Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, It is better late than never. Come out of that spiders web. He does not care for Jyotish, or Jyotishis or for any of their causes. Nobody defiles an ashram with a abuse file, but he did it, because it came to him for free, he has not done any hardwork to create it and bring it to the positions what it is . It does not belong to him, it never was his group so why would he think twice to defile it ? Most of his mails are only pompous, self glory, pretentious, haughty, narcissistic, conceited and egotistical. Everybody can see behind that facade of humbleness. He says he is 90% blind, but he knows and reads every word written on every group, and is very much aware of same. Can blind people do this ? He just wants to gain public sympathy always. Always shows that he has got time restraints but always available 24x7 playing games on his Group and elsewhere. He always tries to appear as a well wisher of Astrology or the great science, but is the worst Moderator and person who has spoiled and brough to degenration the great science . Because he did not understand my mails where I repeated and requested hundreds of time in the past, not to allow many replies for free to the advantage seekers, he did not want to understand as he is a remnant of the British who only know to " Divide and rule " and follows the same policy. What happened ? So many good astrologers have left that Group. Others like me and Haresh Nathani opened their own groups. This chap if he had understood , the only other Group that would have remained to explain was Vedic astrology, but this Creep did not understand, and today we have hundreds of runaways who have opened their groups and giving free astrological replies. For me, I wanted to stop this bloody game of giving astrology for free and people treating it like trash, but today, staying in dirt we are also subject to rules of the mafia, and now its too late . This idiot by intelligence did not understand then, nor he understands now. He just feels happy sitting on a throne borrowed from a neighbouring countries citizen, who too have been staying on a part of erstwhile India. But then India has always produced Jaichands from those times immemorial, who serve those who oppress us. And this guy is serving His Master from Bangladesh well. Another treachery he is into. He provides platform to all those who cannot prove their theories in this Group which is undoubetdly the best today. He gives space to those missionaries to hit us back. He is a black spot in the name of Jyotish and will stab his brethren and community members anytime of the day or night without any feeling . He is boasting that within one year the membership has rose to 150o members more after his becoming moderator . He must compare it with J.Ganga which also has the same framework (Of answering reading requests) . With 60 astrologers on board who are continously replying to the queries there , he has just been able to increase the membership with 1500+. In J.Ganga with just one active astrologer the membership in last one year has arisen to 7600+ from 2500+ within one year. Whom is he bragging to and about what ? He has spoiled the goodwill of that Group by allowing all nonsense hate agenda being perpetrated by him. He is using that platform only for hitting back at people whom he does not like. He is using that platform for personal wars and selfish interest. Which is why that Group has now distingreated very much to the bottom. Only certain good members from the old lot have remained there, otherwise all have left. I would have taken him long back, and not allowed him to breathe peacefully, but my bad luck, he is a Brahmin by birth (Though a Kshudra by Karma), so do not want to defile myself with his cries of pains. But let me see, what is my breaking point, after which I will not bother what is he by birth. Bhaskar. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > respected Bhaskar ji > > Thanks for ur mail > yes ,u did told me this several times ,but i was simply on a mission to > support the cause of astrology and as i am not after any benefits ,i > cannot sit idle and that i find only that grp has given only a platform > for such guys ,i am left with no other options > > first i said to the moderater -pls ask this man to proov his tall claims > as i dont want to enter into the scene > 2nd sent some mails which is truth and it will b exposing him without > talking directly but was simple articles on his tall calims on samkhya > darshan > ( it is 2nd part got deleted where i mementioned the diffrnce or > illogics in claims of vinay ji ) > then i wrote mails to stop this in directly in the grp when he strted > Name calling all moderaters as if we r some business managers and we r > against him as if he is some threat to our business interests . > > all mails in last 14 days was held in the name of giving space to proov > a fraud who already exposed with all scholars > > but there will b takers as i got lot of mails asking abt his claims frm > various students and why no one is refuting him ( is it not natural with > them to ask such a question ) > > then again i wrote to the moderater to allow my mails or stop him frm > absusing the ancint knowledge by tampering and showing chandala dosha or > we will also answerable to rishi munies ( if he blv it i dont know ) who > ever created such devine science and left us to keep and protect such > legacy > > Now i got a messge that all my mails is passed ( but i find only 2 mails > which posted in last day and all old mails gone to ashtray it seems )Is > killing /Tampering knowledge is spreading awareness of astrology i dont > know > > i am done with this as my duty is over and now the ball is in thier > court > > thanks for ur support and time > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > You should have known by now, that the Moderator (CEO ??? ) of that > > Group is not a reliable person and changes colours like the chamaleon. > > He is a reptile whom you give milk everyday but would loose not a > moment > > to bite you when it gets the slightest opportunity. He got hold of a > > Astrological Groups moderators seat through what means only God > knows, > > as none of us any members had any clue at that time how he was > > consipiring behind the screen for the same. And he did not even reveal > > to the members that he had become the moderator for few months till I > > did some research and found out that he had become so, because my > mails > > of predictions were not reaching the intended members of that Group. > > This is how he removes good astrologers from that Group by deleting, > > withholding their mails and making them appear like dunces on the > Group. > > He also made friends with every single member who opposed me and > formed > > a gang to harass and torture me in other Groups as well. He did the > most > > henious crime by putting a " Abuse File " in that Groups Files sections > > where he put on record all abusive mails by me to members who were his > > stooges who provocated me into abuse. Does any astrologer even name > sake > > put a Abuse File in a Astro Group for the members to read and hate me > ? > > But he could not succeed because the members know my nature that I do > > not abuse unless provocated. He did wonderful planning to remove me > and > > all other good astrologers from that Group just to stay atop. That > group > > was my initial Home where I got a chance to nurture myself. But this > > zealous man out of zealousy and inferiority complex did all his evil > > continously and finally I left the group out of exasperation and a > sense > > of helplessness . How could he withold the predictive mails to those > > help calls I am still flabbergasted . Such zealousy and evil actions > > have been unsurpassed by anyone till date. He does not know even abc > of > > astrology and has till date never been seen discussing on the > logistics > > of the principles of astrology. > > > > Since last few months he has been sending hate mails about Bhaskar to > at > > least 20 members of the astrological Groups, seeking their opinions > and > > support for going against Bhaskar, but unsuccessfully. He does not > know > > that where Dharma is, Bhaskar is, and Duryodhana with his army could > not > > rout Arjuna where Krishna was. > > > > I had already warned Shri Sunil Nairji not to get friendly with this > > evil man, but he being innocent and child hearted did not pay heed to > my > > warnings and got stuck up with him once again to be shown the door. > Ican > > relate at least 50 tricks about that evil man which he uses on these > > Groups to cause mischief, but we are not here for that. > > > > I once again request Shri Sunil Nairji to stay away from that " Dhongi > > astrologer " or else he will be tainted for no reasons and become a > > object of ridicule in his Group where he is made the caretaker by the > > Bangaldeshi owner whom the Moderator serves, for reasons best known to > > him. > > > > Note- All those whom have not been able to prove their claims on AIA > are > > invited and given shelter there in that Group. Just check the last one > > months mails in that group. Every second mail carries negative > writings > > about this Group. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Nair > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > Here is A reply to one fruad and one moderater of a forum - due > > inferiority complex /lack of subjuct knowledge is holding back my > mails > > and allowing other party to take mileage by approving it ( all my > mails > > for last 14 days r hold back by him ) > > > > > > i wrote to that moderater prvtly 100 times dont allow some one's > > unprooved claims in grp in the name of promoting novices as astrology > > already has mountains of junk created by all neo entrants and it will > > become head ache for new generation who ever will come to learn it ,so > > it is our duty to protect its sanctity > > > > > > now i dont understand what he says when i posted a prvt mail ( > asking > > why my mails r being held ?) -he keep on repeating me to study > ,reserch > > on vinay and his claims and post him ( to help him to understand some > > basics ) so as him to expose some one > > > > > > he is after some secrets > > > > > > here is answer to vinay ji > > > > > > KArye Grahesshu grahana MandanOkhtashwata: param --- > > > --- > > > ekaika liptika sodhya thatsidhe sitagow puna > > > yojyeika valsare saika chatwarimsanmithe kAla > > > pancha trimsath yutha shathe varshe tumke sakathatha > > > yojya eko rahu madhye shodhyekabdatrayathe kala > > > ethath samskra samyukta thatraarkadhya:smrutha > > > > > > i omitted some secrets because u r a brahmachari and maya the mlecha > > dont allow it > > > this is part of a oral tradition ,so i dont want to discuss any more > > with u > > > > > > Now u proov ur software is better than any other software , > > > > > > one more thing > > > > > > All chandrahari's works ( forget i accept or not or wheter we r > using > > it or not ,as i am still doing my reserch work on it )has then i told > u > > ,i cannot take ur software which has not prooved in frnd of learned > > persons nor even general public has even able to downloaded it ) r > > published in all science journals than ur work which u says ask this > > professer or that professer > > > > > > Now u unleshed a propoaganda against all of us without > substantiating > > ur claims > > > > > > All this days ever since u born in net with ur fake propoagnda > > software ( since last 4 months ) ,i asked u only to proov ur worth and > > still i am asking the same only > > > > > > ur claims on avasarpini yuga for population forcaste has already > meet > > dust after i posted 2 article -one on jaina Yuga concepts and other > on > > samkhya darshana which u were saying has vedic approval and u r mixing > > jaina Yuga with samkhya philosophy ( saying in the name of sanction > frm > > vedas and what ever u r saying is brahma vakhya 0 > > > > > > so it become my duty to whistle blow it and i hav already done it > > > > > > so for such persons what i shud call who is even tampering vedic > Laws > > > > > > fake ,fraud or Mahatma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 17/5/09, hari chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > hari chandra_hari18@ > > > Re: Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > " Sunil Nair " astro_tellerkerala@ > > > Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 10:23 AM > > > > > > see all my claims are based on published works. u people allowed > that > > guy to spread his nonsense and AIA and now see he has unleashed > > propaganda against all of us without substantiating all that he > claims. > > > > > > Did he discuss anything of ayanamsa on the net? > > > > > > So many phenomenon happen in the world. > > > > > > Aum Namah Sivaya > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > " Sreenadh " sreesog@, " hari " chandra_hari18@ > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > prashanth > > > > > > i will publish all ur mails last one yr u sent me to all grps > > > > > > why u r holding my mails which i exposed a fraud and allowing some > one > > > to attack me ,do u think i dont know ur agenda or i am a fool > > > > > > i asked some one to proov his false claims which he is failing > > > consistently for last 4 months and then u take this opportunity to > > > tarnish me who upholds the rishi vakyas and i am doing my duty . > > > > > > i am not afriad of any thing > > > > > > u r holding my mails and then allowing a fraud to play against me > > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things not > > suited > > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In > > > AIA he and his > > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly attacked > > me > > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were > > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to bring > them > > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp from > Mr > > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to discuss > > things > > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to > persuade > > > them to discuss anything at all. > > > > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty educated > > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their > > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason > > behind > > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics to > > abuse > > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr Chandrahari > was > > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, which > is > > a > > > fraud, and he was apprehensive > > > that the presence of any person knowing > > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence, he > > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even incited > > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert of > > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became convinced > of > > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed this > > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory he > > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to suit > his > > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr Chandrahari's > > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari's > > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to > Suryasiddhanta. > > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took the > > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should be > > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of > > > millenia > > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a civilized > > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not > aggressive, > > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark of > > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested interests > > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. But > > these > > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all > forums, > > > there is an external world with legal courts and other institutions > > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for me, > > but > > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any legal > > > extent. > > > > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even know > > the > > > definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from astrology. Whom I > > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is not a > > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with > > > proper > > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing. > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually bankrupt > > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that this > > " group > > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing > Suryasiddhanta > > in > > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic " . To > learn > > > one need courage.... " > > > > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is > distinguished > > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all > > fraud. > > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable of > > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real > shaastrartha, > > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which Mr > > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on me > in > > a > > > concerted manner. > > > > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in other > > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here > > > is a simple way to > > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no knowledge > > of > > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who knows > the > > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha. > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) , in > > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas are > > given. > > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made > from > > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic > ( " Shri > > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata > ... " ). > > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting > > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' ('planetary > > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand these > > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing > > mandaphala > > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a > foreign > > > Christian priest like Burgess, or > > > the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic > > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, Kamlakara > > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma > > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are mediaeval > > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his entire > > team > > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of > > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will > > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of > AIA > > as > > > my gurus. > > > > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the equation > of > > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more complex. > > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not be > > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula > which > > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable > > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of > > > calculators in > > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake > > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, > preferably > > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this > formula > > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda Tables > are > > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by > Late > > Pt > > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba Surabhaarati > > > Prakaashan, Varanasi. > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. Can he > > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ? > > > > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in > > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to > abusing > > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But > these > > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of Makaranda > > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue. > > > > > > In > > > the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent > remarks. > > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when some > > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c are > > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system because > it > > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta strictly > > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who abuse > > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without > > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special > > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my > > software > > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala formula as > > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong formula of > > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This > fellow > > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit universities, > > govt > > > Sanskrit academies and other > > > reputed institutions have accepted me as an > > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according to Mr > > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers. > > > > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they > fail > > to > > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or me? > Let > > us > > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I > have > > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in > > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct answer, > they > > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if asked > > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions where > > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last words are > > that > > > it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them against > a > > > brahmachaari. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======================= ==== > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the " sense " > > > with > > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and > tells > > > you > > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and > positions > > > of > > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject > of > > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for > > truth. > > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group > has > > > no > > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the right > > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may be an > > > authority > > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a life > > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you people > > from > > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. Real > > > > knowledge comes when > > > one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored > > > to > > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is > > there > > > in > > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than > pursuing > > > the > > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. You > > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do > things > > > for > > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the > > > ancient > > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be victims > > > of > > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions > and > > to > > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking > courage > > > and > > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with > > > Win XP > > > SP-3. > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means > > > version > > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with > the > > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while > > > > installation. > > > > > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not > all, > > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009, > > > uninstall > > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new > package > > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon that page : > > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other > > versions. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ================= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM > > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal > ji > > > are > > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of > modern > > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove > these > > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on > > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely > > > > charging > > > > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an > " outdated " > > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no > difficulty > > in > > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt > with > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts > > > by > > > > a > > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA > > > > > managers./// ///// > > > > > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software > > > > > Dear Group members > > > > > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software. > > > > > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my notebook > > > > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It > is > > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working > > > perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari > > dasa > > > or > > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type > Mismatch " > > > > error. > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this > software > > > with > > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore > > > I am unable to > > > > comment > > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily > > > > compliment > > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested. > Most > > > of > > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively. > > > > > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve > > this > > > > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " . > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology > > /message/ > > > > 17716 > > > > > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? 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Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 To All As I earlier said to this fellow (Mr Sunil Nair), first chapter of Suryasiddhanta and second chapter of BPHS (besides Puranas and epics) call astrological Grahas as deities, and if Mr Nair does not read shaastras it is not my fault for which he abuses me( " mlechchha, fraud...) . As for Sham Kansal Ji's comments on Kundalee, Today I saw a mail from Mr Sunil Nair in which he referred to message no. 60216 which I had missed, although I try my best not to miss any message related to me. I am not a member of AIA now, and I have to rely on memory for what went on in AIA. Now I learnt after seeing message no. 60216 that Mr Shyam Kansal had made a comment on Sarvatobhadra, calling Kundalee's treatment of Sarvatobhadra to be most exhaustive. Moreover, he said he had no difficulty in installing Kundalee (AIA managers were saying earlier that Kundalee cannot be installed at all). I repeated this message by my memory, with an erroneous replacemeny of Sarvatobhadra with Ashtakavarga (since Mr Shyam Kansal's name is associated with Ashtakavarga, I had a feeling that his comment was on it). I cannot retrieve AIA messages because I am not a member. Hence, relying on memory about some correspondence 5 months ago caused this lapse. But if Mr Kansal complimented me for dealing exhaustively with Sarvatobhadra instead of Ashtakavarga, does it make me a mlechchha and fraud ?? Then, I searched my own archives, and got my reply to Kansal Ji which is long, I reproduce pertinent parts here : <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ....The perfection I claim is not about prediction, which depends upon many extraneous factors too, but about accuracy of TIMING of events. Run time error 13 is not due to defect in software, but due to imperfect download. Even if a single person has downloaded it on SP3 and is using it without any runtime error, other users should have problems elsewhere. [ See /message/17673 , where Ram Jaswal said " I am using XP Pro Sp3 and have had No issues installing the software – however software seems to revert to Hindi output for other menu selections otherthan Planet info in English even after selecting English as " default " language? " . English version has not been fully translated, but all essential pages have been translated excepting Varsha-phala and ashtaka-varga. It is not an installation problem. If one member has installed it successfully, why the moderator bhagavathi said " only Ram Jaswalji could install the SW on SP3, even that was not issue-free " ( /message/17708 ).] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Sunil Nair has no interest in testing Kundalee. Why he cannot forget it ?? Kundalee is a freeware , but not for abusers at any cost. He and his gang should keep away from it. I do not want to waste my time in bullfights. -Vinay Jha ======================= ==== , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > dear prashanth ji > > we got some one who can giv us degrees of deities /Gods and devils so > we shud entertain him as maya the mlecha -the mayasura appeared in frnd > of him personally and giv him all this knowledge .Which even parasara and > varahmihira don't got it as they r married or produced kids . > > he even twisted my last mail which i realy exposed his claim on that > pioneer software devlpers appreciated his SW like syam kansal ji pls re > read it then what shud i call such guys ?? a mahtama ??,is lieing is > required to support a divine cause if he is a real monk . > > Here is the mail i posted which triggered all my anger > > /message/60216 > > I never go for downloading his sw as i know who is he and i know what i > am doing . > > i already posted 2 articles ,one on jaina time periods and other on > samkhya darshana to expose his another fraud which he says the method > his population prediction is supported by samkhya darshana where as it > is just a word wise adaptation frm jaina yugas .To cook up a theory > .Such ppl r on increase ever since the net forums started ( we r dealing > with such kinds on daily basis in grp) .Even a dozen mails i sent u > prvtly to stop this discussions or ask him to proov than allowing him to > jumping frm one discussion to another and he was really a sort of > hijacked all grps in the name of suryasidhantha .if he was not prepared > he shud take enough time to do a public appearance , > some mails which exposed him is already gone into moderation by u and u > r already aware of it ,even i sent u so many personal mails ( u can post > every mail in grp as i dont hav much time left for typing every thing > and i dont want to communicate or answer shri vinay ji unless he produce > real evidence for his tall claims otherwise i will discard all his > mails ) > > Now ur ( not urs but By group )turn to name call me and support him on > his stupid venture who hijacked all vedic astrology grps and even after > 4 months also he cud not proov or moov one inch frm the day one > > i can produce all my communications requesting him to explain or asking him to pls get out frm our grp ( ancient indian astrology-- where as > in every mail in this very grp he is abusing by calling ancient indian > astrology moderaters as managers as if we r doing some business venture > ,where as many of the memebrs in this grp or all grps is also members > of that forum and all r equaly given chance to explain their stand on > any thing and i explained many times to him i cannot sit to direct their > posts ) ,finally he resigned in the name of some one mentioned liquor > while a tantric discussion were going on .As i told him to explain his > stand or i will hav to take action as i wont allow any one to waiste > others time . > > u ppl can carry on this discussion and i welcome ur name calling shud > directed towards me only and allow this fellow to escape frm his own > created hell . > > i am ready waiting for ur judgment and u ppl can judge me and call > anything now .I am thankful to mr prashanth ji for passing my mail and > i blv my duty to astrology /rishies /acharyas and gurus and to the new > students is finished . > > rgrds sunil nair > > i ask every senior memebr in this august forum to forgiv me any way my > laungage has hurt them as i was trying to communicate last 2 weeks and > every mail has gone into moderation ,so i was left with no option .( > sure shri prashanth ji was trying his best to maintain peace in the > forum ) > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > gbp_kumar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sunil ji > > > > first of all It is wrong to call someone fraud as he is not making any > money from any forum for selling s/w or members seeking any case > readings from him. > > > > about the systems he is propogating or trying to make us understand he > is surely impatient > > wants everyone to be on same page and understand, use his system > > > > we all know only max his students can do so again not all as not all > may learn the same from the same guru as has been parasara and Jaimini > been Guru-shishyas with diff approaches > > > > in such a case even if the s/w gives a good platform and he uses a > version of BPHS whish is different from some of us at least > > > > and we may also NOT BE APPLYING SME PRINCIPLES > > > > LIKE HE HAS IN DEATH THE diff PINDA and D30 IF U SEE THERE R MANY > VERSIONS OF bphs AND ALSO MANY VARIATIONS IN VARGA CALCULATIONS j r > sheshadri iyer has his own set of them used by many s/w HE HAS WRITTEN A > FEW BOOKS ON VARGAS > > > > AGAIN THE EXALTATION mt OF RAHU, KETU is diff by diff versions of BPHS > > > > some use MEAN rahu but other grahas use true values > > > > some use 360 days dasas some 365.25 days > > > > dasha by degree, dasha by time > > > > sun rise some use center of sun some edge of sun? > > > > may variables exist > > > > and in such a old subject and such a vast country many regional, > ethnic flavors exist no one can CLAIM monopoly on the subject > > > > we can all learn from each and everyone present and willing to share > info > > > > from my side i feel he has a few good works just is a bit impatient on > members not testing it and then questiong it > > > > he has agreed to provide case studies > > > > biographical case studies etc so he is working on it let us give him > time, space needed > > > > encourage someone doing good research, let his work be judged in time > not by impatience, arrogance > > > > a knowledgeable society, forum will handle differences with some > logical questions, answers, discussions in free , fair non INSULTING > MANNER > > > > > > don't worry we r a matured lot and will respect views from one and all > in the spirit it has to be dealt > > > > if we r treated badly surely at times we have to give back badly not > all times > > > > TREAT FELLOW MEMBERS LIKE U WANT TO BE TREATED > > > > best wishes > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ________________________________ > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:19:04 PM > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the " sense " > with > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and tells > you > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and positions > of > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject of > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for truth. > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group has > no > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the right > > wisdom/interpretati on. You guys don't understand who may be an > authority > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a life > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you people from > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. Real > > knowledge comes when one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored > to > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is there > in > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than pursuing > the > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. You > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do things > for > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the > ancient > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be victims > of > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions and to > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking courage > and > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth. > > > > sunil nair > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with Win XP > SP-3. > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means > version > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with the > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while > > installation. > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not all, > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009, > uninstall > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new package > > fromhttp://kundalee .wikidot. com/ from the first linkon that page : > > http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 72e639b7. html > > > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other versions. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ===== ===== > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal ji > are > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of modern > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove these > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely > > charging > > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an " outdated " > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no difficulty in > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt with > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts > by > > a > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA > > > managers./// ///// > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software > > > Dear Group members > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software. > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my notebook > > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It is > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working > perfectly. > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari dasa > or > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " > > error. > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this software > with > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore I am unable to > > comment > > > about calculations aspect at the moment. > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily > > compliment > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested. Most > of > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively. > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve this > > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " . > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ > > 17716 > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? WAT A SOFTWARE GOT INSTALLED > HAS > > > TO DO WITH PROOF OF SAURA PAKSHA IS CORRECT ?? > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (To Moderator : it is a curtailed and balanced response ) To All : I repeat my proposition made earlier in this thread : " If Mr Sunil Nair and his entire team of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of AIA as my gurus. " For details, see my previous post in this thread. I had said " If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula which can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of calculators in those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. " Is it not enough to settle the issue ? But I knew Mr Sunil Nair will never be able to answer this simple question. He wrongly says he " never claimed tall in any grp " , because in same post he says " why i need to giv u our hard earned secrets to u ? " He speaks on behalf of a team ( " our " ), and claims of " secrets " . I never said I possess secrets. In my previous posts, I clearly said I discovered nothing new, but only presented old things in the form of a software. Mr Sunil Nair runs away from shaastraartha but saying " u r challenge is peanuts ,there is a 32 yr old boy in our team he can meet u " . I say I will renounce Suryasiddhanta and become his disciple and can stake anything (my life and everything I possess) if the entire team of Mr Nair, assisted by all professors, answer my simple question which a 21 year student of Ganitaachaarya is expected to know ? Why Mr Nair is running away and taking refuge in abuses and diversionary tactics ? -VJ =============== =================== , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > u proov u r right first and we never need to proov any thing ,as i never > claimed tall in any grp . > > even u never prooved anything ,so how can i interact with frauds who > says they knows everything and their vakya is brahma vakya and says > apasarpini jaina yuga is samkhya and has approval veda 's > > pls dont waiste my time and u waisted others 4 months time in various > grps > > u r challenge is peanuts ,there is a 32 yr old boy in our team he can > meet u in case u proov ur worth first ,then let us see > u and all ur sanskrit prfessors r welcome to proov first > > u do ur duty first > > i did expose u man who says sunil nair and i share same system where as > i pointed out the lie in ur mail that senior software devlpers > appreciated ur SW (only real software developers like PVR and Shyam > Kansal ji are > > sympathetic and unbiased > > The truth was they cud not operate it ,except the sarvotobhadra chakra > > /message/60216 > > why u need 1000 lies to support u who says i am a monk ?? > > what if i proov some formula has to do with ur SW ,as u already dont > know any thing > > u hav to proov u r worth than i proov i am correct > > it is what i was asking u all this last 4 months > > > > my work is finished here ,i giv enough warning to all and it was my > aim and i done it . > > did u even tried to do one prediction on election results ( prashanth ji > asked u too ) who says billions and billions of yrs accuracy .Did i > claim so ?? > > how many memebrs in various grps asked u to predict realy for future > date for one city atleast . > > why i need to giv u our hard earned secrets to u ?? > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team > > > > To All, > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things not > suited > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In AIA he and his > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly attacked > me > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to bring them > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp from Mr > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to discuss > things > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to persuade > > them to discuss anything at all. > > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty educated > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason > behind > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics to > abuse > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr Chandrahari was > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, which is > a > > fraud, and he was apprehensive that the presence of any person > knowing > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence, he > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even incited > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert of > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became convinced of > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed this > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory he > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to suit his > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr Chandrahari's > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari's > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to Suryasiddhanta. > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took the > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should be > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of > millenia > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a civilized > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not aggressive, > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark of > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested interests > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. But > these > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all forums, > > there is an external world with legal courts and other institutions > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for me, > but > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any legal > > extent. > > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even know > the > > definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from astrology. Whom I > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is not a > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with proper > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing. > > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually bankrupt > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that this > " group > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta > in > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic " . To learn > > one need courage.... " > > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is distinguished > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all > fraud. > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable of > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real shaastrartha, > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which Mr > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on me in > a > > concerted manner. > > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in other > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here is a simple way to > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no knowledge > of > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who knows the > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha. > > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) , in > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas are > given. > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made from > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic ( " Shri > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata .... " ). > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' ('planetary > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand these > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing > mandaphala > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a foreign > > Christian priest like Burgess, or the whole tradition of > Suryasiddhantic > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, Kamlakara > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are mediaeval > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his entire > team > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of AIA > as > > my gurus. > > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the equation of > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more complex. > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not be > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula which > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of calculators in > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, preferably > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this formula > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda Tables are > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by Late > Pt > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba Surabhaarati > > Prakaashan, Varanasi. > > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. Can he > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ? > > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to abusing > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But these > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of Makaranda > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue. > > > > In the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent > remarks. > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when some > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c are > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system because it > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta strictly > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who abuse > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my > software > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala formula as > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong formula of > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This fellow > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit universities, > govt > > Sanskrit academies and other reputed institutions have accepted me as > an > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according to Mr > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers. > > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they fail > to > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or me? Let > us > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I have > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct answer, they > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if asked > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions where > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last words are > that > > it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them against a > > brahmachaari. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======================= ==== > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the " sense " > > with > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and tells > > you > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and positions > > of > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject of > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for > truth. > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group has > > no > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the right > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may be an > > authority > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a > life > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you people > from > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. Real > > > knowledge comes when one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored > > to > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is > there > > in > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than pursuing > > the > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. You > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do things > > for > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the > > ancient > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be victims > > of > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions and > to > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking courage > > and > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth. > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with Win XP > > SP-3. > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means > > version > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with the > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while > > > installation. > > > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not all, > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009, > > uninstall > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new package > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon that page > : > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html > > > > > > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other > versions. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ================= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal ji > > are > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of modern > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove these > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely > > > charging > > > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an " outdated " > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no difficulty > in > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt with > > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts > > by > > > a > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA > > > > managers./// ///// > > > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software > > > > Dear Group members > > > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software. > > > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my notebook > > > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It is > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working > > perfectly. > > > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari > dasa > > or > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " > > > error. > > > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this software > > with > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore I am unable to > > > comment > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment. > > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily > > > compliment > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested. Most > > of > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively. > > > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve > this > > > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " . > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology > /message/ > > > 17716 > > > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? WAT A SOFTWARE GOT INSTALLED > > HAS > > > > TO DO WITH PROOF OF SAURA PAKSHA IS CORRECT ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 respected bhaskar ji yes,still after my Last call for prooving all tall claims By shri Vinay Now they r busy unneccessarily discussing on each word every memebr posted is it relevent or not or is it civilised on not still the grp is going in same direction Now they r discussing wat is fraud ,what is bankruptcy etc I find such churcha in some old tea shops and barbershops All this could hav avoided if the so called moderater/astrologer take right steps and driv discussion in proper directions .Now it has become a assylum for time waisters i blv .I was asking that moderater all these days to do it himself without me entering into the scene ( also i hav so many other work ) as i know any kind of asking for proof will treated as attack and all will b grped against him as they know themselvs that they r not equiped for such serious discussions .even i was avoiding such clash ,and i was forced to enter into arena by some students who got stuck with all such claims and it was hampering in their study by giving doubts to them and even they felt ( even they got a feeling that all their hard work is a waiste ) that they r at some cross roads and dont know where to go who was responsible for such situation unless and until some one answer such requests prsonaly no body knows the pain of such ppl who in the name of peace in forum and modesty spoiling and allowing to tamper all ancient dictums here there is no one to study what ever is given to them ,all r after secrets ,even without proper basics strong all wants secrets first ,all wants to talk big and act big even Now i saw mails asking my knowledge abt surya sidhantha than he is prooving himself ,means he is allowed to prolong such nasty discussions rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > It is better late than never. Come out of that spiders web. He does not> care for Jyotish, or Jyotishis or for any of their causes. Nobody> defiles an ashram with a abuse file, but he did it, because it came to> him for free, he has not done any hardwork to create it and bring it to> the positions what it is . It does not belong to him, it never was his> group so why would he think twice to defile it ? Most of his mails are> only pompous, self glory, pretentious, haughty, narcissistic, conceited> and egotistical. Everybody can see behind that facade of humbleness. He> says he is 90% blind, but he knows and reads every word written on every> group, and is very much aware of same. Can blind people do this ? He> just wants to gain public sympathy always. Always shows that he has got> time restraints but always available 24x7 playing games on his Group and> elsewhere. He always tries to appear as a well wisher of Astrology or> the great science, but is the worst Moderator and person who has spoiled> and brough to degenration the great science . Because he did not> understand my mails where I repeated and requested hundreds of time in> the past, not to allow many replies for free to the advantage seekers,> he did not want to understand as he is a remnant of the British who only> know to "Divide and rule"and follows the same policy. What happened ? So> many good astrologers have left that Group. Others like me and Haresh> Nathani opened their own groups. This chap if he had understood , the> only other Group that would have remained to explain was Vedic> astrology, but this Creep did not understand, and today we have hundreds> of runaways who have opened their groups and giving free astrological> replies. For me, I wanted to stop this bloody game of giving astrology> for free and people treating it like trash, but today, staying in dirt> we are also subject to rules of the mafia, and now its too late . This> idiot by intelligence did not understand then, nor he understands now.> He just feels happy sitting on a throne borrowed from a neighbouring> countries citizen, who too have been staying on a part of erstwhile> India. But then India has always produced Jaichands from those times> immemorial, who serve those who oppress us. And this guy is serving His> Master from Bangladesh well.> > Another treachery he is into. He provides platform to all those who> cannot prove their theories in this Group which is undoubetdly the best> today. He gives space to those missionaries to hit us back. He is a> black spot in the name of Jyotish and will stab his brethren and> community members anytime of the day or night without any feeling .> > He is boasting that within one year the membership has rose to 150o> members more after his becoming moderator . He must compare it with> J.Ganga which also has the same framework (Of answering reading> requests) . With 60 astrologers on board who are continously replying to> the queries there , he has just been able to increase the membership> with 1500+. In J.Ganga with just one active astrologer the membership in> last one year has arisen to 7600+ from 2500+ within one year. Whom is he> bragging to and about what ? He has spoiled the goodwill of that Group> by allowing all nonsense hate agenda being perpetrated by him. He is> using that platform only for hitting back at people whom he does not> like. He is using that platform for personal wars and selfish interest.> Which is why that Group has now distingreated very much to the bottom.> > Only certain good members from the old lot have remained there,> otherwise all have left.> > I would have taken him long back, and not allowed him to breathe> peacefully, but my bad luck, he is a Brahmin by birth (Though a Kshudra> by Karma), so do not want to defile myself with his cries of pains.> > But let me see, what is my breaking point, after which I will not bother> what is he by birth.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > respected Bhaskar ji> >> > Thanks for ur mail> > yes ,u did told me this several times ,but i was simply on a mission> to> > support the cause of astrology and as i am not after any benefits ,i> > cannot sit idle and that i find only that grp has given only a> platform> > for such guys ,i am left with no other options> >> > first i said to the moderater -pls ask this man to proov his tall> claims> > as i dont want to enter into the scene> > 2nd sent some mails which is truth and it will b exposing him without> > talking directly but was simple articles on his tall calims on samkhya> > darshan> > ( it is 2nd part got deleted where i mementioned the diffrnce or> > illogics in claims of vinay ji )> > then i wrote mails to stop this in directly in the grp when he strted> > Name calling all moderaters as if we r some business managers and we r> > against him as if he is some threat to our business interests .> >> > all mails in last 14 days was held in the name of giving space to> proov> > a fraud who already exposed with all scholars> >> > but there will b takers as i got lot of mails asking abt his claims> frm> > various students and why no one is refuting him ( is it not natural> with> > them to ask such a question )> >> > then again i wrote to the moderater to allow my mails or stop him frm> > absusing the ancint knowledge by tampering and showing chandala dosha> or> > we will also answerable to rishi munies ( if he blv it i dont know )> who> > ever created such devine science and left us to keep and protect such> > legacy> >> > Now i got a messge that all my mails is passed ( but i find only 2> mails> > which posted in last day and all old mails gone to ashtray it seems> )Is> > killing /Tampering knowledge is spreading awareness of astrology i> dont> > know> >> > i am done with this as my duty is over and now the ball is in thier> > court> >> > thanks for ur support and time> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > >> > > You should have known by now, that the Moderator (CEO ??? ) of that> > > Group is not a reliable person and changes colours like the> chamaleon.> > > He is a reptile whom you give milk everyday but would loose not a> > moment> > > to bite you when it gets the slightest opportunity. He got hold of a> > > Astrological Groups moderators seat through what means only God> > knows,> > > as none of us any members had any clue at that time how he was> > > consipiring behind the screen for the same. And he did not even> reveal> > > to the members that he had become the moderator for few months till> I> > > did some research and found out that he had become so, because my> > mails> > > of predictions were not reaching the intended members of that Group.> > > This is how he removes good astrologers from that Group by deleting,> > > withholding their mails and making them appear like dunces on the> > Group.> > > He also made friends with every single member who opposed me and> > formed> > > a gang to harass and torture me in other Groups as well. He did the> > most> > > henious crime by putting a "Abuse File" in that Groups Files> sections> > > where he put on record all abusive mails by me to members who were> his> > > stooges who provocated me into abuse. Does any astrologer even name> > sake> > > put a Abuse File in a Astro Group for the members to read and hate> me> > ?> > > But he could not succeed because the members know my nature that I> do> > > not abuse unless provocated. He did wonderful planning to remove me> > and> > > all other good astrologers from that Group just to stay atop. That> > group> > > was my initial Home where I got a chance to nurture myself. But this> > > zealous man out of zealousy and inferiority complex did all his evil> > > continously and finally I left the group out of exasperation and a> > sense> > > of helplessness . How could he withold the predictive mails to those> > > help calls I am still flabbergasted . Such zealousy and evil actions> > > have been unsurpassed by anyone till date. He does not know even abc> > of> > > astrology and has till date never been seen discussing on the> > logistics> > > of the principles of astrology.> > >> > > Since last few months he has been sending hate mails about Bhaskar> to> > at> > > least 20 members of the astrological Groups, seeking their opinions> > and> > > support for going against Bhaskar, but unsuccessfully. He does not> > know> > > that where Dharma is, Bhaskar is, and Duryodhana with his army could> > not> > > rout Arjuna where Krishna was.> > >> > > I had already warned Shri Sunil Nairji not to get friendly with this> > > evil man, but he being innocent and child hearted did not pay heed> to> > my> > > warnings and got stuck up with him once again to be shown the door.> > Ican> > > relate at least 50 tricks about that evil man which he uses on these> > > Groups to cause mischief, but we are not here for that.> > >> > > I once again request Shri Sunil Nairji to stay away from that> "Dhongi> > > astrologer" or else he will be tainted for no reasons and become a> > > object of ridicule in his Group where he is made the caretaker by> the> > > Bangaldeshi owner whom the Moderator serves, for reasons best known> to> > > him.> > >> > > Note- All those whom have not been able to prove their claims on AIA> > are> > > invited and given shelter there in that Group. Just check the last> one> > > months mails in that group. Every second mail carries negative> > writings> > > about this Group.> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Sunil Nair> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dear grp> > > >> > > > Here is A reply to one fruad and one moderater of a forum - due> > > inferiority complex /lack of subjuct knowledge is holding back my> > mails> > > and allowing other party to take mileage by approving it ( all my> > mails> > > for last 14 days r hold back by him )> > > >> > > > i wrote to that moderater prvtly 100 times dont allow some one's> > > unprooved claims in grp in the name of promoting novices as> astrology> > > already has mountains of junk created by all neo entrants and it> will> > > become head ache for new generation who ever will come to learn it> ,so> > > it is our duty to protect its sanctity> > > >> > > > now i dont understand what he says when i posted a prvt mail (> > asking> > > why my mails r being held ?) -he keep on repeating me to study> > ,reserch> > > on vinay and his claims and post him ( to help him to understand> some> > > basics ) so as him to expose some one> > > >> > > > he is after some secrets> > > >> > > > here is answer to vinay ji> > > >> > > > KArye Grahesshu grahana MandanOkhtashwata: param ---> > > > ---> > > > ekaika liptika sodhya thatsidhe sitagow puna> > > > yojyeika valsare saika chatwarimsanmithe kAla> > > > pancha trimsath yutha shathe varshe tumke sakathatha> > > > yojya eko rahu madhye shodhyekabdatrayathe kala> > > > ethath samskra samyukta thatraarkadhya:smrutha> > > >> > > > i omitted some secrets because u r a brahmachari and maya the> mlecha> > > dont allow it> > > > this is part of a oral tradition ,so i dont want to discuss any> more> > > with u> > > >> > > > Now u proov ur software is better than any other software ,> > > >> > > > one more thing> > > >> > > > All chandrahari's works ( forget i accept or not or wheter we r> > using> > > it or not ,as i am still doing my reserch work on it )has then i> told> > u> > > ,i cannot take ur software which has not prooved in frnd of learned> > > persons nor even general public has even able to downloaded it ) r> > > published in all science journals than ur work which u says ask this> > > professer or that professer> > > >> > > > Now u unleshed a propoaganda against all of us without> > substantiating> > > ur claims> > > >> > > > All this days ever since u born in net with ur fake propoagnda> > > software ( since last 4 months ) ,i asked u only to proov ur worth> and> > > still i am asking the same only> > > >> > > > ur claims on avasarpini yuga for population forcaste has already> > meet> > > dust after i posted 2 article -one on jaina Yuga concepts and other> > on> > > samkhya darshana which u were saying has vedic approval and u r> mixing> > > jaina Yuga with samkhya philosophy ( saying in the name of sanction> > frm> > > vedas and what ever u r saying is brahma vakhya 0> > > >> > > > so it become my duty to whistle blow it and i hav already done it> > > >> > > > so for such persons what i shud call who is even tampering vedic> > Laws> > > >> > > > fake ,fraud or Mahatma> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 17/5/09, hari chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hari chandra_hari18@> > > > Re: Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts> > > > "Sunil Nair" astro_tellerkerala@> > > > Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > >> > > > see all my claims are based on published works. u people allowed> > that> > > guy to spread his nonsense and AIA and now see he has unleashed> > > propaganda against all of us without substantiating all that he> > claims.> > > >> > > > Did he discuss anything of ayanamsa on the net?> > > >> > > > So many phenomenon happen in the world.> > > >> > > > Aum Namah Sivaya> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts> > > > "Sreenadh" sreesog@, "hari" chandra_hari18@> > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:29 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > prashanth> > > >> > > > i will publish all ur mails last one yr u sent me to all grps> > > >> > > > why u r holding my mails which i exposed a fraud and allowing some> > one> > > > to attack me ,do u think i dont know ur agenda or i am a fool> > > >> > > > i asked some one to proov his false claims which he is failing> > > > consistently for last 4 months and then u take this opportunity to> > > > tarnish me who upholds the rishi vakyas and i am doing my duty .> > > >> > > > i am not afriad of any thing> > > >> > > > u r holding my mails and then allowing a fraud to play against me> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vinayjhaa16"> vinayjhaa16@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team> > > >> > > > To All,> > > >> > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things not> > > suited> > > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In> > > > AIA he and his> > > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly> attacked> > > me> > > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were> > > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to bring> > them> > > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp from> > Mr> > > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to discuss> > > things> > > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to> > persuade> > > > them to discuss anything at all.> > > >> > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty educated> > > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their> > > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason> > > behind> > > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics to> > > abuse> > > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr Chandrahari> > was> > > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, which> > is> > > a> > > > fraud, and he was apprehensive> > > > that the presence of any person knowing> > > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence,> he> > > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even> incited> > > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert of> > > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became convinced> > of> > > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed> this> > > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory he> > > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to suit> > his> > > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr> Chandrahari's> > > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari's> > > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to> > Suryasiddhanta.> > > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took> the> > > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should be> > > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of> > > > millenia> > > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a civilized> > > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not> > aggressive,> > > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark> of> > > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested> interests> > > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. But> > > these> > > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all > > forums,> > > > there is an external world with legal courts and other> institutions> > > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for> me,> > > but> > > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any> legal> > > > extent.> > > >> > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even> know> > > the> > > > definition of "fraud". I never earned a paisa from astrology. Whom> I> > > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is not> a> > > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with> > > > proper> > > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing.> > > >> > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually bankrupt> > > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that this> > > "group> > > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing> > Suryasiddhanta> > > in> > > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic". To> > learn> > > > one need courage...."> > > >> > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is> > distinguished> > > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all> > > fraud.> > > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable> of> > > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real> > shaastrartha,> > > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which Mr> > > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on me> > in> > > a> > > > concerted manner.> > > >> > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in other> > > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here> > > > is a simple way to> > > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no> knowledge> > > of> > > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who knows> > the> > > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha.> > > >> > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) ,> in> > > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas are> > > given.> > > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made> > from> > > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic> > ("Shri> > > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata> > ...").> > > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting> > > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' ('planetary> > > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand> these> > > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing> > > mandaphala> > > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a> > foreign> > > > Christian priest like Burgess, or> > > > the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic> > > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna,> Kamlakara> > > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma> > > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are mediaeval> > > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his entire> > > team> > > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of> > > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will> > > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of> > AIA> > > as> > > > my gurus.> > > >> > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the equation> > of> > > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more complex.> > > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not> be> > > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula> > which> > > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable> > > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of> > > > calculators in> > > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake> > > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time,> > preferably> > > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this> > formula> > > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda Tables> > are> > > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by> > Late> > > Pt> > > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba Surabhaarati> > > > Prakaashan, Varanasi.> > > >> > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. Can> he> > > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ?> > > >> > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in> > > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to> > abusing> > > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But> > these> > > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of> Makaranda> > > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue.> > > >> > > > In> > > > the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent> > remarks.> > > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when some> > > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c> are> > > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system> because> > it> > > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta strictly> > > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who abuse> > > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without> > > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special> > > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my> > > software> > > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala formula> as> > > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong formula> of> > > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This> > fellow> > > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit> universities,> > > govt> > > > Sanskrit academies and other> > > > reputed institutions have accepted me as an> > > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be "killed' according to Mr> > > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers.> > > >> > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they> > fail> > > to> > > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or me?> > Let> > > us> > > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I> > have> > > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in> > > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct answer,> > they> > > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if> asked> > > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions where> > > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last words are> > > that> > > > it is "rahasyam brahma sammitam". Let me see who helps them> against> > a> > > > brahmachaari.> > > >> > > > -Vinay Jha> > > > ======================= ====> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear grp> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the> "sense"> > > > with> > > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and> > tells> > > > you> > > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and> > positions> > > > of> > > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject> > of> > > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for> > > truth.> > > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group> > has> > > > no> > > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the> right> > > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may be an> > > > authority> > > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a> life> > > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you> people> > > from> > > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer.> Real> > > > > knowledge comes when> > > > one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored> > > > to> > > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is> > > there> > > > in> > > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than> > pursuing> > > > the> > > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group.> You> > > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do> > things> > > > for> > > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the> > > > ancient> > > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be> victims> > > > of> > > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions> > and> > > to> > > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking> > courage> > > > and> > > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with> > > > Win XP> > > > SP-3.> > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means> > > > version> > > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with> > the> > > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while> > > > > installation.> > > > > >> > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not> > all,> > > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009,> > > > uninstall> > > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new> > package> > > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon that page> :> > > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other> > > versions.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Vinay Jha> > > > > > ================= =====> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM> > > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal> > ji> > > > are> > > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of> > modern> > > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove> > these> > > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on> > > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh> falsely> > > > > charging> > > > > > > me of making an "uninstallable" software based on an> > "outdated"> > > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no> > difficulty> > > in> > > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt> > with> > > > > > >> > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts> > > > by> > > > > a> > > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA> > > > > > managers./// /////> > > > > >> > > > > > Re: Kundalee software> > > > > > Dear Group members> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my> notebook> > > > > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It> > is> > > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working> > > > perfectly.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari> > > dasa> > > > or> > > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns "Run time error 13, Type> > Mismatch"> > > > > error.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this> > software> > > > with> > > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore> > > > I am unable to> > > > > comment> > > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily> > > > > compliment> > > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested.> > Most> > > > of> > > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide> > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively.> > > > > >> > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve> > > this> > > > > > problem of "Run time error 13, Type Mismatch".> > > > > >> > > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > > Shyam S. Kansal> > > > > >> > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology> > > /message/> > > > > 17716> > > > > >> > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? 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Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, Yes I am aware of whats going on there. They never had serious discussions on astrology since this chap joined there as the new moderator. The quality of the Group disintegrated to dismal levels . This software maker once chided me here about his high connections and his not taking fees for his software or for astrology. I then told him (On this Group itself) in reply to please send his big connections to me as customers so that at least I could make good money . This software maker took my comments seriously and is now talking in that Group, that I need customers from him, and wanted to beffriend him. What a waste of his misplaced intelligence if he has any. He thinks I need customers from him ? I am sitting in the commercial capital of India and need his connections ??? I already have good orders anytime of the year with Gods grace, and at least 10-15 pending orders anytime of the week. Why do I need customers from any Tom Dick and Harry for that matter ? Everybody knows I am self repsecting person and will not ask for such bounties and never bow my head to Grass headed people like him. Another thing, I have never tried to befriend him, what rubbish is he talking about ? He is not fit to be my friend , he is a time waster, since last 4 months he is making a fool of all the members on various groups, he cannot even produce a downloadable software, he cannot talk on astrology, he cannot even prove what he wishes to convey in few or more words. Why must I befriend those who are fakes, frauds and have not achieved anything in Life, except for degrees from some God forsaken universities coming from a State where all know what happens and how many fake MBA's it creates. Though I am never resenting any good information coming even from an enemy, but he is neither my friend nor my enemy. But he is a Fool Number 1 as of today. He cannot be my friend or pal, from any angle whatsoever. he is a failure and I dont befriend failures. And he talks great about himself all the time, as if he is a great Sanyasi. What Sanyasi ? What Brahmachari ? One who wastes time on these Groups 24 x 7, talking about Khichdi which he has made, but never even shown or served to any of the members since last 4 months ? He is a fake cook who does not know how to cook, but only creates hunger in the people by first promising them best quality food, and then delaying to serve, consequently leading to him being exposed that he cant even serve a glass of water, forget food. He is a Brahmachari ? Who gets angry, touchy and sensitive like a women at every single sentence which is not even aimed at him ? He has acquired brains from meditations ? When he cant even understand who are his enemies and who are his well wishers. He makes it a point to misunderstand every single innocent sentence which somebody writes to him. What type of Brahmachaari is he ? And he says that his utterances are " Brahma Vakya " . He made me remember a madman, Lalit Mishra who I think is still searching for his brains in some corridors of some assylum, since he is not to be seen and turned icognito. We must stay away from such people . It is clearly said in old books, that one who tries to study the movements of the heavenly bodies, too much, he becomes mental, or a madman. Bhaskar. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > respected bhaskar ji > > yes,still after my Last call for prooving all tall claims By shri > Vinay Now they r busy unneccessarily discussing on each word every > memebr posted is it relevent or not or is it civilised on not still the > grp is going in same direction > > Now they r discussing wat is fraud ,what is bankruptcy etc > > I find such churcha in some old tea shops and barbershops > > All this could hav avoided if the so called moderater/astrologer take > right steps and driv discussion in proper directions .Now it has become > a assylum for time waisters i blv . > > I was asking that moderater all these days to do it himself without me > entering into the scene ( also i hav so many other work ) > as i know any kind of asking for proof will treated as attack and all > will b grped against him as they know themselvs that they r not equiped > for such serious discussions . > > even i was avoiding such clash ,and i was forced to enter into arena by > some students who got stuck with all such claims and it was hampering in > their study by giving doubts to them and even they felt ( even they got > a feeling that all their hard work is a waiste ) that they r at some > cross roads and dont know where to go > > who was responsible for such situation > > unless and until some one answer such requests prsonaly no body knows > the pain of such ppl who in the name of peace in forum and modesty > spoiling and allowing to tamper all ancient dictums > > here there is no one to study what ever is given to them ,all r after > secrets ,even without proper basics strong all wants secrets first ,all > wants to talk big and act big > > even Now i saw mails asking my knowledge abt surya sidhantha than he is > prooving himself ,means he is allowed to prolong such nasty discussions > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > It is better late than never. Come out of that spiders web. He does > not > > care for Jyotish, or Jyotishis or for any of their causes. Nobody > > defiles an ashram with a abuse file, but he did it, because it came to > > him for free, he has not done any hardwork to create it and bring it > to > > the positions what it is . It does not belong to him, it never was his > > group so why would he think twice to defile it ? Most of his mails are > > only pompous, self glory, pretentious, haughty, narcissistic, > conceited > > and egotistical. Everybody can see behind that facade of humbleness. > He > > says he is 90% blind, but he knows and reads every word written on > every > > group, and is very much aware of same. Can blind people do this ? He > > just wants to gain public sympathy always. Always shows that he has > got > > time restraints but always available 24x7 playing games on his Group > and > > elsewhere. He always tries to appear as a well wisher of Astrology or > > the great science, but is the worst Moderator and person who has > spoiled > > and brough to degenration the great science . Because he did not > > understand my mails where I repeated and requested hundreds of time in > > the past, not to allow many replies for free to the advantage seekers, > > he did not want to understand as he is a remnant of the British who > only > > know to " Divide and rule " and follows the same policy. What happened ? > So > > many good astrologers have left that Group. Others like me and Haresh > > Nathani opened their own groups. This chap if he had understood , the > > only other Group that would have remained to explain was Vedic > > astrology, but this Creep did not understand, and today we have > hundreds > > of runaways who have opened their groups and giving free astrological > > replies. For me, I wanted to stop this bloody game of giving astrology > > for free and people treating it like trash, but today, staying in dirt > > we are also subject to rules of the mafia, and now its too late . This > > idiot by intelligence did not understand then, nor he understands now. > > He just feels happy sitting on a throne borrowed from a neighbouring > > countries citizen, who too have been staying on a part of erstwhile > > India. But then India has always produced Jaichands from those times > > immemorial, who serve those who oppress us. And this guy is serving > His > > Master from Bangladesh well. > > > > Another treachery he is into. He provides platform to all those who > > cannot prove their theories in this Group which is undoubetdly the > best > > today. He gives space to those missionaries to hit us back. He is a > > black spot in the name of Jyotish and will stab his brethren and > > community members anytime of the day or night without any feeling . > > > > He is boasting that within one year the membership has rose to 150o > > members more after his becoming moderator . He must compare it with > > J.Ganga which also has the same framework (Of answering reading > > requests) . With 60 astrologers on board who are continously replying > to > > the queries there , he has just been able to increase the membership > > with 1500+. In J.Ganga with just one active astrologer the membership > in > > last one year has arisen to 7600+ from 2500+ within one year. Whom is > he > > bragging to and about what ? He has spoiled the goodwill of that Group > > by allowing all nonsense hate agenda being perpetrated by him. He is > > using that platform only for hitting back at people whom he does not > > like. He is using that platform for personal wars and selfish > interest. > > Which is why that Group has now distingreated very much to the bottom. > > > > Only certain good members from the old lot have remained there, > > otherwise all have left. > > > > I would have taken him long back, and not allowed him to breathe > > peacefully, but my bad luck, he is a Brahmin by birth (Though a > Kshudra > > by Karma), so do not want to defile myself with his cries of pains. > > > > But let me see, what is my breaking point, after which I will not > bother > > what is he by birth. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > respected Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > yes ,u did told me this several times ,but i was simply on a mission > > to > > > support the cause of astrology and as i am not after any benefits ,i > > > cannot sit idle and that i find only that grp has given only a > > platform > > > for such guys ,i am left with no other options > > > > > > first i said to the moderater -pls ask this man to proov his tall > > claims > > > as i dont want to enter into the scene > > > 2nd sent some mails which is truth and it will b exposing him > without > > > talking directly but was simple articles on his tall calims on > samkhya > > > darshan > > > ( it is 2nd part got deleted where i mementioned the diffrnce or > > > illogics in claims of vinay ji ) > > > then i wrote mails to stop this in directly in the grp when he > strted > > > Name calling all moderaters as if we r some business managers and we > r > > > against him as if he is some threat to our business interests . > > > > > > all mails in last 14 days was held in the name of giving space to > > proov > > > a fraud who already exposed with all scholars > > > > > > but there will b takers as i got lot of mails asking abt his claims > > frm > > > various students and why no one is refuting him ( is it not natural > > with > > > them to ask such a question ) > > > > > > then again i wrote to the moderater to allow my mails or stop him > frm > > > absusing the ancint knowledge by tampering and showing chandala > dosha > > or > > > we will also answerable to rishi munies ( if he blv it i dont know ) > > who > > > ever created such devine science and left us to keep and protect > such > > > legacy > > > > > > Now i got a messge that all my mails is passed ( but i find only 2 > > mails > > > which posted in last day and all old mails gone to ashtray it seems > > )Is > > > killing /Tampering knowledge is spreading awareness of astrology i > > dont > > > know > > > > > > i am done with this as my duty is over and now the ball is in thier > > > court > > > > > > thanks for ur support and time > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > > > > > You should have known by now, that the Moderator (CEO ??? ) of > that > > > > Group is not a reliable person and changes colours like the > > chamaleon. > > > > He is a reptile whom you give milk everyday but would loose not a > > > moment > > > > to bite you when it gets the slightest opportunity. He got hold of > a > > > > Astrological Groups moderators seat through what means only God > > > knows, > > > > as none of us any members had any clue at that time how he was > > > > consipiring behind the screen for the same. And he did not even > > reveal > > > > to the members that he had become the moderator for few months > till > > I > > > > did some research and found out that he had become so, because my > > > mails > > > > of predictions were not reaching the intended members of that > Group. > > > > This is how he removes good astrologers from that Group by > deleting, > > > > withholding their mails and making them appear like dunces on the > > > Group. > > > > He also made friends with every single member who opposed me and > > > formed > > > > a gang to harass and torture me in other Groups as well. He did > the > > > most > > > > henious crime by putting a " Abuse File " in that Groups Files > > sections > > > > where he put on record all abusive mails by me to members who were > > his > > > > stooges who provocated me into abuse. Does any astrologer even > name > > > sake > > > > put a Abuse File in a Astro Group for the members to read and hate > > me > > > ? > > > > But he could not succeed because the members know my nature that I > > do > > > > not abuse unless provocated. He did wonderful planning to remove > me > > > and > > > > all other good astrologers from that Group just to stay atop. That > > > group > > > > was my initial Home where I got a chance to nurture myself. But > this > > > > zealous man out of zealousy and inferiority complex did all his > evil > > > > continously and finally I left the group out of exasperation and a > > > sense > > > > of helplessness . How could he withold the predictive mails to > those > > > > help calls I am still flabbergasted . Such zealousy and evil > actions > > > > have been unsurpassed by anyone till date. He does not know even > abc > > > of > > > > astrology and has till date never been seen discussing on the > > > logistics > > > > of the principles of astrology. > > > > > > > > Since last few months he has been sending hate mails about Bhaskar > > to > > > at > > > > least 20 members of the astrological Groups, seeking their > opinions > > > and > > > > support for going against Bhaskar, but unsuccessfully. He does not > > > know > > > > that where Dharma is, Bhaskar is, and Duryodhana with his army > could > > > not > > > > rout Arjuna where Krishna was. > > > > > > > > I had already warned Shri Sunil Nairji not to get friendly with > this > > > > evil man, but he being innocent and child hearted did not pay heed > > to > > > my > > > > warnings and got stuck up with him once again to be shown the > door. > > > Ican > > > > relate at least 50 tricks about that evil man which he uses on > these > > > > Groups to cause mischief, but we are not here for that. > > > > > > > > I once again request Shri Sunil Nairji to stay away from that > > " Dhongi > > > > astrologer " or else he will be tainted for no reasons and become a > > > > object of ridicule in his Group where he is made the caretaker by > > the > > > > Bangaldeshi owner whom the Moderator serves, for reasons best > known > > to > > > > him. > > > > > > > > Note- All those whom have not been able to prove their claims on > AIA > > > are > > > > invited and given shelter there in that Group. Just check the last > > one > > > > months mails in that group. Every second mail carries negative > > > writings > > > > about this Group. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Nair > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > Here is A reply to one fruad and one moderater of a forum - due > > > > inferiority complex /lack of subjuct knowledge is holding back my > > > mails > > > > and allowing other party to take mileage by approving it ( all my > > > mails > > > > for last 14 days r hold back by him ) > > > > > > > > > > i wrote to that moderater prvtly 100 times dont allow some one's > > > > unprooved claims in grp in the name of promoting novices as > > astrology > > > > already has mountains of junk created by all neo entrants and it > > will > > > > become head ache for new generation who ever will come to learn it > > ,so > > > > it is our duty to protect its sanctity > > > > > > > > > > now i dont understand what he says when i posted a prvt mail ( > > > asking > > > > why my mails r being held ?) -he keep on repeating me to study > > > ,reserch > > > > on vinay and his claims and post him ( to help him to understand > > some > > > > basics ) so as him to expose some one > > > > > > > > > > he is after some secrets > > > > > > > > > > here is answer to vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > KArye Grahesshu grahana MandanOkhtashwata: param --- > > > > > --- > > > > > ekaika liptika sodhya thatsidhe sitagow puna > > > > > yojyeika valsare saika chatwarimsanmithe kAla > > > > > pancha trimsath yutha shathe varshe tumke sakathatha > > > > > yojya eko rahu madhye shodhyekabdatrayathe kala > > > > > ethath samskra samyukta thatraarkadhya:smrutha > > > > > > > > > > i omitted some secrets because u r a brahmachari and maya the > > mlecha > > > > dont allow it > > > > > this is part of a oral tradition ,so i dont want to discuss any > > more > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > Now u proov ur software is better than any other software , > > > > > > > > > > one more thing > > > > > > > > > > All chandrahari's works ( forget i accept or not or wheter we r > > > using > > > > it or not ,as i am still doing my reserch work on it )has then i > > told > > > u > > > > ,i cannot take ur software which has not prooved in frnd of > learned > > > > persons nor even general public has even able to downloaded it ) r > > > > published in all science journals than ur work which u says ask > this > > > > professer or that professer > > > > > > > > > > Now u unleshed a propoaganda against all of us without > > > substantiating > > > > ur claims > > > > > > > > > > All this days ever since u born in net with ur fake propoagnda > > > > software ( since last 4 months ) ,i asked u only to proov ur worth > > and > > > > still i am asking the same only > > > > > > > > > > ur claims on avasarpini yuga for population forcaste has already > > > meet > > > > dust after i posted 2 article -one on jaina Yuga concepts and > other > > > on > > > > samkhya darshana which u were saying has vedic approval and u r > > mixing > > > > jaina Yuga with samkhya philosophy ( saying in the name of > sanction > > > frm > > > > vedas and what ever u r saying is brahma vakhya 0 > > > > > > > > > > so it become my duty to whistle blow it and i hav already done > it > > > > > > > > > > so for such persons what i shud call who is even tampering vedic > > > Laws > > > > > > > > > > fake ,fraud or Mahatma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 17/5/09, hari chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hari chandra_hari18@ > > > > > Re: Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane > Charts > > > > > " Sunil Nair " astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 10:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > see all my claims are based on published works. u people allowed > > > that > > > > guy to spread his nonsense and AIA and now see he has unleashed > > > > propaganda against all of us without substantiating all that he > > > claims. > > > > > > > > > > Did he discuss anything of ayanamsa on the net? > > > > > > > > > > So many phenomenon happen in the world. > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > " Sreenadh " sreesog@, " hari " chandra_hari18@ > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashanth > > > > > > > > > > i will publish all ur mails last one yr u sent me to all grps > > > > > > > > > > why u r holding my mails which i exposed a fraud and allowing > some > > > one > > > > > to attack me ,do u think i dont know ur agenda or i am a fool > > > > > > > > > > i asked some one to proov his false claims which he is failing > > > > > consistently for last 4 months and then u take this opportunity > to > > > > > tarnish me who upholds the rishi vakyas and i am doing my duty .. > > > > > > > > > > i am not afriad of any thing > > > > > > > > > > u r holding my mails and then allowing a fraud to play against > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things > not > > > > suited > > > > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In > > > > > AIA he and his > > > > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly > > attacked > > > > me > > > > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were > > > > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to > bring > > > them > > > > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp > from > > > Mr > > > > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to > discuss > > > > things > > > > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to > > > persuade > > > > > them to discuss anything at all. > > > > > > > > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty > educated > > > > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their > > > > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason > > > > behind > > > > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics > to > > > > abuse > > > > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr > Chandrahari > > > was > > > > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, > which > > > is > > > > a > > > > > fraud, and he was apprehensive > > > > > that the presence of any person knowing > > > > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence, > > he > > > > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even > > incited > > > > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert > of > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became > convinced > > > of > > > > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed > > this > > > > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory > he > > > > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to > suit > > > his > > > > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr > > Chandrahari's > > > > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari's > > > > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to > > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took > > the > > > > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should > be > > > > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of > > > > > millenia > > > > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a > civilized > > > > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not > > > aggressive, > > > > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark > > of > > > > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested > > interests > > > > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. > But > > > > these > > > > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all > > > forums, > > > > > there is an external world with legal courts and other > > institutions > > > > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for > > me, > > > > but > > > > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any > > legal > > > > > extent. > > > > > > > > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even > > know > > > > the > > > > > definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from astrology. > Whom > > I > > > > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is > not > > a > > > > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with > > > > > proper > > > > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing. > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually > bankrupt > > > > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that > this > > > > " group > > > > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing > > > Suryasiddhanta > > > > in > > > > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic " . To > > > learn > > > > > one need courage.... " > > > > > > > > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is > > > distinguished > > > > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all > > > > fraud. > > > > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable > > of > > > > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real > > > shaastrartha, > > > > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which > Mr > > > > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on > me > > > in > > > > a > > > > > concerted manner. > > > > > > > > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in > other > > > > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here > > > > > is a simple way to > > > > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no > > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who > knows > > > the > > > > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) > , > > in > > > > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas > are > > > > given. > > > > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made > > > from > > > > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic > > > ( " Shri > > > > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata > > > ... " ). > > > > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting > > > > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' > ('planetary > > > > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand > > these > > > > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing > > > > mandaphala > > > > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a > > > foreign > > > > > Christian priest like Burgess, or > > > > > the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic > > > > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, > > Kamlakara > > > > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma > > > > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are > mediaeval > > > > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his > entire > > > > team > > > > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of > > > > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will > > > > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons > of > > > AIA > > > > as > > > > > my gurus. > > > > > > > > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the > equation > > > of > > > > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more > complex. > > > > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not > > be > > > > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula > > > which > > > > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within > tolerable > > > > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of > > > > > calculators in > > > > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will > stake > > > > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, > > > preferably > > > > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this > > > formula > > > > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda > Tables > > > are > > > > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by > > > Late > > > > Pt > > > > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba > Surabhaarati > > > > > Prakaashan, Varanasi. > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. > Can > > he > > > > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ? > > > > > > > > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in > > > > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to > > > abusing > > > > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But > > > these > > > > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of > > Makaranda > > > > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent > > > remarks. > > > > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when > some > > > > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c > > are > > > > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system > > because > > > it > > > > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta > strictly > > > > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who > abuse > > > > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without > > > > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special > > > > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my > > > > software > > > > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala > formula > > as > > > > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong > formula > > of > > > > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This > > > fellow > > > > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit > > universities, > > > > govt > > > > > Sanskrit academies and other > > > > > reputed institutions have accepted me as an > > > > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according to Mr > > > > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers. > > > > > > > > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they > > > fail > > > > to > > > > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or > me? > > > Let > > > > us > > > > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I > > > have > > > > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in > > > > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct > answer, > > > they > > > > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if > > asked > > > > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions > where > > > > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last words > are > > > > that > > > > > it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them > > against > > > a > > > > > brahmachaari. > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > ======================= ==== > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the > > " sense " > > > > > with > > > > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and > > > tells > > > > > you > > > > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and > > > positions > > > > > of > > > > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a > subject > > > of > > > > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for > > > > truth. > > > > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the > group > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the > > right > > > > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may be an > > > > > authority > > > > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a > > life > > > > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you > > people > > > > from > > > > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. > > Real > > > > > > knowledge comes when > > > > > one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored > > > > > to > > > > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' > is > > > > there > > > > > in > > > > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than > > > pursuing > > > > > the > > > > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. > > You > > > > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do > > > things > > > > > for > > > > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating > the > > > > > ancient > > > > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be > > victims > > > > > of > > > > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false > notions > > > and > > > > to > > > > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking > > > courage > > > > > and > > > > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha > vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with > > > > > Win XP > > > > > SP-3. > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind > means > > > > > version > > > > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer > with > > > the > > > > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while > > > > > > installation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but > not > > > all, > > > > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009, > > > > > uninstall > > > > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new > > > package > > > > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon that > page > > : > > > > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other > > > > versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > > > ================= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM > > > > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam > Kansal > > > ji > > > > > are > > > > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of > > > modern > > > > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove > > > these > > > > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software > on > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh > > falsely > > > > > > charging > > > > > > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an > > > " outdated " > > > > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no > > > difficulty > > > > in > > > > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts > > > > > by > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA > > > > > > > managers./// ///// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software > > > > > > > Dear Group members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee > software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my > > notebook > > > > > > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. > It > > > is > > > > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working > > > > > perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or > Ashottari > > > > dasa > > > > > or > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type > > > Mismatch " > > > > > > error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this > > > software > > > > > with > > > > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore > > > > > I am unable to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I > heartily > > > > > > compliment > > > > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those > interested. > > > Most > > > > > of > > > > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may > solve > > > > this > > > > > > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology > > > > /message/ > > > > > > 17716 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? 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Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 respected bhaskar ji sure i know all this and wanted to maintain max patience now that fool is allowed to challenge me and my reply mails r blocked by this moderater again i think all his prvt mails to b exposed to the world it seems he thinks this moderater ship is some gr8 axe which can used for character assassination That fool vinay is asking me to proov some makaranda tables ha ha means no one shud ask proof of their claims even after 4 months of tall claims even every one is fed up ,so it becomes my duty to clear his ignorence on some tables which he is struggling with all this drama in the name of asking to showing proof of his claims .that fool is enjoying the gutter bath he is in ,i am sure the wise men will understand this ,wrestling with him will b like wrestling with pigs in gutter .Mandaphala is a very simple computation once the radius/circumference of the epicycle is known. Siddhantas like Suryasiddhanta gives the method of deriving mandaphala by computing the epicycle radius for the specific mandakendra by applying interpolation.any way let him enjoy his gutter bath and i am done with him ,i am sure no mails will passed and i hav to pass each mails to other grps i think ,if i wanted to show to this world that i was answering him .rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > Yes I am aware of whats going on there. They never had serious> discussions on astrology since this chap joined there as the new> moderator. The quality of the Group disintegrated to dismal levels .> > This software maker once chided me here about his high connections and> his not taking fees for his software or for astrology. I then told him> (On this Group itself) in reply to please send his big connections to me> as customers so that at least I could make good money . This software> maker took my comments seriously and is now talking in that Group, that> I need customers from him, and wanted to beffriend him. What a waste of> his misplaced intelligence if he has any. He thinks I need customers> from him ? I am sitting in the commercial capital of India and need his> connections ??? I already have good orders anytime of the year with Gods> grace, and at least 10-15 pending orders anytime of the week. Why do I> need customers from any Tom Dick and Harry for that matter ? Everybody> knows I am self repsecting person and will not ask for such bounties and> never bow my head to Grass headed people like him. Another thing, I have> never tried to befriend him, what rubbish is he talking about ? He is> not fit to be my friend , he is a time waster, since last 4 months he is> making a fool of all the members on various groups, he cannot even> produce a downloadable software, he cannot talk on astrology, he cannot> even prove what he wishes to convey in few or more words. Why must I> befriend those who are fakes, frauds and have not achieved anything in> Life, except for degrees from some God forsaken universities coming from> a State where all know what happens and how many fake MBA's it creates. > Though I am never resenting any good information coming even from an> enemy, but he is neither my friend nor my enemy. But he is a Fool Number> 1 as of today. He cannot be my friend or pal, from any angle whatsoever.> he is a failure and I dont befriend failures.> > And he talks great about himself all the time, as if he is a great> Sanyasi. What Sanyasi ? What Brahmachari ? One who wastes time on these> Groups 24 x 7, talking about Khichdi which he has made, but never even> shown or served to any of the members since last 4 months ? He is a> fake cook who does not know how to cook, but only creates hunger in the> people by first promising them best quality food, and then delaying to> serve, consequently leading to him being exposed that he cant even serve> a glass of water, forget food.> > He is a Brahmachari ? Who gets angry, touchy and sensitive like a women> at every single sentence which is not even aimed at him ? He has> acquired brains from meditations ? When he cant even understand who are> his enemies and who are his well wishers. He makes it a point to> misunderstand every single innocent sentence which somebody writes to> him. What type of Brahmachaari is he ?> > And he says that his utterances are "Brahma Vakya ". He made me remember> a madman, Lalit Mishra who I think is still searching for his brains in> some corridors of some assylum, since he is not to be seen and turned> icognito.> > We must stay away from such people . It is clearly said in old books,> that one who tries to study the movements of the heavenly bodies, too> much, he becomes mental, or a madman.> > Bhaskar.> > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > respected bhaskar ji> >> > yes,still after my Last call for prooving all tall claims By shri> > Vinay Now they r busy unneccessarily discussing on each word every> > memebr posted is it relevent or not or is it civilised on not still> the> > grp is going in same direction> >> > Now they r discussing wat is fraud ,what is bankruptcy etc> >> > I find such churcha in some old tea shops and barbershops> >> > All this could hav avoided if the so called moderater/astrologer take> > right steps and driv discussion in proper directions .Now it has> become> > a assylum for time waisters i blv .> >> > I was asking that moderater all these days to do it himself without me> > entering into the scene ( also i hav so many other work )> > as i know any kind of asking for proof will treated as attack and all> > will b grped against him as they know themselvs that they r not> equiped> > for such serious discussions .> >> > even i was avoiding such clash ,and i was forced to enter into arena> by> > some students who got stuck with all such claims and it was hampering> in> > their study by giving doubts to them and even they felt ( even they> got> > a feeling that all their hard work is a waiste ) that they r at some> > cross roads and dont know where to go> >> > who was responsible for such situation> >> > unless and until some one answer such requests prsonaly no body knows> > the pain of such ppl who in the name of peace in forum and modesty> > spoiling and allowing to tamper all ancient dictums> >> > here there is no one to study what ever is given to them ,all r after> > secrets ,even without proper basics strong all wants secrets first> ,all> > wants to talk big and act big> >> > even Now i saw mails asking my knowledge abt surya sidhantha than he> is> > prooving himself ,means he is allowed to prolong such nasty> discussions> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > >> > > It is better late than never. Come out of that spiders web. He does> > not> > > care for Jyotish, or Jyotishis or for any of their causes. Nobody> > > defiles an ashram with a abuse file, but he did it, because it came> to> > > him for free, he has not done any hardwork to create it and bring it> > to> > > the positions what it is . It does not belong to him, it never was> his> > > group so why would he think twice to defile it ? Most of his mails> are> > > only pompous, self glory, pretentious, haughty, narcissistic,> > conceited> > > and egotistical. Everybody can see behind that facade of humbleness.> > He> > > says he is 90% blind, but he knows and reads every word written on> > every> > > group, and is very much aware of same. Can blind people do this ? He> > > just wants to gain public sympathy always. Always shows that he has> > got> > > time restraints but always available 24x7 playing games on his Group> > and> > > elsewhere. He always tries to appear as a well wisher of Astrology> or> > > the great science, but is the worst Moderator and person who has> > spoiled> > > and brough to degenration the great science . Because he did not> > > understand my mails where I repeated and requested hundreds of time> in> > > the past, not to allow many replies for free to the advantage> seekers,> > > he did not want to understand as he is a remnant of the British who> > only> > > know to "Divide and rule"and follows the same policy. What happened> ?> > So> > > many good astrologers have left that Group. Others like me and> Haresh> > > Nathani opened their own groups. This chap if he had understood ,> the> > > only other Group that would have remained to explain was Vedic> > > astrology, but this Creep did not understand, and today we have> > hundreds> > > of runaways who have opened their groups and giving free> astrological> > > replies. For me, I wanted to stop this bloody game of giving> astrology> > > for free and people treating it like trash, but today, staying in> dirt> > > we are also subject to rules of the mafia, and now its too late .> This> > > idiot by intelligence did not understand then, nor he understands> now.> > > He just feels happy sitting on a throne borrowed from a neighbouring> > > countries citizen, who too have been staying on a part of erstwhile> > > India. But then India has always produced Jaichands from those times> > > immemorial, who serve those who oppress us. And this guy is serving> > His> > > Master from Bangladesh well.> > >> > > Another treachery he is into. He provides platform to all those who> > > cannot prove their theories in this Group which is undoubetdly the> > best> > > today. He gives space to those missionaries to hit us back. He is a> > > black spot in the name of Jyotish and will stab his brethren and> > > community members anytime of the day or night without any feeling .> > >> > > He is boasting that within one year the membership has rose to 150o> > > members more after his becoming moderator . He must compare it with> > > J.Ganga which also has the same framework (Of answering reading> > > requests) . With 60 astrologers on board who are continously> replying> > to> > > the queries there , he has just been able to increase the membership> > > with 1500+. In J.Ganga with just one active astrologer the> membership> > in> > > last one year has arisen to 7600+ from 2500+ within one year. Whom> is> > he> > > bragging to and about what ? He has spoiled the goodwill of that> Group> > > by allowing all nonsense hate agenda being perpetrated by him. He is> > > using that platform only for hitting back at people whom he does not> > > like. He is using that platform for personal wars and selfish> > interest.> > > Which is why that Group has now distingreated very much to the> bottom.> > >> > > Only certain good members from the old lot have remained there,> > > otherwise all have left.> > >> > > I would have taken him long back, and not allowed him to breathe> > > peacefully, but my bad luck, he is a Brahmin by birth (Though a> > Kshudra> > > by Karma), so do not want to defile myself with his cries of pains.> > >> > > But let me see, what is my breaking point, after which I will not> > bother> > > what is he by birth.> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > respected Bhaskar ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > > yes ,u did told me this several times ,but i was simply on a> mission> > > to> > > > support the cause of astrology and as i am not after any benefits> ,i> > > > cannot sit idle and that i find only that grp has given only a> > > platform> > > > for such guys ,i am left with no other options> > > >> > > > first i said to the moderater -pls ask this man to proov his tall> > > claims> > > > as i dont want to enter into the scene> > > > 2nd sent some mails which is truth and it will b exposing him> > without> > > > talking directly but was simple articles on his tall calims on> > samkhya> > > > darshan> > > > ( it is 2nd part got deleted where i mementioned the diffrnce or> > > > illogics in claims of vinay ji )> > > > then i wrote mails to stop this in directly in the grp when he> > strted> > > > Name calling all moderaters as if we r some business managers and> we> > r> > > > against him as if he is some threat to our business interests .> > > >> > > > all mails in last 14 days was held in the name of giving space to> > > proov> > > > a fraud who already exposed with all scholars> > > >> > > > but there will b takers as i got lot of mails asking abt his> claims> > > frm> > > > various students and why no one is refuting him ( is it not> natural> > > with> > > > them to ask such a question )> > > >> > > > then again i wrote to the moderater to allow my mails or stop him> > frm> > > > absusing the ancint knowledge by tampering and showing chandala> > dosha> > > or> > > > we will also answerable to rishi munies ( if he blv it i dont know> )> > > who> > > > ever created such devine science and left us to keep and protect> > such> > > > legacy> > > >> > > > Now i got a messge that all my mails is passed ( but i find only 2> > > mails> > > > which posted in last day and all old mails gone to ashtray it> seems> > > )Is> > > > killing /Tampering knowledge is spreading awareness of astrology i> > > dont> > > > know> > > >> > > > i am done with this as my duty is over and now the ball is in> thier> > > > court> > > >> > > > thanks for ur support and time> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > > > >> > > > > You should have known by now, that the Moderator (CEO ??? ) of> > that> > > > > Group is not a reliable person and changes colours like the> > > chamaleon.> > > > > He is a reptile whom you give milk everyday but would loose not> a> > > > moment> > > > > to bite you when it gets the slightest opportunity. He got hold> of> > a> > > > > Astrological Groups moderators seat through what means only God> > > > knows,> > > > > as none of us any members had any clue at that time how he was> > > > > consipiring behind the screen for the same. And he did not even> > > reveal> > > > > to the members that he had become the moderator for few months> > till> > > I> > > > > did some research and found out that he had become so, because> my> > > > mails> > > > > of predictions were not reaching the intended members of that> > Group.> > > > > This is how he removes good astrologers from that Group by> > deleting,> > > > > withholding their mails and making them appear like dunces on> the> > > > Group.> > > > > He also made friends with every single member who opposed me and> > > > formed> > > > > a gang to harass and torture me in other Groups as well. He did> > the> > > > most> > > > > henious crime by putting a "Abuse File" in that Groups Files> > > sections> > > > > where he put on record all abusive mails by me to members who> were> > > his> > > > > stooges who provocated me into abuse. Does any astrologer even> > name> > > > sake> > > > > put a Abuse File in a Astro Group for the members to read and> hate> > > me> > > > ?> > > > > But he could not succeed because the members know my nature that> I> > > do> > > > > not abuse unless provocated. He did wonderful planning to remove> > me> > > > and> > > > > all other good astrologers from that Group just to stay atop.> That> > > > group> > > > > was my initial Home where I got a chance to nurture myself. But> > this> > > > > zealous man out of zealousy and inferiority complex did all his> > evil> > > > > continously and finally I left the group out of exasperation and> a> > > > sense> > > > > of helplessness . How could he withold the predictive mails to> > those> > > > > help calls I am still flabbergasted . Such zealousy and evil> > actions> > > > > have been unsurpassed by anyone till date. He does not know even> > abc> > > > of> > > > > astrology and has till date never been seen discussing on the> > > > logistics> > > > > of the principles of astrology.> > > > >> > > > > Since last few months he has been sending hate mails about> Bhaskar> > > to> > > > at> > > > > least 20 members of the astrological Groups, seeking their> > opinions> > > > and> > > > > support for going against Bhaskar, but unsuccessfully. He does> not> > > > know> > > > > that where Dharma is, Bhaskar is, and Duryodhana with his army> > could> > > > not> > > > > rout Arjuna where Krishna was.> > > > >> > > > > I had already warned Shri Sunil Nairji not to get friendly with> > this> > > > > evil man, but he being innocent and child hearted did not pay> heed> > > to> > > > my> > > > > warnings and got stuck up with him once again to be shown the> > door.> > > > Ican> > > > > relate at least 50 tricks about that evil man which he uses on> > these> > > > > Groups to cause mischief, but we are not here for that.> > > > >> > > > > I once again request Shri Sunil Nairji to stay away from that> > > "Dhongi> > > > > astrologer" or else he will be tainted for no reasons and become> a> > > > > object of ridicule in his Group where he is made the caretaker> by> > > the> > > > > Bangaldeshi owner whom the Moderator serves, for reasons best> > known> > > to> > > > > him.> > > > >> > > > > Note- All those whom have not been able to prove their claims on> > AIA> > > > are> > > > > invited and given shelter there in that Group. Just check the> last> > > one> > > > > months mails in that group. Every second mail carries negative> > > > writings> > > > > about this Group.> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Sunil Nair> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear grp> > > > > >> > > > > > Here is A reply to one fruad and one moderater of a forum -> due> > > > > inferiority complex /lack of subjuct knowledge is holding back> my> > > > mails> > > > > and allowing other party to take mileage by approving it ( all> my> > > > mails> > > > > for last 14 days r hold back by him )> > > > > >> > > > > > i wrote to that moderater prvtly 100 times dont allow some> one's> > > > > unprooved claims in grp in the name of promoting novices as> > > astrology> > > > > already has mountains of junk created by all neo entrants and it> > > will> > > > > become head ache for new generation who ever will come to learn> it> > > ,so> > > > > it is our duty to protect its sanctity> > > > > >> > > > > > now i dont understand what he says when i posted a prvt mail (> > > > asking> > > > > why my mails r being held ?) -he keep on repeating me to study> > > > ,reserch> > > > > on vinay and his claims and post him ( to help him to understand> > > some> > > > > basics ) so as him to expose some one> > > > > >> > > > > > he is after some secrets> > > > > >> > > > > > here is answer to vinay ji> > > > > >> > > > > > KArye Grahesshu grahana MandanOkhtashwata: param ---> > > > > > ---> > > > > > ekaika liptika sodhya thatsidhe sitagow puna> > > > > > yojyeika valsare saika chatwarimsanmithe kAla> > > > > > pancha trimsath yutha shathe varshe tumke sakathatha> > > > > > yojya eko rahu madhye shodhyekabdatrayathe kala> > > > > > ethath samskra samyukta thatraarkadhya:smrutha> > > > > >> > > > > > i omitted some secrets because u r a brahmachari and maya the> > > mlecha> > > > > dont allow it> > > > > > this is part of a oral tradition ,so i dont want to discuss> any> > > more> > > > > with u> > > > > >> > > > > > Now u proov ur software is better than any other software ,> > > > > >> > > > > > one more thing> > > > > >> > > > > > All chandrahari's works ( forget i accept or not or wheter we> r> > > > using> > > > > it or not ,as i am still doing my reserch work on it )has then i> > > told> > > > u> > > > > ,i cannot take ur software which has not prooved in frnd of> > learned> > > > > persons nor even general public has even able to downloaded it )> r> > > > > published in all science journals than ur work which u says ask> > this> > > > > professer or that professer> > > > > >> > > > > > Now u unleshed a propoaganda against all of us without> > > > substantiating> > > > > ur claims> > > > > >> > > > > > All this days ever since u born in net with ur fake propoagnda> > > > > software ( since last 4 months ) ,i asked u only to proov ur> worth> > > and> > > > > still i am asking the same only> > > > > >> > > > > > ur claims on avasarpini yuga for population forcaste has> already> > > > meet> > > > > dust after i posted 2 article -one on jaina Yuga concepts and> > other> > > > on> > > > > samkhya darshana which u were saying has vedic approval and u r> > > mixing> > > > > jaina Yuga with samkhya philosophy ( saying in the name of> > sanction> > > > frm> > > > > vedas and what ever u r saying is brahma vakhya 0> > > > > >> > > > > > so it become my duty to whistle blow it and i hav already done> > it> > > > > >> > > > > > so for such persons what i shud call who is even tampering> vedic> > > > Laws> > > > > >> > > > > > fake ,fraud or Mahatma> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 17/5/09, hari chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > hari chandra_hari18@> > > > > > Re: Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane> > Charts> > > > > > "Sunil Nair" astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > > > >> > > > > > see all my claims are based on published works. u people> allowed> > > > that> > > > > guy to spread his nonsense and AIA and now see he has unleashed> > > > > propaganda against all of us without substantiating all that he> > > > claims.> > > > > >> > > > > > Did he discuss anything of ayanamsa on the net?> > > > > >> > > > > > So many phenomenon happen in the world.> > > > > >> > > > > > Aum Namah Sivaya> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts> > > > > > "Sreenadh" sreesog@, "hari" chandra_hari18@> > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:29 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > prashanth> > > > > >> > > > > > i will publish all ur mails last one yr u sent me to all grps> > > > > >> > > > > > why u r holding my mails which i exposed a fraud and allowing> > some> > > > one> > > > > > to attack me ,do u think i dont know ur agenda or i am a fool> > > > > >> > > > > > i asked some one to proov his false claims which he is failing> > > > > > consistently for last 4 months and then u take this> opportunity> > to> > > > > > tarnish me who upholds the rishi vakyas and i am doing my duty> .> > > > > >> > > > > > i am not afriad of any thing> > > > > >> > > > > > u r holding my mails and then allowing a fraud to play against> > me> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "vinayjhaa16"> > > vinayjhaa16@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team> > > > > >> > > > > > To All,> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things> > not> > > > > suited> > > > > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In> > > > > > AIA he and his> > > > > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly> > > attacked> > > > > me> > > > > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they> were> > > > > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to> > bring> > > > them> > > > > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp> > from> > > > Mr> > > > > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to> > discuss> > > > > things> > > > > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to> > > > persuade> > > > > > them to discuss anything at all.> > > > > >> > > > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty> > educated> > > > > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of> their> > > > > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the> reason> > > > > behind> > > > > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics> > to> > > > > abuse> > > > > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr> > Chandrahari> > > > was> > > > > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta,> > which> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > fraud, and he was apprehensive> > > > > > that the presence of any person knowing> > > > > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud.> hence,> > > he> > > > > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even> > > incited> > > > > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert> > of> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became> > convinced> > > > of> > > > > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed> > > this> > > > > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any> theory> > he> > > > > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to> > suit> > > > his> > > > > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr> > > Chandrahari's> > > > > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr> Chandrahari's> > > > > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to> > > > Suryasiddhanta.> > > > > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh> took> > > the> > > > > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should> > be> > > > > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of> > > > > > millenia> > > > > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a> > civilized> > > > > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not> > > > aggressive,> > > > > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a> mark> > > of> > > > > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested> > > interests> > > > > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene.> > But> > > > > these> > > > > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all > > > > forums,> > > > > > there is an external world with legal courts and other> > > institutions> > > > > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue> for> > > me,> > > > > but> > > > > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any> > > legal> > > > > > extent.> > > > > >> > > > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not> even> > > know> > > > > the> > > > > > definition of "fraud". I never earned a paisa from astrology.> > Whom> > > I> > > > > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is> > not> > > a> > > > > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with> > > > > > proper> > > > > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually> > bankrupt> > > > > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that> > this> > > > > "group> > > > > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing> > > > Suryasiddhanta> > > > > in> > > > > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic".> To> > > > learn> > > > > > one need courage...."> > > > > >> > > > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is> > > > distinguished> > > > > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above> all> > > > > fraud.> > > > > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am> capable> > > of> > > > > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real> > > > shaastrartha,> > > > > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which> > Mr> > > > > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched> on> > me> > > > in> > > > > a> > > > > > concerted manner.> > > > > >> > > > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in> > other> > > > > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here> > > > > > is a simple way to> > > > > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no> > > knowledge> > > > > of> > > > > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who> > knows> > > > the> > > > > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha.> > > > > >> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478> AD)> > ,> > > in> > > > > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas> > are> > > > > given.> > > > > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being> made> > > > from> > > > > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic> > > > ("Shri> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya> guru-prasaadaata> > > > ...").> > > > > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for> getting> > > > > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja'> > ('planetary> > > > > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand> > > these> > > > > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing> > > > > mandaphala> > > > > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a> > > > foreign> > > > > > Christian priest like Burgess, or> > > > > > the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic> > > > > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna,> > > Kamlakara> > > > > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan> Sharma> > > > > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are> > mediaeval> > > > > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his> > entire> > > > > team> > > > > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula> of> > > > > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I> will> > > > > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons> > of> > > > AIA> > > > > as> > > > > > my gurus.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the> > equation> > > > of> > > > > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more> > complex.> > > > > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should> not> > > be> > > > > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a> formula> > > > which> > > > > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within> > tolerable> > > > > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of> > > > > > calculators in> > > > > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will> > stake> > > > > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time,> > > > preferably> > > > > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this> > > > formula> > > > > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda> > Tables> > > > are> > > > > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary> by> > > > Late> > > > > Pt> > > > > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba> > Surabhaarati> > > > > > Prakaashan, Varanasi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing.> > Can> > > he> > > > > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge> ?> > > > > >> > > > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in> > > > > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to> > > > abusing> > > > > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date.> But> > > > these> > > > > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of> > > Makaranda> > > > > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue.> > > > > >> > > > > > In> > > > > > the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent> > > > remarks.> > > > > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when> > some> > > > > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair> & c> > > are> > > > > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system> > > because> > > > it> > > > > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta> > strictly> > > > > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who> > abuse> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it> without> > > > > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some> special> > > > > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my> > > > > software> > > > > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala> > formula> > > as> > > > > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong> > formula> > > of> > > > > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ?> This> > > > fellow> > > > > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit> > > universities,> > > > > govt> > > > > > Sanskrit academies and other> > > > > > reputed institutions have accepted me as an> > > > > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be "killed' according to> Mr> > > > > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I> they> > > > fail> > > > > to> > > > > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or> > me?> > > > Let> > > > > us> > > > > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA.> I> > > > have> > > > > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus> in> > > > > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct> > answer,> > > > they> > > > > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if> > > asked> > > > > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions> > where> > > > > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last words> > are> > > > > that> > > > > > it is "rahasyam brahma sammitam". Let me see who helps them> > > against> > > > a> > > > > > brahmachaari.> > > > > >> > > > > > -Vinay Jha> > > > > > ======================= ====> > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the> > > "sense"> > > > > > with> > > > > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes> and> > > > tells> > > > > > you> > > > > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and> > > > positions> > > > > > of> > > > > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a> > subject> > > > of> > > > > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry> for> > > > > truth.> > > > > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the> > group> > > > has> > > > > > no> > > > > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the> > > right> > > > > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may be> an> > > > > > authority> > > > > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending> a> > > life> > > > > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you> > > people> > > > > from> > > > > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer.> > > Real> > > > > > > knowledge comes when> > > > > > one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored> > > > > > to> > > > > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha'> > is> > > > > there> > > > > > in> > > > > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than> > > > pursuing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the> group.> > > You> > > > > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you> do> > > > things> > > > > > for> > > > > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating> > the> > > > > > ancient> > > > > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be> > > victims> > > > > > of> > > > > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false> > notions> > > > and> > > > > to> > > > > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking> > > > courage> > > > > > and> > > > > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Vinay Jha> > vinayjhaa16@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with> > > > > > Win XP> > > > > > SP-3.> > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind> > means> > > > > > version> > > > > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer> > with> > > > the> > > > > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while> > > > > > > installation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but> > not> > > > all,> > > > > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May> 2009,> > > > > > uninstall> > > > > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new> > > > package> > > > > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon that> > page> > > :> > > > > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other> > > > > versions.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha> > > > > > > > ================= =====> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM> > > > > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam> > Kansal> > > > ji> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of> > > > modern> > > > > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to> remove> > > > these> > > > > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software> > on> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh> > > falsely> > > > > > > charging> > > > > > > > > me of making an "uninstallable" software based on an> > > > "outdated"> > > > > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no> > > > difficulty> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software> dealt> > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such> verdicts> > > > > > by> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA> > > > > > > > managers./// /////> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software> > > > > > > > Dear Group members> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee> > software.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my> > > notebook> > > > > > > > computer. I could install the software without any> problem.> > It> > > > is> > > > > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working> > > > > > perfectly.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or> > Ashottari> > > > > dasa> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns "Run time error 13, Type> > > > Mismatch"> > > > > > > error.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this> > > > software> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore> > > > > > I am unable to> > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I> > heartily> > > > > > > compliment> > > > > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those> > interested.> > > > Most> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide> > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may> > solve> > > > > this> > > > > > > > problem of "Run time error 13, Type Mismatch".> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > > > > Shyam S. Kansal> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology> > > > > /message/> > > > > > > 17716> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? 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Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, I know all this because I have been a victim of this evil mans actions and suffered for 3-5 long months during which he left no opportunity to supress me and defile my reputation. He will pit you in a fight against any fool and enjoy as a third bencher. He will try to thrash all your theories and revelations through various ids created for this purpose. It is very good that you realised this at least now, in time. He did not allow my predictions to those suffering from problems on whom I used to spend some time, study their charts and reply. He used to delete all these messages. And I used to keep wondering why they are not appearing on the Group. I never knew that this xxxx fellow has become the moderator through devious means for he did not reveal this to anybody and did not make this info. public till I caught him and broke this news after which this xxxxx man accepted. He did not allow even my mails of astrological inputs where I used to discuss on astrological principles, because of his zealousy and not allowing anyone else to shine in that Group. He at times used to hold my mails, and write other mails connected to what I had written on those mails held, so that after my mails appeared, I would look like a dunce. On complaining why my messages are coming in late, he used to play that trick of being busy and of approving all mails at the same time etc.etc. which the gullible members would never know how it is done, since they do not own groups and do not know how moderation is done. He used to bring in fake ids and also allow those who had developed enmity with me, to write dirty about me, abuse me and when I used to reply , he allowed few mails and thus got a good reason to began moderating me. And then he started playing other tricks. Since last few months he has been sending mails writing against me to many members of these groups soliciting their opinions and trying to garner support with a big gang of my detractors, to punish me with some more guirella tactics. But he does not know what warrior he is against. I am a " Maheshwari " having got this name from direct Shankar Bhagwaan and actually are Kshatriyas through the ancient ages who have left their arms due to injunction by Lord Shiva, and becomes Vaishya but does not mean that He has not asked us to pick these arms, when the situation so demands. He also has a habit of crying. You just write one word asking for justification and he will send 20 mails the whole week showing how great Moderator he is, very justice minded person, the only Godfather of Astrology etc.etc. all bankas bakwaas. Another year of such activities I am allowing him, after which I shall disrobe him, expose him, and show his ugly face to the public. This allowance only given to him because he is a Brahmin by birth, though I have now started doubting this, because of his ways which no good Brahmin would be into. Bhaskar. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > respected bhaskar ji > > sure > > i know all this and wanted to maintain max patience > now that fool is allowed to challenge me and my reply mails r blocked by > this moderater again i think all his prvt mails to b exposed to the > world it seems > > he thinks this moderater ship is some gr8 axe which can used for > character assassination > > That fool vinay is asking me to proov some makaranda tables > > ha ha > > means no one shud ask proof of their claims even after 4 months of tall > claims even every one is fed up ,so it becomes my duty to clear his > ignorence on some tables which he is struggling with > > all this drama in the name of asking to showing proof of his claims . > > that fool is enjoying the gutter bath he is in ,i am sure the wise men > will understand this ,wrestling with him will b like wrestling with pigs > in gutter . > > Mandaphala is a very simple computation once the radius/circumference of > the epicycle is known. Siddhantas like Suryasiddhanta gives the method > of deriving mandaphala by computing the epicycle radius for the specific > mandakendra by applying interpolation. > > any way let him enjoy his gutter bath and i am done with him ,i am sure > no mails will passed and i hav to pass each mails to other grps i think > ,if i wanted to show to this world that i was answering him . > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > Yes I am aware of whats going on there. They never had serious > > discussions on astrology since this chap joined there as the new > > moderator. The quality of the Group disintegrated to dismal levels . > > > > This software maker once chided me here about his high connections and > > his not taking fees for his software or for astrology. I then told him > > (On this Group itself) in reply to please send his big connections to > me > > as customers so that at least I could make good money . This software > > maker took my comments seriously and is now talking in that Group, > that > > I need customers from him, and wanted to beffriend him. What a waste > of > > his misplaced intelligence if he has any. He thinks I need customers > > from him ? I am sitting in the commercial capital of India and need > his > > connections ??? I already have good orders anytime of the year with > Gods > > grace, and at least 10-15 pending orders anytime of the week. Why do I > > need customers from any Tom Dick and Harry for that matter ? Everybody > > knows I am self repsecting person and will not ask for such bounties > and > > never bow my head to Grass headed people like him. Another thing, I > have > > never tried to befriend him, what rubbish is he talking about ? He is > > not fit to be my friend , he is a time waster, since last 4 months he > is > > making a fool of all the members on various groups, he cannot even > > produce a downloadable software, he cannot talk on astrology, he > cannot > > even prove what he wishes to convey in few or more words. Why must I > > befriend those who are fakes, frauds and have not achieved anything in > > Life, except for degrees from some God forsaken universities coming > from > > a State where all know what happens and how many fake MBA's it > creates. > > Though I am never resenting any good information coming even from an > > enemy, but he is neither my friend nor my enemy. But he is a Fool > Number > > 1 as of today. He cannot be my friend or pal, from any angle > whatsoever. > > he is a failure and I dont befriend failures. > > > > And he talks great about himself all the time, as if he is a great > > Sanyasi. What Sanyasi ? What Brahmachari ? One who wastes time on > these > > Groups 24 x 7, talking about Khichdi which he has made, but never even > > shown or served to any of the members since last 4 months ? He is a > > fake cook who does not know how to cook, but only creates hunger in > the > > people by first promising them best quality food, and then delaying to > > serve, consequently leading to him being exposed that he cant even > serve > > a glass of water, forget food. > > > > He is a Brahmachari ? Who gets angry, touchy and sensitive like a > women > > at every single sentence which is not even aimed at him ? He has > > acquired brains from meditations ? When he cant even understand who > are > > his enemies and who are his well wishers. He makes it a point to > > misunderstand every single innocent sentence which somebody writes to > > him. What type of Brahmachaari is he ? > > > > And he says that his utterances are " Brahma Vakya " . He made me > remember > > a madman, Lalit Mishra who I think is still searching for his brains > in > > some corridors of some assylum, since he is not to be seen and turned > > icognito. > > > > We must stay away from such people . It is clearly said in old books, > > that one who tries to study the movements of the heavenly bodies, too > > much, he becomes mental, or a madman. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji > > > > > > yes,still after my Last call for prooving all tall claims By shri > > > Vinay Now they r busy unneccessarily discussing on each word every > > > memebr posted is it relevent or not or is it civilised on not still > > the > > > grp is going in same direction > > > > > > Now they r discussing wat is fraud ,what is bankruptcy etc > > > > > > I find such churcha in some old tea shops and barbershops > > > > > > All this could hav avoided if the so called moderater/astrologer > take > > > right steps and driv discussion in proper directions .Now it has > > become > > > a assylum for time waisters i blv . > > > > > > I was asking that moderater all these days to do it himself without > me > > > entering into the scene ( also i hav so many other work ) > > > as i know any kind of asking for proof will treated as attack and > all > > > will b grped against him as they know themselvs that they r not > > equiped > > > for such serious discussions . > > > > > > even i was avoiding such clash ,and i was forced to enter into arena > > by > > > some students who got stuck with all such claims and it was > hampering > > in > > > their study by giving doubts to them and even they felt ( even they > > got > > > a feeling that all their hard work is a waiste ) that they r at some > > > cross roads and dont know where to go > > > > > > who was responsible for such situation > > > > > > unless and until some one answer such requests prsonaly no body > knows > > > the pain of such ppl who in the name of peace in forum and modesty > > > spoiling and allowing to tamper all ancient dictums > > > > > > here there is no one to study what ever is given to them ,all r > after > > > secrets ,even without proper basics strong all wants secrets first > > ,all > > > wants to talk big and act big > > > > > > even Now i saw mails asking my knowledge abt surya sidhantha than he > > is > > > prooving himself ,means he is allowed to prolong such nasty > > discussions > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > > > > > It is better late than never. Come out of that spiders web. He > does > > > not > > > > care for Jyotish, or Jyotishis or for any of their causes. Nobody > > > > defiles an ashram with a abuse file, but he did it, because it > came > > to > > > > him for free, he has not done any hardwork to create it and bring > it > > > to > > > > the positions what it is . It does not belong to him, it never was > > his > > > > group so why would he think twice to defile it ? Most of his mails > > are > > > > only pompous, self glory, pretentious, haughty, narcissistic, > > > conceited > > > > and egotistical. Everybody can see behind that facade of > humbleness. > > > He > > > > says he is 90% blind, but he knows and reads every word written on > > > every > > > > group, and is very much aware of same. Can blind people do this ? > He > > > > just wants to gain public sympathy always. Always shows that he > has > > > got > > > > time restraints but always available 24x7 playing games on his > Group > > > and > > > > elsewhere. He always tries to appear as a well wisher of Astrology > > or > > > > the great science, but is the worst Moderator and person who has > > > spoiled > > > > and brough to degenration the great science . Because he did not > > > > understand my mails where I repeated and requested hundreds of > time > > in > > > > the past, not to allow many replies for free to the advantage > > seekers, > > > > he did not want to understand as he is a remnant of the British > who > > > only > > > > know to " Divide and rule " and follows the same policy. What > happened > > ? > > > So > > > > many good astrologers have left that Group. Others like me and > > Haresh > > > > Nathani opened their own groups. This chap if he had understood , > > the > > > > only other Group that would have remained to explain was Vedic > > > > astrology, but this Creep did not understand, and today we have > > > hundreds > > > > of runaways who have opened their groups and giving free > > astrological > > > > replies. For me, I wanted to stop this bloody game of giving > > astrology > > > > for free and people treating it like trash, but today, staying in > > dirt > > > > we are also subject to rules of the mafia, and now its too late .. > > This > > > > idiot by intelligence did not understand then, nor he understands > > now. > > > > He just feels happy sitting on a throne borrowed from a > neighbouring > > > > countries citizen, who too have been staying on a part of > erstwhile > > > > India. But then India has always produced Jaichands from those > times > > > > immemorial, who serve those who oppress us. And this guy is > serving > > > His > > > > Master from Bangladesh well. > > > > > > > > Another treachery he is into. He provides platform to all those > who > > > > cannot prove their theories in this Group which is undoubetdly the > > > best > > > > today. He gives space to those missionaries to hit us back. He is > a > > > > black spot in the name of Jyotish and will stab his brethren and > > > > community members anytime of the day or night without any feeling > . > > > > > > > > He is boasting that within one year the membership has rose to > 150o > > > > members more after his becoming moderator . He must compare it > with > > > > J.Ganga which also has the same framework (Of answering reading > > > > requests) . With 60 astrologers on board who are continously > > replying > > > to > > > > the queries there , he has just been able to increase the > membership > > > > with 1500+. In J.Ganga with just one active astrologer the > > membership > > > in > > > > last one year has arisen to 7600+ from 2500+ within one year. Whom > > is > > > he > > > > bragging to and about what ? He has spoiled the goodwill of that > > Group > > > > by allowing all nonsense hate agenda being perpetrated by him. He > is > > > > using that platform only for hitting back at people whom he does > not > > > > like. He is using that platform for personal wars and selfish > > > interest. > > > > Which is why that Group has now distingreated very much to the > > bottom. > > > > > > > > Only certain good members from the old lot have remained there, > > > > otherwise all have left. > > > > > > > > I would have taken him long back, and not allowed him to breathe > > > > peacefully, but my bad luck, he is a Brahmin by birth (Though a > > > Kshudra > > > > by Karma), so do not want to defile myself with his cries of > pains. > > > > > > > > But let me see, what is my breaking point, after which I will not > > > bother > > > > what is he by birth. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > > yes ,u did told me this several times ,but i was simply on a > > mission > > > > to > > > > > support the cause of astrology and as i am not after any > benefits > > ,i > > > > > cannot sit idle and that i find only that grp has given only a > > > > platform > > > > > for such guys ,i am left with no other options > > > > > > > > > > first i said to the moderater -pls ask this man to proov his > tall > > > > claims > > > > > as i dont want to enter into the scene > > > > > 2nd sent some mails which is truth and it will b exposing him > > > without > > > > > talking directly but was simple articles on his tall calims on > > > samkhya > > > > > darshan > > > > > ( it is 2nd part got deleted where i mementioned the diffrnce or > > > > > illogics in claims of vinay ji ) > > > > > then i wrote mails to stop this in directly in the grp when he > > > strted > > > > > Name calling all moderaters as if we r some business managers > and > > we > > > r > > > > > against him as if he is some threat to our business interests .. > > > > > > > > > > all mails in last 14 days was held in the name of giving space > to > > > > proov > > > > > a fraud who already exposed with all scholars > > > > > > > > > > but there will b takers as i got lot of mails asking abt his > > claims > > > > frm > > > > > various students and why no one is refuting him ( is it not > > natural > > > > with > > > > > them to ask such a question ) > > > > > > > > > > then again i wrote to the moderater to allow my mails or stop > him > > > frm > > > > > absusing the ancint knowledge by tampering and showing chandala > > > dosha > > > > or > > > > > we will also answerable to rishi munies ( if he blv it i dont > know > > ) > > > > who > > > > > ever created such devine science and left us to keep and protect > > > such > > > > > legacy > > > > > > > > > > Now i got a messge that all my mails is passed ( but i find only > 2 > > > > mails > > > > > which posted in last day and all old mails gone to ashtray it > > seems > > > > )Is > > > > > killing /Tampering knowledge is spreading awareness of astrology > i > > > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > i am done with this as my duty is over and now the ball is in > > thier > > > > > court > > > > > > > > > > thanks for ur support and time > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You should have known by now, that the Moderator (CEO ??? ) of > > > that > > > > > > Group is not a reliable person and changes colours like the > > > > chamaleon. > > > > > > He is a reptile whom you give milk everyday but would loose > not > > a > > > > > moment > > > > > > to bite you when it gets the slightest opportunity. He got > hold > > of > > > a > > > > > > Astrological Groups moderators seat through what means only > God > > > > > knows, > > > > > > as none of us any members had any clue at that time how he was > > > > > > consipiring behind the screen for the same. And he did not > even > > > > reveal > > > > > > to the members that he had become the moderator for few months > > > till > > > > I > > > > > > did some research and found out that he had become so, because > > my > > > > > mails > > > > > > of predictions were not reaching the intended members of that > > > Group. > > > > > > This is how he removes good astrologers from that Group by > > > deleting, > > > > > > withholding their mails and making them appear like dunces on > > the > > > > > Group. > > > > > > He also made friends with every single member who opposed me > and > > > > > formed > > > > > > a gang to harass and torture me in other Groups as well. He > did > > > the > > > > > most > > > > > > henious crime by putting a " Abuse File " in that Groups Files > > > > sections > > > > > > where he put on record all abusive mails by me to members who > > were > > > > his > > > > > > stooges who provocated me into abuse. Does any astrologer even > > > name > > > > > sake > > > > > > put a Abuse File in a Astro Group for the members to read and > > hate > > > > me > > > > > ? > > > > > > But he could not succeed because the members know my nature > that > > I > > > > do > > > > > > not abuse unless provocated. He did wonderful planning to > remove > > > me > > > > > and > > > > > > all other good astrologers from that Group just to stay atop. > > That > > > > > group > > > > > > was my initial Home where I got a chance to nurture myself. > But > > > this > > > > > > zealous man out of zealousy and inferiority complex did all > his > > > evil > > > > > > continously and finally I left the group out of exasperation > and > > a > > > > > sense > > > > > > of helplessness . How could he withold the predictive mails to > > > those > > > > > > help calls I am still flabbergasted . Such zealousy and evil > > > actions > > > > > > have been unsurpassed by anyone till date. He does not know > even > > > abc > > > > > of > > > > > > astrology and has till date never been seen discussing on the > > > > > logistics > > > > > > of the principles of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since last few months he has been sending hate mails about > > Bhaskar > > > > to > > > > > at > > > > > > least 20 members of the astrological Groups, seeking their > > > opinions > > > > > and > > > > > > support for going against Bhaskar, but unsuccessfully. He does > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > that where Dharma is, Bhaskar is, and Duryodhana with his army > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > rout Arjuna where Krishna was. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had already warned Shri Sunil Nairji not to get friendly > with > > > this > > > > > > evil man, but he being innocent and child hearted did not pay > > heed > > > > to > > > > > my > > > > > > warnings and got stuck up with him once again to be shown the > > > door. > > > > > Ican > > > > > > relate at least 50 tricks about that evil man which he uses on > > > these > > > > > > Groups to cause mischief, but we are not here for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again request Shri Sunil Nairji to stay away from that > > > > " Dhongi > > > > > > astrologer " or else he will be tainted for no reasons and > become > > a > > > > > > object of ridicule in his Group where he is made the caretaker > > by > > > > the > > > > > > Bangaldeshi owner whom the Moderator serves, for reasons best > > > known > > > > to > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note- All those whom have not been able to prove their claims > on > > > AIA > > > > > are > > > > > > invited and given shelter there in that Group. Just check the > > last > > > > one > > > > > > months mails in that group. Every second mail carries negative > > > > > writings > > > > > > about this Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Nair > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is A reply to one fruad and one moderater of a forum - > > due > > > > > > inferiority complex /lack of subjuct knowledge is holding back > > my > > > > > mails > > > > > > and allowing other party to take mileage by approving it ( all > > my > > > > > mails > > > > > > for last 14 days r hold back by him ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wrote to that moderater prvtly 100 times dont allow some > > one's > > > > > > unprooved claims in grp in the name of promoting novices as > > > > astrology > > > > > > already has mountains of junk created by all neo entrants and > it > > > > will > > > > > > become head ache for new generation who ever will come to > learn > > it > > > > ,so > > > > > > it is our duty to protect its sanctity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now i dont understand what he says when i posted a prvt mail > ( > > > > > asking > > > > > > why my mails r being held ?) -he keep on repeating me to study > > > > > ,reserch > > > > > > on vinay and his claims and post him ( to help him to > understand > > > > some > > > > > > basics ) so as him to expose some one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is after some secrets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is answer to vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KArye Grahesshu grahana MandanOkhtashwata: param --- > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > ekaika liptika sodhya thatsidhe sitagow puna > > > > > > > yojyeika valsare saika chatwarimsanmithe kAla > > > > > > > pancha trimsath yutha shathe varshe tumke sakathatha > > > > > > > yojya eko rahu madhye shodhyekabdatrayathe kala > > > > > > > ethath samskra samyukta thatraarkadhya:smrutha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i omitted some secrets because u r a brahmachari and maya > the > > > > mlecha > > > > > > dont allow it > > > > > > > this is part of a oral tradition ,so i dont want to discuss > > any > > > > more > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now u proov ur software is better than any other software , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All chandrahari's works ( forget i accept or not or wheter > we > > r > > > > > using > > > > > > it or not ,as i am still doing my reserch work on it )has then > i > > > > told > > > > > u > > > > > > ,i cannot take ur software which has not prooved in frnd of > > > learned > > > > > > persons nor even general public has even able to downloaded it > ) > > r > > > > > > published in all science journals than ur work which u says > ask > > > this > > > > > > professer or that professer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now u unleshed a propoaganda against all of us without > > > > > substantiating > > > > > > ur claims > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this days ever since u born in net with ur fake > propoagnda > > > > > > software ( since last 4 months ) ,i asked u only to proov ur > > worth > > > > and > > > > > > still i am asking the same only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur claims on avasarpini yuga for population forcaste has > > already > > > > > meet > > > > > > dust after i posted 2 article -one on jaina Yuga concepts and > > > other > > > > > on > > > > > > samkhya darshana which u were saying has vedic approval and u > r > > > > mixing > > > > > > jaina Yuga with samkhya philosophy ( saying in the name of > > > sanction > > > > > frm > > > > > > vedas and what ever u r saying is brahma vakhya 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so it become my duty to whistle blow it and i hav already > done > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so for such persons what i shud call who is even tampering > > vedic > > > > > Laws > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fake ,fraud or Mahatma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 17/5/09, hari chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hari chandra_hari18@ > > > > > > > Re: Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane > > > Charts > > > > > > > " Sunil Nair " astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > Sunday, 17 May, 2009, 10:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see all my claims are based on published works. u people > > allowed > > > > > that > > > > > > guy to spread his nonsense and AIA and now see he has > unleashed > > > > > > propaganda against all of us without substantiating all that > he > > > > > claims. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did he discuss anything of ayanamsa on the net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So many phenomenon happen in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > Fwd: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane > Charts > > > > > > > " Sreenadh " sreesog@, " hari " chandra_hari18@ > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will publish all ur mails last one yr u sent me to all > grps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u r holding my mails which i exposed a fraud and > allowing > > > some > > > > > one > > > > > > > to attack me ,do u think i dont know ur agenda or i am a > fool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i asked some one to proov his false claims which he is > failing > > > > > > > consistently for last 4 months and then u take this > > opportunity > > > to > > > > > > > tarnish me who upholds the rishi vakyas and i am doing my > duty > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not afriad of any thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u r holding my mails and then allowing a fraud to play > against > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > > > vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging > things > > > not > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In > > > > > > > AIA he and his > > > > > > > friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly > > > > attacked > > > > > > me > > > > > > > with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they > > were > > > > > > > misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to > > > bring > > > > > them > > > > > > > to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, > esp > > > from > > > > > Mr > > > > > > > Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to > > > discuss > > > > > > things > > > > > > > in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to > > > > > persuade > > > > > > > them to discuss anything at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty > > > educated > > > > > > > persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of > > their > > > > > > > intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the > > reason > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not > lunatics > > > to > > > > > > abuse > > > > > > > anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr > > > Chandrahari > > > > > was > > > > > > > propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > fraud, and he was apprehensive > > > > > > > that the presence of any person knowing > > > > > > > the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. > > hence, > > > > he > > > > > > > wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even > > > > incited > > > > > > > them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an > expert > > > of > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became > > > convinced > > > > > of > > > > > > > this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I > exposed > > > > this > > > > > > > fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any > > theory > > > he > > > > > > > wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to > > > suit > > > > > his > > > > > > > personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr > > > > Chandrahari's > > > > > > > definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr > > Chandrahari's > > > > > > > ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to > > > > > Suryasiddhanta. > > > > > > > After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh > > took > > > > the > > > > > > > responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue > should > > > be > > > > > > > submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast > of > > > > > > > millenia > > > > > > > of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a > > > civilized > > > > > > > manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not > > > > > aggressive, > > > > > > > abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a > > mark > > > > of > > > > > > > ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested > > > > interests > > > > > > > which call for removing the apparent opponent from the > scene. > > > But > > > > > > these > > > > > > > persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all > > > > > > forums, > > > > > > > there is an external world with legal courts and other > > > > institutions > > > > > > > where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue > > for > > > > me, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to > any > > > > legal > > > > > > > extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not > > even > > > > know > > > > > > the > > > > > > > definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from > astrology. > > > Whom > > > > I > > > > > > > robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > arguments and evidences, instead of abusing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually > > > bankrupt > > > > > > > because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that > > > this > > > > > > " group > > > > > > > has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta.... Stop discussing > > > > > Suryasiddhanta > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a > topic " . > > To > > > > > learn > > > > > > > one need courage.... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is > > > > > distinguished > > > > > > > for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above > > all > > > > > > fraud. > > > > > > > I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am > > capable > > > > of > > > > > > > proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real > > > > > shaastrartha, > > > > > > > which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after > which > > > Mr > > > > > > > Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched > > on > > > me > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > concerted manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in > > > other > > > > > > > forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here > > > > > > > is a simple way to > > > > > > > decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no > > > > knowledge > > > > > > of > > > > > > > ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who > > > knows > > > > > the > > > > > > > siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta's earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 > > AD) > > > , > > > > in > > > > > > > which readymade tables and easy methods for making > panchangas > > > are > > > > > > given. > > > > > > > Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being > > made > > > > > from > > > > > > > Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is > Suryasiddhantic > > > > > ( " Shri > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva-upkaaraaya > > guru-prasaadaata > > > > > ... " ). > > > > > > > In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for > > getting > > > > > > > mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' > > > ('planetary > > > > > > > position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not > understand > > > > these > > > > > > > tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing > > > > > > mandaphala > > > > > > > and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : > a > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > Christian priest like Burgess, or > > > > > > > the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic > > > > > > > panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, > > > > Kamlakara > > > > > > > Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan > > Sharma > > > > > > > (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are > > > mediaeval > > > > > > > experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his > > > entire > > > > > > team > > > > > > > of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula > > of > > > > > > > mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I > > will > > > > > > > renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these > persons > > > of > > > > > AIA > > > > > > as > > > > > > > my gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the > > > equation > > > > > of > > > > > > > centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more > > > complex. > > > > > > > Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should > > not > > > > be > > > > > > > discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a > > formula > > > > > which > > > > > > > can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within > > > tolerable > > > > > > > limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of > > > > > > > calculators in > > > > > > > those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will > > > stake > > > > > > > anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, > > > > > preferably > > > > > > > within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn > this > > > > > formula > > > > > > > from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda > > > Tables > > > > > are > > > > > > > now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi > commentary > > by > > > > > Late > > > > > > Pt > > > > > > > Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba > > > Surabhaarati > > > > > > > Prakaashan, Varanasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual > abusing. > > > Can > > > > he > > > > > > > display similar courage in accepting my intellectual > challenge > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing > in > > > > > > > understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort > to > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. > > But > > > > > these > > > > > > > gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of > > > > Makaranda > > > > > > > Tables and do not try to divert the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent > > > > > remarks. > > > > > > > He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation > when > > > some > > > > > > > members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil > Nair > > & c > > > > are > > > > > > > doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system > > > > because > > > > > it > > > > > > > is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta > > > strictly > > > > > > > probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who > > > abuse > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it > > without > > > > > > > understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some > > special > > > > > > > treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and > my > > > > > > software > > > > > > > go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala > > > formula > > > > as > > > > > > > used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong > > > formula > > > > of > > > > > > > Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? > > This > > > > > fellow > > > > > > > knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit > > > > universities, > > > > > > govt > > > > > > > Sanskrit academies and other > > > > > > > reputed institutions have accepted me as an > > > > > > > expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according > to > > Mr > > > > > > > Chandrahari and abused by his followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I > > they > > > > > fail > > > > > > to > > > > > > > explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it > or > > > me? > > > > > Let > > > > > > us > > > > > > > discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in > AIA. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya > syllabus > > in > > > > > > > Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct > > > answer, > > > > > they > > > > > > > can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, > if > > > > asked > > > > > > > for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions > > > where > > > > > > > jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta's last > words > > > are > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them > > > > against > > > > > a > > > > > > > brahmachaari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > > > ======================= ==== > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the > > > > " sense " > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes > > and > > > > > tells > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and > > > > > positions > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > deities and planets are different - you people make it a > > > subject > > > > > of > > > > > > > > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry > > for > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the > > > group > > > > > has > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even > the > > > > right > > > > > > > > wisdom/interpretation. You guys don't understand who may > be > > an > > > > > > > authority > > > > > > > > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after > spending > > a > > > > life > > > > > > > > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you > > > > people > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > assimilating what you people read? There is only one > answer. > > > > Real > > > > > > > > knowledge comes when > > > > > > > one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when > 'spardha' > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than > > > > > pursuing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the > > group. > > > > You > > > > > > > > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you > > do > > > > > things > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > which you are incompetent you people will end up > desecrating > > > the > > > > > > > ancient > > > > > > > > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be > > > > victims > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false > > > notions > > > > > and > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards > lacking > > > > > courage > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha > > > vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with > > > > > > > Win XP > > > > > > > SP-3. > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind > > > means > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore > while > > > > > > > > installation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, > but > > > not > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May > > 2009, > > > > > > > uninstall > > > > > > > > the previous version from Control Panel and download the > new > > > > > package > > > > > > > > fromhttp://kundalee.wikidot.com/ from the first linkon > that > > > page > > > > : > > > > > > > > http://www.datafilehost.com/download-72e639b7.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all > other > > > > > > versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > > > > > ================= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam > > > Kansal > > > > > ji > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings > of > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to > > remove > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in > software > > > on > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh > > > > falsely > > > > > > > > charging > > > > > > > > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an > > > > > " outdated " > > > > > > > > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software > > dealt > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such > > verdicts > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA > > > > > > > > > managers./// ///// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Kundalee software > > > > > > > > > Dear Group members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee > > > software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my > > > > notebook > > > > > > > > > computer. I could install the software without any > > problem. > > > It > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are > working > > > > > > > perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or > > > Ashottari > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type > > > > > Mismatch " > > > > > > > > error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this > > > > > software > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore > > > > > > > I am unable to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > about calculations aspect at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I > > > heartily > > > > > > > > compliment > > > > > > > > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those > > > interested. > > > > > Most > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide > > > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may > > > solve > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ > indian_astrology > > > > > > /message/ > > > > > > > > 17716 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Dear grp this is the mail i first sent to PK asking him to stop this vinay based on my views ( u can see time tags )i dont want to enter into area b4 this i sent few articles which Vinay not refuted ,then i strted asking moderater to interfere to stop this drama I took up this fight due to this facts if Vinay is correct last 2500 yrs written history and litterature of astrology ( which is available ) of india is wrong and we all were following some thing wrong so i informed this moderater it is urgent matter than just a excuse that u r allowing some one in democrativ way even after giv 4 months time to proov .i never posted any thing first i refuted him tru articles all his claims vedic calender ,drig ganita ,samkhya Darshana ,jain kala chakra all showing he is mixing up and ignorent all this took one month as i need to preserv also what i done in net than individual wrestling with pigs in gutter who enjoys such dual sso he dont refuted anything now again what i need to proov some simple arithmetic obselete formula used in 13th centrury ??he can say so but we r more advanced and we already discarded that corrections if planets r dieties why needs mathematics ,geometry and all sort of corrections ??so this challenge is for buying time for continuing this wrestlin g aaginst indian sastras than personal abses to me which i dont care for me flowers or brickbats it is same if i do this --am i going to get a billion dollars business ??so u can see truth i am busy tho wants to write so many things the moderater not only bloacked all mails but systematicaly passed all non contents after additions and deletions ,selectiv way what it proovs do they hav honesty intellectualy see time tag in mail it is done after i wrote few articles against all his claims ( sure it serve purpose against all enmies of vedic astrology ) more in later sunil nair --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkeralaPredictions vs Softwares"Prashant Kumar G B" <gbp_kumarThursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:12 AM prashanth ji it is high time to stop this drama i downloaded his article and tried it ( on prediction of kid ) his lagna is makar and Jhora givs vrichika The problem is it happened in 94 ( i mean birth of kid ) and i dont think he predicted it and if he lifted a data nothing spl in it as in astrology after a event happened any one can justify it. so how it is establishing his SW( even it is withdrawn now in pretext that customer objucted ,when questions strted pouring on it ,as he smell danger ) more over in his site i found lot of advtmnt is there,is he generating any income frm site saying i am monk ??monk ?? and no need of money ?? another problem he hismself says he dont know how to predict and all events like deaths or this and that abt famous persons is already known to world and any one can justify it also he has same safety of AKK kaul ( he failed with kaul too ) using the cover and secrecy a net offers and any fool can show i am big in net other than in man to man encounters .Only thing u just need time and enough hard skin ans unlimited energy to fight . now almost more than 3 months he is in various forums and did he prooved any thing other than a article on vedic ritaul s ?? so far i never heard any one in this world who is in forums has successful in downloading his SW or successful to operate it and all requests even rain forecasting ( we done lot of reserch on him on his rain forecast and all info abt his claims like NASA and all dont seems to b correct nor he dont put any link where we can see it in his site ) also never meet ,he can proov it by predicting for delhi or chennai or even kerala by giving exact dates of possible rain fall ?? why cant he do it for next one month who says he can predict for billions of yrs with accuracy ,means even if all world gone with a atomic warfare his forecast will b true too .even without any thing in this earth ,even if there is no mountains or forests the problem he is safe by claiming he only knows the secret of surya sidhantha and BPHS ,means even if u download his SW no use as ur methods are diffrnt which u r successful till today ,then how u can rely on some thing which givs exactly contrary ,what abt the teaching given to u by ur gurus ?? which theory u will base tho he claims BPHS based ,where in BPHS says this is the way u make chart other than phala bhaga ?? also Shloka 8 of athagrahaswaroopadhyaya of BPHS says:Yasmin kale yata kheta yanti,drigganittaikatam tatah eva sphuta karyah dikalau cha sphuta vida. here also it says drigganitam shud b used then i dont know do u want to allow some one in ur grps even after 3 months cannot proov nor satisfy any of the scholars ?? is it a scam some thing like Nigerian scam and some thing hidden is there than we see apparently like a iceberg where we can see its tip only ? i dont know and like u requested to me i am not interested in so called fight which i used to do it with any one who take astrology as a cheap trick and takes every body for a ride and come with tall claims ,i never fight with any one for my personal gains ( which i dont need too ) also even Now the so called fight which i am still continuing ( if u call that way ) with AKK is to proov worth of astrology where every one run away frm him ,this includs rath's and rao's too ( AKK publicised it 1000 times that they run away in even their grps too also i hav nothing to loose even if u says i said so .) Now u decide on what to do if u respect astrology as devine sastra ,or ask him to proov or simply keep quiet . rgrds sunil nair i invited him to refute the drigpaksha in AIA ( not just invitied to b a memebr ) ,and i am still daily seeing 1000s of documnts in favor of old parahita ganita - i mean old documts means karana books commntaries in malayalam just now i was reading acharya haridatta ( it is basis of vakya panchanga in tamil ) which every one says become obselete now and new thiru ganita called drigganita ( no where i find his type of surya paksha argumnt ).also u shud think that we use same planetary position for religious purpose and muhurthas ( in calenders and panchangas which even vedas advocates) ,so what does it means r we more valuable than religious festivals ,I or u may die and gone tomorrow not our religion .i still blv the phala bhaga astrology and muhurtha astrology of veda's and its basis same ,even in samhita part too means mundane astro tho principle may b diffrnt as we r seeing regions than humans but i cannot type every thing in too as i am busy with my office job ( it is not astrology ) Now surf faster and smarter ! 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