FREE WILL ,DESTINY and JYOTISH

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There has been an unending debate about free will and destiny, very much like

solving the riddle of what came first chicken or egg?Hard core rationalist

insists there is nothing like destiny,only free will matters and a hard core

astrologer would swear by his life that everything is destiny.There are no

absolutes in the manifest world.There is only one absolute state of being which

is nirgun,nirakar brahm(ek meva advitiyam), everything else is manifestation of

its potential and therefore is necessarily experienced relative to that

state.The only difference is that the absolute state of being is sat,chit and

anand( isness,pure conciousness and anand which actually means total peace free

of any reverberations(spandan)and hence very naturally not knowing anything(it

does not need to,you can't even call it it). Whereas the manisfest state which

expresses the knowing capacity of the absolute state forgets in its knowing its

totally unknowing absolute state.Having forgotten this it identifies with the

form acquired and lo behold you have the play of duality in full bloom Ahamkara

vs Samsara.

The bewildering magic of the game starts unfolding to the ahamkara as it starts

to EXPERIENCE(because of its knowing capacity) its own form as well as all forms

around it.Remember having forgotten its original non manifest,non dual state it

is a natural outcome that it experiences its existence as distinctly different

from other manifest forms.This magic is MAYA.

The key word to note is EXPERIENCE which gives the manifest form capacity to

LEARN while the manifest form exists.What is it trying to learn? How to achieve

again that state of sat,chit and anand and complete the cycle of non manifest to

manifest and back to non manifest.In this journey the form is always given the

CHOICE to LEARN from its experiences.This CHOICE to LEARN is FREE WILL. Its

learning will determine what kind of form and conditions it will encounter in

the journey ahead. If it refuses to learn it is made to revisit the same

experience again and again until it learns.It is very much like a computer game

that requires the player to become competent enough at

a lower level to be allowed to play the same game at a higher level of

difficulty.The experiences that the form has to revisit for non learning and the

price it has to pay for non learning despite having been given the opportunity

to do so is DESTINY. JYOTISH is the only science that can reconcile the two FREE

WILL and DESTINY.

HOW? Some other time....

AUM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Saumil Trivedi

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Dear Saumil ji,

 

Sorry I could not contact you earlier, as your postings are contained of

deep profound wisdom and wanted to enjoy this in a serene atmosphere

which I usually find at night, before I could reply to you.

 

What you have written as under -

 

// This CHOICE to LEARN is FREE WILL. //

 

is what sums it up in the best understandable language for one and all.

 

Remaining dormant or static, which is stationary is easy, but moving

ahead in face of challenges, uncooperative circumstances around us, and

shifting our priorities and changing our approaches continously to the

conditions which we cannot bring about a change in, is what is Free

will.

 

Those who can do this are using their Fee will, in the best manner

possible, while the others have to come back again for another round.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " trivedi_saumil "

<saumil.trivedi wrote:

>

> There has been an unending debate about free will and destiny, very

much like solving the riddle of what came first chicken or egg?Hard core

rationalist insists there is nothing like destiny,only free will matters

and a hard core astrologer would swear by his life that everything is

destiny.There are no absolutes in the manifest world.There is only one

absolute state of being which is nirgun,nirakar brahm(ek meva

advitiyam), everything else is manifestation of its potential and

therefore is necessarily experienced relative to that state.The only

difference is that the absolute state of being is sat,chit and anand(

isness,pure conciousness and anand which actually means total peace free

of any reverberations(spandan)and hence very naturally not knowing

anything(it does not need to,you can't even call it it). Whereas the

manisfest state which expresses the knowing capacity of the absolute

state forgets in its knowing its totally unknowing absolute state.Having

forgotten this it identifies with the form acquired and lo behold you

have the play of duality in full bloom Ahamkara vs Samsara.

> The bewildering magic of the game starts unfolding to the ahamkara as

it starts to EXPERIENCE(because of its knowing capacity) its own form as

well as all forms around it.Remember having forgotten its original non

manifest,non dual state it is a natural outcome that it experiences its

existence as distinctly different from other manifest forms.This magic

is MAYA.

> The key word to note is EXPERIENCE which gives the manifest form

capacity to LEARN while the manifest form exists.What is it trying to

learn? How to achieve again that state of sat,chit and anand and

complete the cycle of non manifest to manifest and back to non

manifest.In this journey the form is always given the CHOICE to LEARN

from its experiences.This CHOICE to LEARN is FREE WILL. Its learning

will determine what kind of form and conditions it will encounter in the

journey ahead. If it refuses to learn it is made to revisit the same

experience again and again until it learns.It is very much like a

computer game that requires the player to become competent enough at

> a lower level to be allowed to play the same game at a higher level of

difficulty.The experiences that the form has to revisit for non learning

and the price it has to pay for non learning despite having been given

the opportunity to do so is DESTINY. JYOTISH is the only science that

can reconcile the two FREE WILL and DESTINY.

> HOW? Some other time....

> AUM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> Saumil Trivedi

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji, Saumil ji,Sharing some thoughts on this:Our scriptures say, Avashyameva Bhoktaavyam kritam shubha shubham. And this is governed by the Law of Karma. A jeev is born to enjoy or suffer his previous karmas. Since previous karmas cannot be changed, the matter seems to be closed for any further rectification. But the soul also has to progress on the future path for which it must have a free hand to perform certain karmas which are not ordained.

Destiny, the destination of soul as it implies, has been rather loosely dealt with when we are trying to see it with the eyes of Jyotisha. Any happening, big or small, is not destiny per se, but is a stitch in the pattern of life to make it whole. And every stitch is meticulously made by our karmas, of which some are governed by previous karmas and are fixed, we call them dridh karmas, some are adridh karmas which have a limited flexibility and the kriyamaan karmas provide the larger ground of freewill.

Osho, in his discourse ‘Astrology: A Door to Religiousness’ has explained this same principle in his inimitable style. He divides these as core areas, in-between areas and the peripheral issues. Astrology, according to him deals with the essential issues or the core areas. Some excerpts from his discourse which is available at the AIA site:

//////////OSHO says:...So there are three areas of life. In one area, that which is the essential core, everything is predetermined. Knowing this is knowing the essence of astrology. In another area, that which is peripheral, everything is uncertain. To know this is to know the everyday unpredictable world. There is another area which is in the middle. By knowing this, a person can save himself from trying to do the impossible, and can do what is possible. If a person lives in the peripheral and middle areas in such a way that he begins to move towards the center, he will become religious. But if he lives in such a way that he is never able to move towards the center, his life will remain irreligious.

For example, a person is preparing to steal. Stealing is not predetermined; it can’t be claimed that stealing is inevitable or unavoidable, there is complete freedom whether to steal or not. But once stealing has been committed, it is as if one foot has been lifted and the other foot remains on the earth: after doing it, you cannot undo the act. And the total effect of the act of stealing will spread over the personality of the person who did it. But as long as stealing is not done, the other alternative is present and available

The mind of a person swings between yes and no. If he says yes, he will be thrown towards the periphery; if he says no, he will move towards the center. Thus, in the middle, there is a choice. If he makes a wrong choice he is thrown towards the periphery; if he makes a right choice he moves towards the center, towards that part of astrology which is essential in life.

////////////////RegardsNeelam