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>>>" All Riots are Politically Motivated" and if supposedly educated people like us cannot resist the temptation of proving a point when we talk of riots then how can a common person do so.....>>>

 

Incorrect. Indeed some riots are politically motivated and instigated.

But, most of the riots are Communal esp. between Muslims and Hindu-s, the ruling and dominating Muslim as a Community unable to forget their prowess in yesteryears esp. during Muslim rule. Even Abdul kalam Azad had expressed that India would be ruled by Muslims as legitimate rulers before British came, to be restored to them!!

 

Taking only riots in Godhra, read the history of Communal riots:

 

History of Muslim Terrorism in Godhra from 1927 to 2002

 

Godhra is main centre of Panchmahal District, which is considered to be communally very sensitive. Details of communal riots/atrocities by Muslims are appended below.

 

1927-28:Murder of Shri P. M. Shah, a leading local representative of Hindus.

 

1945- Mr. Sadva Hazi & Mr. Chudighar, pro Pakistani Muslim leaders were responsible for attack on a Parsi Solapuri fozdar during communal riots. After partition, Mr.Chudighar left for Pakistan.

 

1948 Mr. Sadva Hazi conspired an attack on District collector Shri Pimputkar in, 1948 but his bodyguard saved him at the cost of his own life. After that Mr. Sadva Hazi also left for Pakistan in 1948.

 

24-3-48 one Hindu was stabbed to death near a mosque in Jahurpur area. Around 2000 houses of Hindus were burnt besides Hindu Temples. District collector Shri Pimputtkar could save the remaining areas belonging to Hindus by imposing curfew, which lasted for six months.

 

1965: Shops belonging to Hindus were set ablaze near Police Chowki - No. 7 by throwing incendiary material from near-by two Muslim Houses viz. Bidani & Bhopa. It could be possible because of Congress MLA belonging to minority. PSI of this Police Chowki which was near by Railway Station was also attacked by Muslim anti-social elements.

1980: A similar attack was made on Hindus on

29-10-80, which started from the Bus Station of Godhra. This attack was planned by Muslim miscreants; who were involved in anti social activities near Station Road area.

 

P.S.I. Shri Sharma was attacked with naked sword on the Railway Station in 1980 by Aminabibi and her sons, who were operating gambling clubs in Godhra. Mr. Jaspalsingh, the then Police Commissioner of Vadodara was also attacked with knife on the Railway Platform by antisocial elements operating Tea Stall on platform.

 

Five Hindus including two children of 5 and 7 year age were burnt alive. A Gurudwara was also set on fire, in Shikari Chal of this area. Forty shops belonging to Hindus were also set on fire in station area. Due to these communal riots, Godhra was put under curfew for a year, which severely affected the Business and Industries.

 

1990: Four Hindu Teachers were murdered by Muslim miscreants in Saifia Madresa in Vhorvada area of Godhra on 20-11-’90. One Hindu Tailor was also stabbed to death in this area. All this was done by Muslim antisocial elements at the instance of the congress MLA of the area.

 

1992: More than 100 houses belonging to Hindus were set on fire near Railway Station in the year 1992 to snatch this area from Hindus. All this was done by Muslim terrorists. This area, even now lies vacant as most of the Hindu families have shifted elsewhere.

 

2002: Three bogies of Ahmedabad bound Sabarmati express were set on fire on 27-02-02 by Muslim miscreants. Municipal members, railway officers & employees belonging to minority community, tea stall owners, auto rickshaw drivers and Muslim antisocial elements residing nearby, had a plan to set on fire the entire train but could not do so because the train was late for four hours and they could not take the advantage of darkness of night. Following are the points for serious consideration in this incident.

 

This train was attacked near an open land belonging to Mr. Sikandar Pathan wherefrom weapons were also seized.

 

These antisocial Muslim elements have also attacked and injured ticket checkers about two months back. P.S.I. arrested them but the Railway Police Officer who is a Muslim, got them released. However, after a strong protest they were rearrested. This had resulted in fear of their life in Railway employees.

 

After this brutal attack on the train, no effective rescue efforts were taken by Railway Police Officers for quite long time. Out of 30 Railway Security guards present on station, only 3 with sticks, had gone to the place of attack. It is now to be considered why they had helped this way in a pre-planned attack.

 

The man behind this Muslim terrorism is Pakistani Citizen Mr. Mohammed Badanga who migrated from Pakistan in 1965. He was granted Indian Citizenship at the behest of Mr. Piloo Modi the then M. P.. Mr. Badanga had promoted the ISI sponsored Terrorism which resulted in attack on the Sabarmati Express on 27-02-2002.

 

This clearly goes to establish that the Hindu Psyche had reached its flash point because of the history of atrocities; hence the spontaneous reaction as witnessed by Gujarat. This could certainly not be attributed to organised-planned-efforts of any Hindu Organisation Hue & cry over Islam: Reason & justification- Ramesh Menon, journalist......

 

In Ahmedabad, all Communal riots were started by stabbing of innocents by Muslims when Hindu-s walk by the roads populated by Muslims and during the riots, horse-riding Muslims beheaded Hindu-s who were found anywhere till 1969.

 

The turning point was in 1969, when the Muslims attacked a Hindu temple procession and entered Jagannath temple and assaulted the piest, breaking the glass doors and windows..etc. The riots which lasted over a week of unrestrained killings under Hitendra Desai, Congress CM, was a blow to Muslims as many Sindhi and Punjabi refugees at partition fought with vengence to kill Muslims, having lost their kith and kin during partition riots in Pakistan.

 

George, Politically motivated riots are a few and do not cause damages as emotional and retaliatory mobs in killing spree

 

 

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, arundhuti_dg <arundhuti_dg wrote:

arundhuti_dg <arundhuti_dgRe: Re: You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus,pleaseignore) Cc: "HT BDG Voda" <arundhuti_dgWednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:58 PM

Simplistic. Factually incorrect. True some riots are engineered, pre planned, for ulterior motives by rabble rousers / demagouges. But some other riots are spontaneous. Vested interests may exploit such instances for murky ends. Generally any mob is initally passive but becomes provoked to an extent where anger vents itself in mindless violence. Godhra happened. Aftermath of Godhra also happened. Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

 

 

Tim Jorge Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:56:22 +0530 (IST)<>Re: Re: You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus, please ignore)

 

 

No common man/women has the power to start riots unless and until it has some POLITICALLY Motivated agenda , See the history of any riots in human history .....or if u do not want to go that far see the history of independent India , All riots in this entire years of independence have a Political Angle to it. This is a Rule without exception (this can be taken as a challenge also , in a healthy way )So the moral of the story is " All Riots are Politically Motivated" and if supposedly educated people like us cannot resist the temptation of proving a point when we talk of riots then how can a common person do so.....BTW Gujarat is not the only riots that have happened in the history of independent India , It is just that they happened when media revolution was on in India and 'Secularist' were there searching for a defination for

themself , But having said that every loss of human life posses a bigger question on calling ourselves civilized . Sorry to give up to the tempatation of Secularist bashing

 

 

 

 

 

, Prassana Kamalakar<prassana.kamalakar wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,>> I do respect u a lot as an Astrologer and a good human being. But atthe same time I strongly condemn your reference to local mumbaikars(Marathi) as local lukhas. It is really sad that few political partiesare playing Marathi card for their benefits and creating insecurityamong the non-Marathis. But the learned people like u should refrainfrom spreading this venom. We already have many disputes among thedifferent states in India (e.g. TN vs Karnataka over Cauvery river,Maharashtra vs Kanrataka over Belgaon and so on).. The hatred will createmore disputes and partitions.> Let us hope that all

Marathis and non-Marathis will understand thepolitical conspiracies of few selfish politicians and they act/voteagainst them.> Whatever had happened in Gujarat in and after Godhra was extremely sadand we should congratulate to media to some extent for focusing on theriots. What do we expect from media? Did we want Gujarat to be anotherRawanda. In 1994 the Hutu community of Rwanda bruitally killed 800,000Tutsis in 100 days. Why? because there was no active media, no UnitedNations (UN) to focus it and bring it to the world to stop it.(http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rwandan_Genocide)> Please watch the movie 'Hotel Rwanda' (a true story) to see how a Hutuhotel manager saved the life of 800 Tutsis.> Hatred is going to lead us nowhere but to the darkness.>> Sir, I don't mean to disrespect u or any of our

group members (whetherGujarati, UP, Keral etc).. But we should not blame all the Marathipeople for the injustice done by few politicians.>> Regards,> Prassana>>>>____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:52:09 AM> Re: You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus,please ignore)>>>> Dear Kumar ji,>> Yes I agree 100% to Your views. If ever asked tio choose a state, it> would be either Gujarat or rajasthan for me. No other. If ever askedto> choose a place for setting up industry , it would be Gujarat for me..No> other

choice. If asked tos end my family without my company to anycity> or state, it would be Gujarat without fail. Ifa sked whom you respect> among Poilticians, it would be Narendra Mody for me without doubt.>> Bombay is Bombay only because of these Gujaratis, Marwaris, Parsis,> Catholics and Sindhis and not because of the local lukhas (Whose> ancestors were good, but not the present generation).>> regards/Bhaskar.>> , S kumar <kumar_8134@ ...>wrote:> >> > A beautifully made synopsis of Gujarati-s, perhaps the most peaceful> Community but for the Communal riots when they turn furious in a mob.> > But Mumbai has a multitude of Gujarati-s celebrating all thefestivals> and typical shops for sweets and pan!!> > Â> > In Ahmedabad, perhaps the only City where girls

could move> unmolested even at dead of night, alone. If needed they turn agressive> too as in a case where a girl regularly tailed by a boy, showed her> Karate hits and floored him in full view of public at Nehru Bridge> Corner!!> > Â> > All said and done, Gujarat is a beautiful place to live withbeautiful> roads and plenty of water and 24 hours uninterrupted power and an ever> vigilant Govt.. and CM responsive to the grievances first hand.ÂÂ> >> > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > You Must Be a Gujju If.... (Non-Gujjus,please> ignore)> > > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:34 PM> >> >> > Â> >>

>> >> >> > (Please enjoy this with no offence to anyone intended)> > You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus, please ignore)> > - You have at least 1 relative in the stock market.> > Â> > - You're never worried about what happens if you get stranded in> >  Ghatkopar. All you'd have to do, you know, is walk across the> road and  find a relative. (Still easier, just shout,"Mama!> Masi! Faiba! Kaka!"  a couple of times. At least one isbound to> be around.)> > Â> > - You don't worry about being stranded in New Jersey. You've been> told  by everyone that the thing to do at such a time isto open> the  telephone directory, turn to "Shah" and call any number for> help.> > Â> > - You measure the success of a wedding by how many people

praisedthe> food.> > Â> > - You believe Narendra Modi is the solution to everything. From> your  hair to the nation's defence .> > Â> > - You understand that when someone says "Dhirajbhai no babo" or> >  "Maniben ni baby", the "baba" and "baby" in question could be40> years  old.> > Â> > - You either think the garba is the coolest thing ever, or you> wonder  why the whole world makes such a big deal out ofit.> > Â> > - No packing for any trip is complete without thepla.> > Â> > - Winter = undhiyu.> > Â> > - Summer = keri no ras.> > Â> > - Monsoon = have su karvanoo?! kai na sujhe to bhajiya sutarwana ...> > Â> > - You assume (in marital situations) that because Mara bhai na>

vevai  ni dikri na sasu gave a recommendation, the personin> question is  virtue personified.> > Â> > - You have no problems with love marriages. You just view them as> a  last resort, that's it.> > Â> > - You may not donate anything to the orphanage down the road, but> when  there's a calamity in Gujarat, you send truckloadsof> money, food and  amenities.> > Â> > - You feel a slight sense of pride in Ketan Parekh, no matter how> much  you hide it.> > Â> > - You think the G-U-J-J-U sequence in Kal Ho Na Ho was rather cool,> actually.> > Â> > - You're so attuned to smiling and laughing for no reason at any> given  social occasions, that funerals become odd for you.> (Non-Gujju  funerals, that

is. At Gujju funerals, everyonehas> the same problem, so they understand.)> > Â> > - You know what "doodh cold drink" (pronounced doodh coal dreenk)is.> > Â> > - Sunday mornings = Gathiya and jalebi.> > Â> > - if you go on a picnic, everyone brings atleast 10 foods each,which>  is bound to include dhokla, kachori, chewro, thepla, mathia,fafda> and  maybe 3-4 different athanas and fried greenchillies...> > Â> > - all the ladies compare their cell phones - Nakhia, Erecshun,> >  Mottoloro, and Semen> > Â> > - after a heavy picnic lunch, all the men say, "chalo rand (round)> >  maarine aavye"> > Â> > Â> > -- SU VAAT CHE!!> >>

 

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Simplistic. Factually incorrect. True some riots are engineered, pre planned, for ulterior motives by rabble rousers / demagouges. But some other riots are spontaneous. Vested interests may exploit such instances for murky ends. Generally any mob is initally passive but becomes provoked to an extent where anger vents itself in mindless violence. Godhra happened. Aftermath of Godhra also happened. Bhaskar DG Sent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneTim Jorge Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:56:22 +0530 (IST)Re: Re: You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus,please ignore) No common man/women has the power to start riots unless and until it has some POLITICALLY Motivated agenda , See the history of any riots in human history .....or if u do not want to go that far see the history of independent India , All riots in this entire years of independence have a Political Angle to it. This is a Rule without exception (this can be taken as a challenge also , in a healthy way )So the moral of the story is " All Riots are Politically Motivated" and if supposedly educated people like us cannot resist the temptation of proving a point when we talk of riots then how can a common person do so.....BTW Gujarat is not the only riots that have happened in the history of independent India , It is just that they happened when media revolution was on in India and 'Secularist' were there searching for a defination for themself , But having said that every loss of human life posses a bigger question on calling ourselves civilized . Sorry to give up to the tempatation of Secularist bashing , Prassana Kamalakar <prassana.kamalakar wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I do respect u a lot as an Astrologer and a good human being. But at the same time I strongly condemn your reference to local mumbaikars (Marathi) as local lukhas. It is really sad that few political parties are playing Marathi card for their benefits and creating insecurity among the non-Marathis. But the learned people like u should refrain from spreading this venom. We already have many disputes among the different states in India (e.g. TN vs Karnataka over Cauvery river, Maharashtra vs Kanrataka over Belgaon and so on).. The hatred will create more disputes and partitions. > Let us hope that all Marathis and non-Marathis will understand the political conspiracies of few selfish politicians and they act/vote against them. > Whatever had happened in Gujarat in and after Godhra was extremely sad and we should congratulate to media to some extent for focusing on the riots. What do we expect from media? Did we want Gujarat to be another Rawanda. In 1994 the Hutu community of Rwanda bruitally killed 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days. Why? because there was no active media, no United Nations (UN) to focus it and bring it to the world to stop it. (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rwandan_Genocide) > Please watch the movie 'Hotel Rwanda' (a true story) to see how a Hutu hotel manager saved the life of 800 Tutsis. > Hatred is going to lead us nowhere but to the darkness. > > Sir, I don't mean to disrespect u or any of our group members (whether Gujarati, UP, Keral etc).. But we should not blame all the Marathi people for the injustice done by few politicians. > > Regards, > Prassana > > > >________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:52:09 AM > Re: You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus, please ignore) > > > > Dear Kumar ji, > > Yes I agree 100% to Your views. If ever asked tio choose a state, it > would be either Gujarat or rajasthan for me. No other. If ever asked to > choose a place for setting up industry , it would be Gujarat for me.. No > other choice. If asked tos end my family without my company to any city > or state, it would be Gujarat without fail. Ifa sked whom you respect > among Poilticians, it would be Narendra Mody for me without doubt. > > Bombay is Bombay only because of these Gujaratis, Marwaris, Parsis, > Catholics and Sindhis and not because of the local lukhas (Whose > ancestors were good, but not the present generation). > > regards/Bhaskar. > > , S kumar <kumar_8134@ ...> wrote: > > > > A beautifully made synopsis of Gujarati-s, perhaps the most peaceful > Community but for the Communal riots when they turn furious in a mob. > > But Mumbai has a multitude of Gujarati-s celebrating all the festivals > and typical shops for sweets and pan!! > >  > > In Ahmedabad, perhaps the only City where girls could move > unmolested even at dead of night, alone. If needed they turn agressive > too as in a case where a girl regularly tailed by a boy, showed her > Karate hits and floored him in full view of public at Nehru Bridge > Corner!! > >  > > All said and done, Gujarat is a beautiful place to live with beautiful > roads and plenty of water and 24 hours uninterrupted power and an ever > vigilant Govt.. and CM responsive to the grievances first hand.  > > > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > You Must Be a Gujju If.... (Non-Gujjus, please > ignore) > > > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:34 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > (Please enjoy this with no offence to anyone intended) > > You Must Be a Gujju If... (Non-Gujjus, please ignore) > > - You have at least 1 relative in the stock market. > >  > > - You're never worried about what happens if you get stranded in > >  Ghatkopar. All you'd have to do, you know, is walk across the > road and  find a relative. (Still easier, just shout, "Mama! > Masi! Faiba! Kaka!"  a couple of times. At least one is bound to > be around.) > >  > > - You don't worry about being stranded in New Jersey. You've been > told  by everyone that the thing to do at such a time is to open > the  telephone directory, turn to "Shah" and call any number for > help. > >  > > - You measure the success of a wedding by how many people praised the > food. > >  > > - You believe Narendra Modi is the solution to everything. From > your  hair to the nation's defence . > >  > > - You understand that when someone says "Dhirajbhai no babo" or > >  "Maniben ni baby", the "baba" and "baby" in question could be 40 > years  old. > >  > > - You either think the garba is the coolest thing ever, or you > wonder  why the whole world makes such a big deal out of it. > >  > > - No packing for any trip is complete without thepla. > >  > > - Winter = undhiyu. > >  > > - Summer = keri no ras. > >  > > - Monsoon = have su karvanoo?! kai na sujhe to bhajiya sutarwana ... > >  > > - You assume (in marital situations) that because Mara bhai na > vevai  ni dikri na sasu gave a recommendation, the person in > question is  virtue personified. > >  > > - You have no problems with love marriages. You just view them as > a  last resort, that's it. > >  > > - You may not donate anything to the orphanage down the road, but > when  there's a calamity in Gujarat, you send truckloads of > money, food and  amenities. > >  > > - You feel a slight sense of pride in Ketan Parekh, no matter how > much  you hide it. > >  > > - You think the G-U-J-J-U sequence in Kal Ho Na Ho was rather cool, > actually. > >  > > - You're so attuned to smiling and laughing for no reason at any > given  social occasions, that funerals become odd for you. > (Non-Gujju  funerals, that is. At Gujju funerals, everyone has > the same problem, so they understand.) > >  > > - You know what "doodh cold drink" (pronounced doodh coal dreenk) is. > >  > > - Sunday mornings = Gathiya and jalebi. > >  > > - if you go on a picnic, everyone brings atleast 10 foods each, which >  is bound to include dhokla, kachori, chewro, thepla, mathia, fafda > and  maybe 3-4 different athanas and fried green chillies... > >  > > - all the ladies compare their cell phones - Nakhia, Erecshun, > >  Mottoloro, and Semen > >  > > - after a heavy picnic lunch, all the men say, "chalo rand (round) > >  maarine aavye" > >  > >  > > -- SU VAAT CHE!! > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8.