Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkeralaFw: rahu-ketu aspects a baseless myth Date: Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 9:03 AM--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:Rahu Ketu Aspects - A Baseless Myth Posted by: "litsol" mishra.lalit litsol Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:31 pm (PDT) group,I hve discoverd tht rahu/ketu dont aspect anywhere in a horoscope, how i came to realize and reachd to confirmd conclusion has an interesting side, in Nov 2007, i did study of 'shapt rishi nadi', in this book author j.n. Bhasin proposes rahu aspects at 5,7 nd 9th houses from it's house of placements, like any new reader, enthusiastic one, i welcomed this theory without a thought over, and used to keep arking others like sunil nair, sushil dixit etc. if they also know abt rahu/ketu aspects, they answered tht it's a secret, i ws happy on knowing such a secret, bt , one day when i ws trying to analyze a case given in shapt rishi nadi itself, i found, theory is over stretchd nd secret is a fake sensatiön, i went on doing a tough job of reviewing all the horoscopes listed in tht book, and lo !!, truth was contrary to pleasure of knowing the 'secret', rahu seemd to hve no aspects same way ketu is. I kept analyzing horoscopes in both ways - cönsidering rahu/ketu has aspects to other houses and also without considering their aspects. I found rahu/ketu dont aspect. They impact lord of the sign they r placed nd the planet they conjunct in a house.This discovery became a milestone of my success of correct analysis.Regards,Lalit Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Sunil Ji, Here is my standing challenge to Lalit Ji and all proponents of the theory that Rahu aspect is baseless. If they can show me the following. 1. A chart where Rahu throws 5th or 9th house aspect on its own dispositor. 2. That said dispositor is the 7th lord of the house. And ... this person has a happy married life with no disturbances. Then I will accept this theory. For obvious reasons Rahu's 7th aspect is omitted because proponents of this theory will claim that the planet is on the "Rahu/Ketu Axis". For the record some very talented jyotishis do not believe in Rahu/Ketu aspects and I have great respect for them and their beliefs. But making such statements based on ONE BOOK and analyzing charts in that book and saying things like "this discovery has been the milestone of my correct analysis etc", is ridiculous. Regards, -Manoj Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:33:01 PM Fw: rahu-ketu aspects a baseless myth --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala@ ..co. in> wrote: Rahu Ketu Aspects - A Baseless Myth Posted by: "litsol" mishra.lalit@ gmail.com litsol Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:31 pm (PDT) group,I hve discoverd tht rahu/ketu dont aspect anywhere in a horoscope, how i came to realize and reachd to confirmd conclusion has an interesting side, in Nov 2007, i did study of 'shapt rishi nadi', in this book author j.n. Bhasin proposes rahu aspects at 5,7 nd 9th houses from it's house of placements, like any new reader, enthusiastic one, i welcomed this theory without a thought over, and used to keep arking others like sunil nair, sushil dixit etc. if they also know abt rahu/ketu aspects, they answered tht it's a secret, i ws happy on knowing such a secret, bt , one day when i ws trying to analyze a case given in shapt rishi nadi itself, i found, theory is over stretchd nd secret is a fake sensatiön, i went on doing a tough job of reviewing all the horoscopes listed in tht book, and lo !!, truth was contrary to pleasure of knowing the 'secret', rahu seemd to hve no aspects same way ketu is. I kept analyzing horoscopes in both ways - cönsidering rahu/ketu has aspects to other houses and also without considering their aspects. I found rahu/ketu dont aspect. They impact lord of the sign they r placed nd the planet they conjunct in a house.This discovery became a milestone of my success of correct analysis.Regards,Lalit Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Some people are " naturally born lunatics " ( A term I picked from our own Dear sreeramji ), and it does not behove of us to indulge with these because no plodding of any sense in their perverted brains is going to make them any better or remove their non-sense. Great astros like Shri Bhasin ji, now after they are no more, people like this comedian character are talking that he wrote wrong, and what a discovery this cartoon has made ? You apparently dont know his history otherwise you will not challenge him and give him any mileage by association with you. If required let me know , I will send you sone interesting lines written by him which I had collected and prepared a best seller mail, which I will search for and forward to you. But better not ask for him, you will get shocked what you read about him. I am wondering how a woman could not see the lunacy in this man and opted to marry him just in near past. Does not matter. My good advise to you is keep away from this mad man. regards, Bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > Here is my standing challenge to Lalit Ji and all proponents of the theory that Rahu aspect is baseless. If they can show me the following. > > 1. A chart where Rahu throws 5th or 9th house aspect on its own dispositor. > 2. That said dispositor is the 7th lord of the house. > > And ... this person has a happy married life with no disturbances. > > Then I will accept this theory. > > For obvious reasons Rahu's 7th aspect is omitted because proponents of this theory will claim that the planet is on the " Rahu/Ketu Axis " . > > For the record some very talented jyotishis do not believe in Rahu/Ketu aspects and I have great respect for them and their beliefs. But making such statements based on ONE BOOK and analyzing charts in that book and saying things like " this discovery has been the milestone of my correct analysis etc " , is ridiculous. > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala > > Monday, June 22, 2009 8:33:01 PM > Fw: rahu-ketu aspects a baseless myth > --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > >Rahu Ketu Aspects - A Baseless Myth > >Posted by: " litsol " mishra.lalit@ gmail.com litsol > >Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:31 pm (PDT) > > > > > >group, > > > >I hve discoverd tht rahu/ketu dont aspect anywhere in a horoscope, how i came to realize and reachd to confirmd conclusion has an interesting side, in Nov 2007, i did study of 'shapt rishi nadi', in this book author j.n. Bhasin proposes rahu aspects at 5,7 nd 9th houses from it's house of placements, like any new reader, enthusiastic one, i welcomed this theory without a thought over, and used to keep arking others like sunil nair, sushil dixit etc. if they also know abt rahu/ketu aspects, they answered tht it's a secret, i ws happy on knowing such a secret, bt , one day when i ws trying to analyze a case given in shapt rishi nadi itself, i found, theory is over stretchd nd secret is a fake sensatiön, i went on doing a tough job of reviewing all the horoscopes listed in tht book, and lo !!, truth was contrary to pleasure of knowing the 'secret', rahu seemd to hve no aspects same way ketu is. I kept analyzing horoscopes in both ways - cönsidering > rahu/ketu has aspects to other houses and also without considering their aspects. > > > >I found rahu/ketu dont aspect. They impact lord of the sign they r placed nd the planet they conjunct in a house. > > > >This discovery became a milestone of my success of correct analysis. > > > >Regards, > >Lalit > > > > > > ________________________________ > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > __._,_..___ > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Database > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > Recent Activity > * 21 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Give Back > for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Manoj ji ,sreeam ji and bhaskar ji Ha ha ,thanks for ur mails Bhaskar ji and sreeram ji knows this person since day one he took avatar ( incarnated ) in net grps Manoj ji may b hearing it for first time ,so my request to manoj ji is challenge the ppl who r atleast equal calibre with u in some way ,who deserve for a challenege frm u ,who has prooved their worth ,No one will take a bulldozer to kill an ant some one forwarded me this mail and i forwarded it to grp thinking let grp discuss and arrive at their own conclusions He is one who entered into for getting free predictions by aquainting with astrologers by familirising by praising them or writing some fan mails in grps it ,That was his first strategy ,and then strted some fights with some astrologers ( because they asked money for giving out predictions 24x7 basis and according to him it is great sin ) and within 3 months we find him as a astrologer himself and started to giv out predictions in his own self created grp and another raman ayanamsa astrologers grp ( he is CEO of a grp ) .That time i wrote to that raman astrologer that pls stop this man frm spoiling others future .when ever i warns him ,he is asking me to write more mails in grp contradicting the person ,dissect the mails of other person and cut the other man short etc ,why i shud do it ?? why cant a grp moderator himself do his duty ?? Later i got reason for such strnge behaviour , they r all afraid realy of being exposed of themselvs ,of their own incompetence hence supports maximum half baked astrologers and theoriests ,and was making sure to hav always some body one their side .being a moderator of a astro group with a real purpose i hav treated realy harshly on many persons when ever they try to coin new theories as if it is their invention or secret frm their parampara or in what ever names .SO i generaly ask them to proov themself b4 proceeding further in grp carefree .So what will happen is they will b invited by other so called grp owners and moderators and will b givn assylum In the name giving space ,peaceful atmosphere without fear ,modesty ,platform for budding astrologers ,and even in the name of devinity of astrology and what not i dont know all this is a cover to hide own intellectual bankrupcy ,Now i find all this mega failures and crooks made a joint union in many astro grps and trying to create some fan clubs .Like our south indian fan assossaitions of movie stars .When ever some mail appears and if they find it is some new one ,they r doubt ful abt the person then follows him by shouting u r so and so in some fake id ( reason may b that person questioned some reading ) or u r so and so s grp memebr etc ( all this i am writing here is to show u the condition ,behaviour ,attitude,quality and politics of most of astrological grps and even the grps discussing gardening or any other thing other than astrology has decent crowd always ) any way coming back to chore point is rahu -ketu aspect is a myth ? i find various ways many texts deals this .It depends on system of astrology ,even some uses sign ownership for this Thamograhas and even assign ucha and neecha rasies ,some uses as if they mimic rasi dispositor , nakshtra point ,and the planets aspecting them .like this i find various various approach in delinating results of this planets which a mathematical concept of sidhanthic astrology . Now abt aspects ,or did they can influence the other planets or houses ,so i am taking aspects ( drishties ) and other influences we take in astrology to explain a concept .1) In vedic astrology we consider them as Grahas ( means which can control u ) not as planets ( simple Golas ) ,means we dont use them the way we use in physical astronomy .(Sure rahu ketu is termed as Tamo grahas means inviscible or planet without mass etc) .Otherwise we wud hav taken all billions of planets and stars in Horizon in vedic astrology and we can see we r taking only the planets which is called as Grahas .2) we also take some mathematical points as Upagrahas like gulika ,mandi etc 3) there is another section called tertiary planets like dhooma ,upaketu ,indra chapa etc 4) we hav diffrnt bindus we also calculates depending on the system we use ,Again which can b triigered at some transits or even spl dasa time (along with 2 luminaries and 5 tara grhas In navagraha 12 rasi scheme which is the foundation of vedic astrology )5) we use Lagnadi bhavas as areas of influence and without them all the abov said things has no value in predictiv vedic astrology .means even they can affect one .6) even the concept zodiac is mathematicaly considered influcence of universe( tho we use only the ecliptical path of sun in it ) and sun s path in accordance with earth as centre 7) even famous mantra of rahu says "chandraditya vimardhanam ' ,means who can torture even the sun and moon who is king and queen of solar system ,sun is Kala atma and Moon is Mana of kala (Kala means time factor too hence can control quality of time one born ) 8) in vedic astrology generaly rahu ketu considered as karmic planets or which can reveal the karmic result of a person which he acuquired frm previous livs .9 ) in Most of Nadies they r taking Rahu and ketu as most powerful planets than all other Navagrahas which can make or break chart of a person 10) in Traditional astrology we take Guru as most benefic planet and we considers his aspect as most beneficial generaly which can cancell one lac dosha s ( tho highly strtched statemnt ) but when guru is with rahu then why we call it as guru chandala yoga ,why ?? means rahu can even spoil the Guru and all his atributes ( even if guru sits in said houses where rahu aspect can b fall ) But we approach the chart in diffrnt ways depending on total infleunce in chart 10 ) in other systems like Jaimini even considers the rasies also aspect each other .Even In parashari ( common name for all jyothisha sidhanthas cordinated b4 varhamihira period ) they use all grahs has full aspects and partial aspects Tho commonly we use only main aspects ascribed to each grahas .So this idea or logic --of since they r planets without mass or eyes or shape and hence cannot influence other planets and signs in a rasi chart is a highly errorness concept .I always find him this lalit mishra is always depending on some unworthy roadside books and then declares some thing as if his own invention .( i am not talking abt Mr Basin ji's books tho i dont hav any of his books hence dont know his calibre ) So in short we can see again lot of declarations like this frm the so called Lunatic , half baked self styled ,fake spiritualist ,guru dweshi Astrologer .Even u can see another 100s of versions as he dont know realy what is basics .before few months he was acting as if a person with sidhies and spiritual visions .He suddenly saw in his vision that china will fail miserably in last olymic ,all their players will loose muscle power .( may b he has 100s of such sudden prophecies in his sleeve and no body shud ask astrological reasons as it is coming frm most realised illuminated soul ) and he was even certified as man with potentiality raise whole universe to godlyness by another astrologer cum guru cum pooja specialist who has maximum numbr of failed prediction in net grps ( sure finaly we hav to answer for his failures to ppl like AKK kaul and his gang as they uses this as golden example for fakeness of astrology ) even many of our own memebrs has fall for utterrance of this lunatic and rushed to hav his amrit vani and darshan ( as even by one look he can ward off any dosha in ur chart esp of rahu ) in his grp and in person and later they hav got their share of kicks and abuses .may b bhaskar ji can explain u all those incidents with his beutiful language But i dont want to spoil the devine atmosphere of grp telling his stories more in grp rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Ji,> > Here is my standing challenge to Lalit Ji and all proponents of the theory that Rahu aspect is baseless. If they can show me the following.> > 1. A chart where Rahu throws 5th or 9th house aspect on its own dispositor.> 2. That said dispositor is the 7th lord of the house.> > And ... this person has a happy married life with no disturbances. > > Then I will accept this theory.> > For obvious reasons Rahu's 7th aspect is omitted because proponents of this theory will claim that the planet is on the "Rahu/Ketu Axis".> > For the record some very talented jyotishis do not believe in Rahu/Ketu aspects and I have great respect for them and their beliefs. But making such statements based on ONE BOOK and analyzing charts in that book and saying things like "this discovery has been the milestone of my correct analysis etc", is ridiculous.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> Sunil Nair astro_tellerkerala > Monday, June 22, 2009 8:33:01 PM> Fw: rahu-ketu aspects a baseless myth> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > >> >> >Rahu Ketu Aspects - A Baseless Myth > >Posted by: "litsol" mishra.lalit@ gmail.com litsol > >Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:31 pm (PDT) > >> >> >group,> >> >I hve discoverd tht rahu/ketu dont aspect anywhere in a horoscope, how i came to realize and reachd to confirmd conclusion has an interesting side, in Nov 2007, i did study of 'shapt rishi nadi', in this book author j.n. Bhasin proposes rahu aspects at 5,7 nd 9th houses from it's house of placements, like any new reader, enthusiastic one, i welcomed this theory without a thought over, and used to keep arking others like sunil nair, sushil dixit etc. if they also know abt rahu/ketu aspects, they answered tht it's a secret, i ws happy on knowing such a secret, bt , one day when i ws trying to analyze a case given in shapt rishi nadi itself, i found, theory is over stretchd nd secret is a fake sensatiön, i went on doing a tough job of reviewing all the horoscopes listed in tht book, and lo !!, truth was contrary to pleasure of knowing the 'secret', rahu seemd to hve no aspects same way ketu is. I kept analyzing horoscopes in both ways - cönsidering> rahu/ketu has aspects to other houses and also without considering their aspects. > >> >I found rahu/ketu dont aspect. They impact lord of the sign they r placed nd the planet they conjunct in a house.> >> >This discovery became a milestone of my success of correct analysis.> >> >Regards,> >Lalit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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