peetambra bagla devya preetye, swabheesht siddheye ch jape viniyogar u askingkar nayasang nayasvyapak nayassud I go aheadanurag_shree2006: well pradeep jiaap ek guruek pujaek anushthanMe: aum halim agusthabhayam nampoanurag_shree2006: ek rastaek mantrapakad kar chalogeto manjil mil jayegiMe: tarzinabhayam swahaanurag_shree2006: adhyatm m bhram bahut haap valga ji se jude rahiyeunhe pujiyeunhe guru rum m maniyeunke alawa kisi or ko mat dekhoMe: But anurag jiu didn't helpmeanurag_shree2006: tabhi aapka kalyan h.m aapki help kar raha humera anubhaw hlogo ne internet ke jariyemujhseMe: I told u that I was intrested in ravan sanhitafor its astrological aspectsanurag_shree2006: > ok wait pahale aap meri bat ko samajh loMe: go aheadanurag_shree2006: dekho internet par m hajaro logo se milta hukai logo ko diksha bhi dilwai hkai logo ko pujan samagri bhi bheji hor out side india ke sadhak tolakho Rs. ki sadhana samagri le chuke hhar bar maine sabhi ko yahi kahaek dev-deviek mantraek ishtMe: anurag ji please help meanurag_shree2006: ek raste par chalopar koi mana nahiaaj sabMe: I am not intrested in sadhna right nowanurag_shree2006: jhatke kha kha karMe: I am intrested in astrological aspect of ravan sanhitaSee i have some siddhisanurag_shree2006: What ?Me: and I can only help people who come to meif I am able to spread the astrological aspect thenpeople even without siddhis can help outanurag_shree2006: aap jis raste ko choose kar rahe hiske liyeaap bhopal guruji se bat kareunhone just rawan sanhita par likha hkuchh time pahaleMe: How can I talk to guru jicontact ka jriyaanurag_shree2006: phone no. h site > parhttp://www.ssvbhopal.infoMe: Will they talk to meI mean without any referenceanurag_shree2006: bol dena anurag ne aapke no. diye h jo beawar rajasthan m rahata hkoi dikkat nahiemail mat karnaphone par bat kar lenaMe: Thanks anurag jianurag_shree2006: bhiwani badi hwaha ke book stall par aapko sadhana siddhi vigyan book mil jayegiMe: Kar bhala ho bhalaanurag_shree2006: wo le aanaaap http://www.vnomail.com par jaye or ek id bana leweMe: i will do thatanurag_shree2006: us id ke jariye aap vandenikhilam group ko join kare msn or google tino ne indian's ko business partnership se blacklisted kar rakha hso try to avoid maximum google msnMe: don't worry abt thatI am a soft. engg. as well as hackeranurag_shree2006: hahahahahhhaMe: So I know all the backdoor entryI can very well handle themanurag_shree2006: wow to phir hamare liye bhi kam kariyeMe: tell me how can I help youanurag_shree2006: jo charges ho aap hame bata dijiye ham pay karengeMe: No > as I told earlieranurag_shree2006: visit http://www.vnohosting.com/Me: I don't work for moneyI jusy work for mankindanurag_shree2006: mujhe apna khud ka search engine banana hMe: Khud ka search engine ???anurag_shree2006: or ek site h http://www.freelotto.com iska clone chahiyevnomail ka search enginejaise google ka huski ek script mili thi pahalepar wo galati se delete ho gaim nam bhi bhul gayaMe: Just go yo labs.google.comthey are already supplying customized search engineanurag_shree2006: add url in vnomail.com banana chahta huMe: you just need to set the huristicsand it will work perfectlyanurag_shree2006: vnomail par add url ka system lagana chahta husearch engine lagana chahta huaap mujhe ye bataye freelotto.com jaisi script bana sakate ho ?Me: anurag jilet me speak frankly that I have never visited the site you mentionedLet me check themand then I can get back to youanurag_shree2006: okMe: OK anurag jibye for nowanurag_shree2006: bye > > > ========================= > regards,--Pradeep. > > --- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS > > Friday, December 4, 2009, 11:07 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > > > In the market I have seen a book being sold as Ravan Sanhita. I had gone through a few pages of it at a book stall and I found it to be some spurious publication. > > > > At least the book being sold in the market can not be the genuine Ravan Sanhita. > > > > There are no two opinions that Ravan was a great scholar of his times and was an equally a great learned astrologer who could even command the planets to do his biddings. > > > > Therefore it is quite possible that some where there could be a genuine Ravan Sanhita, if he had written any. > > > > If a genuine Ravan Sanhita exists, then it would be in the hand written manuscript form, copied from generation to generation by some family. > > > > At least I have not heard that even such a manuscript exists. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its development in recent time etc.). > > > > > > Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being being promoted by some professional astrologers. > > > At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature of remedies or prediction methodolo gies used in ravan sanhita. > > > > > > regards,--Pradeep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS > > > > > > Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you once again, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar discuss karke kisi > > > > > > > natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai .un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath jaroor > bantna > > > > > > > chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai > > > > > > > ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par ..magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is > > > > > > > liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi neecha ya uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1005 > > > > > > >           grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya > > > > > > > Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba' > > > > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun. > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from > > > > > > > > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded > > > > > > > > > the image form of the shloks themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rajyam = state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cha = and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakta = red > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patah = cloth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant > > > > > > > line only] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raktam = blood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tambra = copper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cha = and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ta = that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dik = direction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priyah = loving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between > > > > > > > > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers > > > > > > > > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary > > > > > > > > > copper is considered a karak of > > > > > > > Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it > > > > > > > > > says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another > > > > > > > > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have > > > > > > > > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say > > > > > > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a > > > > > > > > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh > > > > > > > > > tamba’ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ sooraj > > > > > > > ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud > > > > > > > > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se > > > > > > > > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai | > > > > > > > > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali > > > > > > > > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash] > > > > > > > > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in this book also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by > > > > > > > > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba > > > > > > > > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh > > > > > > > > > tamba in lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste > > > > > > > > > and taken as > > > > > > > shay of mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three > > > > > > > > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have > > > > > > > > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is > > > > > > > > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in > > > > > > > > > order to understand the significance of copper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur > > > > > > > > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina > > > > > > > > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba > > > > > > > > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya > > > > > > > > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana > > > > > > > > > rah sakta hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend > > > > > > > > > mein khalal dalta > > > > > > > hai' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi > > > > > > > > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop > > > > > > > > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu > > > > > > > > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi. > > > > > > > > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha > > > > > > > > > mein kataksha na rahe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain; > > > > > > > > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par > > > > > > > > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadar sahit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun > > > > > > > Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan > > > > > > > > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar > > > > > > > > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf > > > > > > > > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.? > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai > > > > > > > > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining > > > > > > > wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ > > > > > > > > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan > > > > > > > > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, > > > > > > > > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji > > > > > > > > > aadhi hain. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein > > > > > > > > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye > > > > > > > > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor > > > > > > > > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh > > > > > > > > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf > > > > > > > > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana > > > > > > > > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai > > > > > > > yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin > > > > > > > > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye > > > > > > > > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya > > > > > > > > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to > > > > > > > > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap > > > > > > > > > safai se door kar sakte hain. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai > > > > > > > > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise > > > > > > > > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ > > > > > > > > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se > > > > > > > > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna > > > > > > > > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to > > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.