Message - To the Astologers of Jyotish_Ganga

May 26, 2009

Dear Astrologers,

I have received a suggestion from one of you, not to allow any astrologer to override any one elses reading and read again for any member.

In the past

I have not allowed any astrologer to write a reply to a native, if another astrologer has already done so. This was to allow respect to the Divine subject of Astrology, and also Astrologers. This was something unheard of and unprecedented in other Jyotish groups, but then I respect my astrologers and always want them to stand with their heads held high.

Presently

Any astrologer can reply to any native, even if he has been already replied by another. We do not choose who must answer to whom. The astrologers themselves choose the enquiries they may wish to respond.

Our views

We agree that this creates bad blood and heat when two astrologers may decide to write differently from their own point of views to a member as per what they see and observe in the members chart, which may not all time be common between two astrologers. This may create some heat between members of the same fraternity, which is not what we wish or desire.

Constraints

Previously we did not have many astrologers on board and neither so many enquiries, so it was manageable. But at the moment, we are not into any system whereby we can select or bifurcate queries whereby one replies and the other does not reply to the same. Keeping track of this is not easy as to who has replied to whom and who has not been given a chance to reply. But we are not excluding it from our future plans. And hope to resolve this problem to the satisfaction of the astrologer members, within 3-4 months after which we may institute some module which may seem practical to all.

Looking beyond the present Horizon for Broader ones

We are also presently into a process of evaluation for the next 16-20 weeks whereby we will be looking for quality astrologers and earmarking the same, in the replies given to various members. This is again a part of our future larger plans. Those who would be earmarked would then form a essential component of those plans which we are talking of. We thus need time to observe study, evaluate, bifurcate and single out the hard working knowledgeable astrologers from those who may be less significant in these.

Request

In the meanwhile I request the astrologers to overlook such minor matters, do not build up any competition levels, rather a healthy one be nurtured, so that the best comes out forth from each. If Your replies are worthy enough to be noticed, then they will stand apart from the ones where little or no study is involved. Avoid any heated exchanges, rather look for arguments on astrological pointers which will enrich the readers and also tend to bring out the best in you, ensuing in a learning process for all, in consequence.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

May 26, 2009

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>Dear Bhaskarji

My views on the very pertinent subject are as under.

The various systems of Jyotish makes it amenable to interpretations in different

ways.The sheer vastness of the subject makes it highly probable that an

astrologer may forget to overlook certain aspects. It must be made amply clear

to all seeking astrological guidance that it is not a two plus two equal to four

kind of science.Despite all its very sound principles it still remains an art.

Therefore it is almost a certainty that different astrologers may arrive at

different conclusions particularly on the predictive aspects more often than

not. A patient visiting several specialists even in the same field gets

differing opinions on the nature of his illness and the mode of its treatment.

The astrologer's responsibility is to explain his reasoning behind the

conclusions reached by him in a language as simple as possible to the

person seeking his guidance without using the Jyotish jargon.The acid test of

any analysis in any subject is, it is proven right for the right reasons and and

not by fluke.Any astrologer worth his salt can agree or disagree about the

conclusions of another astrologer as long as he has sound reasons for the same

which he can communicate clearly.

I am sure all genuine astrologers always continue to remain students for their

lifetime as Jyotish is a divine science that cannot ever be mastered in its

totality and he will always want to acknowledge errors

made by him and gratefully acknowledge what he gets to learn from another

astrologer.

So net net in my opinion forum, should allow all approved astrologers to give

their reading. There needs to be only one thing that must be done which is he

should always attach a standard template of the forum that informs the person

seeking the guidance that in case he receives reading from another astrologer in

the forum he is welcome to clarify confusions if any by contacting the

moderator.

I am very pleased to note the constructive changes in the forum and hope it

continues in this vein.

Aum Namo Narayanaya

Saumil Trivedi

>

> Dear Astrologers,

>

> I have received a suggestion from one of you, not to allow any

> astrologer to override any one elses reading and read again for any

> member.

>

> In the past

>

> I have not allowed any astrologer to write a reply to a native, if

> another astrologer has already done so. This was to allow respect to the

> Divine subject of Astrology, and also Astrologers. This was something

> unheard of and unprecedented in other Jyotish groups, but then I respect

> my astrologers and always want them to stand with their heads held high.

>

> Presently

>

> Any astrologer can reply to any native, even if he has been already

> replied by another. We do not choose who must answer to whom. The

> astrologers themselves choose the enquiries they may wish to respond.

>

> Our views

>

> We agree that this creates bad blood and heat when two astrologers may

> decide to write differently from their own point of views to a member as

> per what they see and observe in the members chart, which may not all

> time be common between two astrologers. This may create some heat

> between members of the same fraternity, which is not what we wish or

> desire.

>

> Constraints

>

> Previously we did not have many astrologers on board and neither so many

> enquiries, so it was manageable. But at the moment, we are not into any

> system whereby we can select or bifurcate queries whereby one replies

> and the other does not reply to the same. Keeping track of this is not

> easy as to who has replied to whom and who has not been given a chance

> to reply. But we are not excluding it from our future plans. And hope to

> resolve this problem to the satisfaction of the astrologer members,

> within 3-4 months after which we may institute some module which may

> seem practical to all.

>

> Looking beyond the present Horizon for Broader ones

>

> We are also presently into a process of evaluation for the next 16-20

> weeks whereby we will be looking for quality astrologers and earmarking

> the same, in the replies given to various members. This is again a part

> of our future larger plans. Those who would be earmarked would then

> form a essential component of those plans which we are talking of. We

> thus need time to observe study, evaluate, bifurcate and single out the

> hard working knowledgeable astrologers from those who may be less

> significant in these.

>

> Request

>

> In the meanwhile I request the astrologers to overlook such minor

> matters, do not build up any competition levels, rather a healthy one be

> nurtured, so that the best comes out forth from each. If Your replies

> are worthy enough to be noticed, then they will stand apart from the

> ones where little or no study is involved. Avoid any heated exchanges,

> rather look for arguments on astrological pointers which will enrich the

> readers and also tend to bring out the best in you, ensuing in a

> learning process for all, in consequence.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

May 26, 2009

Dear Saumil ji,

Om Namo Narayanaya.

Thanks for the inputs.

I agree that the subject of Jyotish itself is very vast and every one will have a separate way of approaching the Chart which way, may not necessarily be the same.

I agree that the Astrologer must explain his reasoning in a laymen's language minus the technical astro jargon when he is face to face the querent. On these Groups it is reasonable to expect more than the non-technical terminologies and every answer to a query must have at least few basic logical reasoning's to justify and substantiate what was written, in order not to make it look like a Psychiatrists or Counselors reply. With other astrologers around, it does make sense that they must do this, rather than just giving advices which may come from any non educated person too who may be a glib talker for all one may know. (This is happenning more than often)

You are again so very true when you say that all genuine astrologers will always remain students, for there is no end to learning-knowing further in Jyotish. They must be humble enough to acknowledge and rectify their mistakes and errors when pointed. They must be ever ready and enthusiastic to learn with an open mind.

It is decided for the time being as You suggested , to allow any astrologer to answer the readings here, and as advised, if pointed out and differences in the readings between two of them, there must be some positive argumentive discussions to locate the correct reading after checking the rules applied which the concerned astrologer must testify as having used in his submission as an response to the Query.

It gives me great happiness to know that You are pleased to note the constructive changes in this Group. Your blessings and company is always desirable for us and the Group.

Regards,

Bhaskar.

, "trivedi_saumil" <saumil.trivedi wrote:>> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >Dear Bhaskarji> > My views on the very pertinent subject are as under.> > The various systems of Jyotish makes it amenable to interpretations in different ways.The sheer vastness of the subject makes it highly probable that an astrologer may forget to overlook certain aspects. It must be made amply clear to all seeking astrological guidance that it is not a two plus two equal to four kind of science.Despite all its very sound principles it still remains an art. Therefore it is almost a certainty that different astrologers may arrive at different conclusions particularly on the predictive aspects more often than not. A patient visiting several specialists even in the same field gets differing opinions on the nature of his illness and the mode of its treatment.> > The astrologer's responsibility is to explain his reasoning behind the conclusions reached by him in a language as simple as possible to the> person seeking his guidance without using the Jyotish jargon.The acid test of any analysis in any subject is, it is proven right for the right reasons and and not by fluke.Any astrologer worth his salt can agree or disagree about the conclusions of another astrologer as long as he has sound reasons for the same which he can communicate clearly.> I am sure all genuine astrologers always continue to remain students for their lifetime as Jyotish is a divine science that cannot ever be mastered in its totality and he will always want to acknowledge errors > made by him and gratefully acknowledge what he gets to learn from another astrologer.> > So net net in my opinion forum, should allow all approved astrologers to give their reading. There needs to be only one thing that must be done which is he should always attach a standard template of the forum that informs the person seeking the guidance that in case he receives reading from another astrologer in the forum he is welcome to clarify confusions if any by contacting the moderator.> > I am very pleased to note the constructive changes in the forum and hope it continues in this vein.> > Aum Namo Narayanaya> > Saumil Trivedi> > >

May 26, 2009

Dear All,Just now Sreenadh ji unearthed an old piece of my writing and posted it in AIA. I feel members here might also like to read this short write up for whatever it is worth.

Dealing in Astrology

Neelam Gupta (February 20, 2009)Many of us have been fortunate to learn astrology from a Guru. After the formal learning, books become our guides and we enter the arena by reading charts and practicing. The more we practice, the more we realize that the books are far more rigid than the charts in hand and the people they represent. We feel something is wrong, either with the books or the dictums, or else with the people. This is the time when we stop reading and start watching.

Our ancestors have left us with great tradition and legacy. We are proud to stand on their shoulders as we practice this divine science. But that tradition at times gets clogged and stiff and set in certain ways. We should then try to reach a little further, to redefine the principles yet again, to see them more clearly, more in harmony with the ebb and flow of human experience.

Astrology supplies the terrain. How we navigate it, is our own business. When we interact with a stranger and his birth-chart, together they become our real gurus and rarely fail to teach us something new. People come to us from different professions, different strata and with different problems. Through astrology, we get to see the human common denominators beneath the masks of circumstance.

We get to know that the most universal of those common denominators is the desire. The desire to " make my life better. " And we learn to help people fulfill their desires, to help them grow, to help them answer their own questions in happier ways. Astrology is an absorbing journey into a shadowy borderland, a place where cosmos and consciousness touch: the human psyche.

Balancing human psyche becomes the key. This separates true astrology from other types of sooth-sayings. A fixed lagna can be told to be more accommodating while a cardinal sign can learn to be more fixed on his decisions. Transformations like that become the goal of a real astrologer.

Anyone can learn to use astrology by reading some basic book. It may be like learning a new language. The words are unfamiliar. But the meaning behind them is as universal. It however, makes no sense till tested on the terrain. Real skill comes with experience. Experience with awareness. Astrological knowledge, when applied on the birth charts then becomes life's decoder. It breaks the code. The chaos, the pain, and the seeming randomness of our lives coalesce before our eyes into an orderly system. And once we grasp that system, we spend a lot less time swimming against the tide.

RegardsNeelam

May 26, 2009

Dear Neelamji,

I would request you to please put more of your reports here for the

benefit of the Group, and also request Shri Sunil Nairji and other

astrologer members too, to do the same. It could be good to have a

seperate Folder in the Files Section which could contain folders of each

Astrologer where their writings could be stored for eternity.

regards/Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> Just now Sreenadh ji unearthed an old piece of my writing and posted

it in

> AIA. I feel members here might also like to read this short write up

for

> whatever it is worth.

>

> Dealing in

Astrology<http://astrobytes.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/dealing-in-astrolog\

y/>

>

> *Neelam Gupta (February 20, 2009)***

>

> Many of us have been fortunate to learn astrology from a Guru. After

the

> formal learning, books become our guides and we enter the arena by

reading

> charts and practicing. The more we practice, the more we realize that

the

> books are far more rigid than the charts in hand and the people they

> represent. We feel something is wrong, either with the books or the

dictums,

> or else with the people. This is the time when we stop reading and

start

> watching.

>

> Our ancestors have left us with great tradition and legacy. We are

proud to

> stand on their shoulders as we practice this divine science. But that

> tradition at times gets clogged and stiff and set in certain ways. We

should

> then try to reach a little further, to redefine the principles yet

again, to

> see them more clearly, more in harmony with the ebb and flow of human

> experience.

>

> Astrology supplies the terrain. How we navigate it, is our own

business.

> When we interact with a stranger and his birth-chart, together they

become

> our real gurus and rarely fail to teach us something new. People come

to us

> from different professions, different strata and with different

problems.

> Through astrology, we get to see the human common denominators beneath

the

> masks of circumstance.

>

> We get to know that the most universal of those common denominators is

the

> desire. The desire to " make my life better. " And we learn to help

people

> fulfill their desires, to help them grow, to help them answer their

own

> questions in happier ways. Astrology is an absorbing journey into a

shadowy

> borderland, a place where cosmos and consciousness touch: the human

psyche.

>

> Balancing human psyche becomes the key. This separates true astrology

from

> other types of sooth-sayings. A fixed lagna can be told to be more

> accommodating while a cardinal sign can learn to be more fixed on his

> decisions. Transformations like that become the goal of a real

astrologer.

>

> Anyone can learn to use astrology by reading some basic book. It may

be like

> learning a new language. The words are unfamiliar. But the meaning

behind

> them is as universal. It however, makes no sense till tested on the

terrain.

> Real skill comes with experience. Experience with awareness.

Astrological

> knowledge, when applied on the birth charts then becomes life's

decoder. It

> breaks the code. The chaos, the pain, and the seeming randomness of

our

> lives coalesce before our eyes into an orderly system. And once we

grasp

> that system, we spend a lot less time swimming against the tide.

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

May 26, 2009

Dear Neelamji

It is very important on the part of the astrologer that he does research on each every chart analysed. Each chart is unique & also analysis varies accordingly. It is also very important that one should learn from a authenticated guru who is technically sound and has a vast experience in astrology.

As a beginer any student who learns astrology will not be able to correctly analyse any chart however simple it may be as remembering the functions of each house, ascertaining the rashi & placement of the planet and trying to figure out which problem is related to which house takes time.

Research helps the astrologer in ascertaining the correctness of ones analysis. What u hv mentioned in ur msg, pertains all to research. Books many a times are misleading & this confuses the astro very very much, and relying more on books makes a astro go wrong.

The astro does not give emphasis on research in ascertaining the correctness of the chart. Secondly the astro also restricts ones analysis to what he has learnt. Their are certain yogs like saddi satti, kaala saarpa yog etc, due to the disbelif of the guru or no proper litreture available, the astro fails in analysing the same and this results in lack of proper analysis hence wrong predictions.

HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +919867214103

Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies

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neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009 5:55:16 PMRe: Re: Message - To the Astologers of Jyotish_Ganga

Dear All,

Just now Sreenadh ji unearthed an old piece of my writing and posted it in AIA. I feel members here might also like to read this short write up for whatever it is worth.

Dealing in Astrology

Neelam Gupta (February 20, 2009)

Many of us have been fortunate to learn astrology from a Guru. After the formal learning, books become our guides and we enter the arena by reading charts and practicing. The more we practice, the more we realize that the books are far more rigid than the charts in hand and the people they represent. We feel something is wrong, either with the books or the dictums, or else with the people. This is the time when we stop reading and start watching.

Our ancestors have left us with great tradition and legacy. We are proud to stand on their shoulders as we practice this divine science. But that tradition at times gets clogged and stiff and set in certain ways. We should then try to reach a little further, to redefine the principles yet again, to see them more clearly, more in harmony with the ebb and flow of human experience.

Astrology supplies the terrain. How we navigate it, is our own business. When we interact with a stranger and his birth-chart, together they become our real gurus and rarely fail to teach us something new. People come to us from different professions, different strata and with different problems. Through astrology, we get to see the human common denominators beneath the masks of circumstance.

We get to know that the most universal of those common denominators is the desire. The desire to "make my life better." And we learn to help people fulfill their desires, to help them grow, to help them answer their own questions in happier ways. Astrology is an absorbing journey into a shadowy borderland, a place where cosmos and consciousness touch: the human psyche.

Balancing human psyche becomes the key. This separates true astrology from other types of sooth-sayings. A fixed lagna can be told to be more accommodating while a cardinal sign can learn to be more fixed on his decisions. Transformations like that become the goal of a real astrologer.

Anyone can learn to use astrology by reading some basic book. It may be like learning a new language. The words are unfamiliar. But the meaning behind them is as universal. It however, makes no sense till tested on the terrain. Real skill comes with experience. Experience with awareness. Astrological knowledge, when applied on the birth charts then becomes life's decoder. It breaks the code. The chaos, the pain, and the seeming randomness of our lives coalesce before our eyes into an orderly system. And once we grasp that system, we spend a lot less time swimming against the tide.

Regards

Neelam

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May 26, 2009

respsected bhaskar ji sure ,hope neelam ji will put in grp files and discussion board all her astro write ups i will try to do it frm time to time depending on grp s willing ness to discuss ,uploading articles in grp files i need some help .rgrds sunil nair . , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,> > I would request you to please put more of your reports here for the> benefit of the Group, and also request Shri Sunil Nairji and other> astrologer members too, to do the same. It could be good to have a> seperate Folder in the Files Section which could contain folders of each> Astrologer where their writings could be stored for eternity.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > Just now Sreenadh ji unearthed an old piece of my writing and posted> it in> > AIA. I feel members here might also like to read this short write up> for> > whatever it is worth.> >> > Dealing in> Astrology<http://astrobytes.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/dealing-in-astrolog\> y/>> >> > *Neelam Gupta (February 20, 2009)***> >> > Many of us have been fortunate to learn astrology from a Guru. After> the> > formal learning, books become our guides and we enter the arena by> reading> > charts and practicing. The more we practice, the more we realize that> the> > books are far more rigid than the charts in hand and the people they> > represent. We feel something is wrong, either with the books or the> dictums,> > or else with the people. This is the time when we stop reading and> start> > watching.> >> > Our ancestors have left us with great tradition and legacy. We are> proud to> > stand on their shoulders as we practice this divine science. But that> > tradition at times gets clogged and stiff and set in certain ways. We> should> > then try to reach a little further, to redefine the principles yet> again, to> > see them more clearly, more in harmony with the ebb and flow of human> > experience.> >> > Astrology supplies the terrain. How we navigate it, is our own> business.> > When we interact with a stranger and his birth-chart, together they> become> > our real gurus and rarely fail to teach us something new. People come> to us> > from different professions, different strata and with different> problems.> > Through astrology, we get to see the human common denominators beneath> the> > masks of circumstance.> >> > We get to know that the most universal of those common denominators is> the> > desire. The desire to "make my life better." And we learn to help> people> > fulfill their desires, to help them grow, to help them answer their> own> > questions in happier ways. Astrology is an absorbing journey into a> shadowy> > borderland, a place where cosmos and consciousness touch: the human> psyche.> >> > Balancing human psyche becomes the key. This separates true astrology> from> > other types of sooth-sayings. A fixed lagna can be told to be more> > accommodating while a cardinal sign can learn to be more fixed on his> > decisions. Transformations like that become the goal of a real> astrologer.> >> > Anyone can learn to use astrology by reading some basic book. It may> be like> > learning a new language. The words are unfamiliar. But the meaning> behind> > them is as universal. It however, makes no sense till tested on the> terrain.> > Real skill comes with experience. Experience with awareness.> Astrological> > knowledge, when applied on the birth charts then becomes life's> decoder. It> > breaks the code. The chaos, the pain, and the seeming randomness of> our> > lives coalesce before our eyes into an orderly system. And once we> grasp> > that system, we spend a lot less time swimming against the tide.> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

May 26, 2009

Dear All Moderaters,

Please pardon me if I am getting into the learned men discussion as I donot know

ABCD of astrology but as a common man I will love to have all confusions cleared

when I ask for some astrological guidance and many astrologer giving different

views with explanation will certainly also help different astrologer to look in

that point of exclamation also.

Note-BUT SEE TO IT THAT THE PERSON WHO IS SEEKING GUIDANCE DO NOT GET CONFUSED.

Thanks And Regards.

Sudhanshu Pareek

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, trivedi_saumil <saumil.trivedi wrote:

trivedi_saumil <saumil.trivedi

Re: Message - To the Astologers of Jyotish_Ganga

Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 3:05 PM

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: